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Posted by fd343ny on 10/18/2017 1:45:00 PM (view original):
HD has relied on time to "fix" transition issues and the aftereffects of cheating.
Hopefully new ownership doesn't see this as effective or satisfactory.
10/18/2017 2:11 PM
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Posted by topdogggbm on 10/18/2017 1:33:00 PM (view original):
Who was it?
Here's the list of Michigan Mr Basketball results

I'm not finding which one chose Grand Valley St.
10/18/2017 2:11 PM
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Posted by topdogggbm on 10/18/2017 1:33:00 PM (view original):
Who was it?
Honestly don't remember his name, this was in 2005 I graduated High school in 2007 so it was a long time ago. I just remember the situation clear as day as I was shocked.
10/18/2017 2:11 PM
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Posted by possumfiend on 10/18/2017 12:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Trentonjoe on 10/18/2017 10:59:00 AM (view original):
Posted by texrangers19 on 10/18/2017 7:48:00 AM (view original):
All realism goes out the door when it takes a intelligent player 4 years to completely learn an offense and defense. People need to get over the irl crap. This is a game.
If you think of IQ as C being proficient and A being excellent is makes more sense. Kids understand the offense by December of the their FR year but don't know the real ins ands outs to their JR. year.
I get that with offensive systems, but defensively I think it’s a little suspect. IRL teams frequently switch back and forth between man and zone with greater degrees of effectiveness depending on how the opponent adjusts their offensive game plan.

But it doesn’t take three years for guys to “understand” how to play zone defense. Good defense typically comes down to a player’s athleticism, speed, fatigue and desire to play it.
But think about John Chaney's matchup zone, those guys played zone way better than Seton Halls "we worked on zone this week" defense.
10/18/2017 2:30 PM
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Posted by Trentonjoe on 10/18/2017 2:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by possumfiend on 10/18/2017 12:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Trentonjoe on 10/18/2017 10:59:00 AM (view original):
Posted by texrangers19 on 10/18/2017 7:48:00 AM (view original):
All realism goes out the door when it takes a intelligent player 4 years to completely learn an offense and defense. People need to get over the irl crap. This is a game.
If you think of IQ as C being proficient and A being excellent is makes more sense. Kids understand the offense by December of the their FR year but don't know the real ins ands outs to their JR. year.
I get that with offensive systems, but defensively I think it’s a little suspect. IRL teams frequently switch back and forth between man and zone with greater degrees of effectiveness depending on how the opponent adjusts their offensive game plan.

But it doesn’t take three years for guys to “understand” how to play zone defense. Good defense typically comes down to a player’s athleticism, speed, fatigue and desire to play it.
But think about John Chaney's matchup zone, those guys played zone way better than Seton Halls "we worked on zone this week" defense.
Or Cuse's 2-3 zone they run almost exclusively...

Although... when they beat Virginia in the Elite 8 a couple years ago it was because they turned on the press and went on a huge run.
10/18/2017 2:35 PM
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That's because Virginia use like 6 players that year and their setting were at "getting tired" . Fatigue spiral.
10/18/2017 2:57 PM (edited)
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Yeah but they always play slowdown and have tempo adjust set to never.
10/18/2017 2:55 PM
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Posted by Trentonjoe on 10/18/2017 2:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by possumfiend on 10/18/2017 12:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Trentonjoe on 10/18/2017 10:59:00 AM (view original):
Posted by texrangers19 on 10/18/2017 7:48:00 AM (view original):
All realism goes out the door when it takes a intelligent player 4 years to completely learn an offense and defense. People need to get over the irl crap. This is a game.
If you think of IQ as C being proficient and A being excellent is makes more sense. Kids understand the offense by December of the their FR year but don't know the real ins ands outs to their JR. year.
I get that with offensive systems, but defensively I think it’s a little suspect. IRL teams frequently switch back and forth between man and zone with greater degrees of effectiveness depending on how the opponent adjusts their offensive game plan.

But it doesn’t take three years for guys to “understand” how to play zone defense. Good defense typically comes down to a player’s athleticism, speed, fatigue and desire to play it.
But think about John Chaney's matchup zone, those guys played zone way better than Seton Halls "we worked on zone this week" defense.
Point taken that there are teams that play better defensively than others and practice certainly helps foster a commitment to a defensive mind set ... However, If a coach doesn’t make defense a priority, his players won’t either. In general, I think if you have a guy who plays sound, fundamental, defense, and the coach stresses the importance of defense, I think he can pretty easily adapt to playing either man or zone without some corresponding drop off from “A” to “C” or “D” or “F”. I don’t think that’s always true of running an offensive system.
10/18/2017 3:38 PM
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I don't have salaries listed for any of my players - no $ allocation or anything, so yeah...not realistic.
10/18/2017 4:09 PM
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Not realistic because I'm a stats nerd who hasn't played on a bball team for one single game. But stats... so I can be a good coach.

Not realistic because I have no ability to make in-game changes when one of my players is too busy thinking about his girlfriend.

