Posted by laramiebob on 12/4/2019 12:02:00 PM (view original):
Appeals Court ruled yesterday that Duetschebank and Capital One Bank have to turn over the "records" they have.

I don't really CARE whether Trump is broke (yet) or very wealthy (I mean LIQUID), the FACT is He's a liar. We (as citizens) can't BELIEVE anything he says so he COULD be anything, thus the problem............ he COULD be near bankrupt and using the POTUS to profit personally, OR he COULD be beholden to wealthy Russian oligarchs and others (Putin) who may have damaging info on him and thus he's being USED to undermine US, our Country.

And