Not realistic because there isn't a human element to my team chemistry, for my wicked slick skills of halftime pep-talks.

I followed a BYU college bball team closely a few years back. They had incredible starting talent and made a deep NIT run. But they were better than that. Their big 3 studs clearly didn't like each other and the team chemistry was off all season. Did the coach do anything to fix the problem? Not sure... one of the dudes transferred away at the end of the season, so, something was boiling underneath. If you take those 3 players and give them numerical ratings of their skills, and pit those numerical ratings against other numerical ratings of their opponents (sound familiar?) I think you'd have a Sweet 16 team. IRL, no way Sweet 16 was gonna happen with those divas.

This is a game. We have robot players going against robot players sometimes coached by robots.
10/18/2017 4:50 PM (edited)
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Posted by bagger288 on 10/18/2017 2:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by topdogggbm on 10/18/2017 1:33:00 PM (view original):
Who was it?
Honestly don't remember his name, this was in 2005 I graduated High school in 2007 so it was a long time ago. I just remember the situation clear as day as I was shocked.
Are you sure he was so highly rated?

I'm looking at the 2005 recruit rankings from Michigan and all the top players from there chose a D1 team.

This is the Mr Basketball results from 2005. Which HS did you go to?
2004-05
1) WILSON CHANDLER, BENTON HARBOR - 890
2) Michael Bramos, Grosse Pointe North - 341
3) Zane Gay, Olivet - 325
4) Keith MacKenzie, Warren DeLaSalle - 300
5) Brandon Wolfe, Detroit Redford - 236
6) Zack Gibson, Grand Blanc - 232
7) Erik Kangas, DeWitt - 204
8) Jerret Smith, Romulus - 175
10/18/2017 5:13 PM
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Posted by Benis on 10/18/2017 5:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bagger288 on 10/18/2017 2:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by topdogggbm on 10/18/2017 1:33:00 PM (view original):
Who was it?
Honestly don't remember his name, this was in 2005 I graduated High school in 2007 so it was a long time ago. I just remember the situation clear as day as I was shocked.
Are you sure he was so highly rated?

I'm looking at the 2005 recruit rankings from Michigan and all the top players from there chose a D1 team.

This is the Mr Basketball results from 2005. Which HS did you go to?
2004-05
1) WILSON CHANDLER, BENTON HARBOR - 890
2) Michael Bramos, Grosse Pointe North - 341
3) Zane Gay, Olivet - 325
4) Keith MacKenzie, Warren DeLaSalle - 300
5) Brandon Wolfe, Detroit Redford - 236
6) Zack Gibson, Grand Blanc - 232
7) Erik Kangas, DeWitt - 204
8) Jerret Smith, Romulus - 175
Benis is on a mission here lol trust me I did some digging too and found nothing.
10/18/2017 10:34 PM
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Posted by MWalpole on 10/18/2017 10:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Benis on 10/18/2017 5:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bagger288 on 10/18/2017 2:11:00 PM (view original):
Posted by topdogggbm on 10/18/2017 1:33:00 PM (view original):
Who was it?
Honestly don't remember his name, this was in 2005 I graduated High school in 2007 so it was a long time ago. I just remember the situation clear as day as I was shocked.
Are you sure he was so highly rated?

I'm looking at the 2005 recruit rankings from Michigan and all the top players from there chose a D1 team.

This is the Mr Basketball results from 2005. Which HS did you go to?
2004-05
1) WILSON CHANDLER, BENTON HARBOR - 890
2) Michael Bramos, Grosse Pointe North - 341
3) Zane Gay, Olivet - 325
4) Keith MacKenzie, Warren DeLaSalle - 300
5) Brandon Wolfe, Detroit Redford - 236
6) Zack Gibson, Grand Blanc - 232
7) Erik Kangas, DeWitt - 204
8) Jerret Smith, Romulus - 175
Benis is on a mission here lol trust me I did some digging too and found nothing.
10/19/2017 7:16 AM
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I looked at the Grand Valley State historical rosters from 2006-2008 and I didn't see any of those names.
10/19/2017 8:33 AM
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Posted by bagger288 on 10/18/2017 1:20:00 PM (view original):
I've given this example before, in Michigan when I was in High school as a sophomore we had a Senior Point guard that took calls from Tom Izzo at Michigan State. Was a 5 Star recruit, a backup to the Mcdonalds all American team and was 2nd in the race for Mr. Basketball. This player decided to commit to Grand valley State a D2 school because "He didn't like the comparison he was getting to Drew Neitzel." He also had a personal relationship with the coach at Grand Valley State and decided that was the best school for him. He could of gone to elite Michigan State and I can guarantee he had other elite schools calling. This is an actual scenario I witnessed happen first hand.
I accet that. Of course such things happen now and then. Probably more often than not decisions are made for personal reasons such as that. We're all human, even talented basketball players. When someone gets too OCD about HD it is easy to forget that.
10/19/2017 11:31 AM
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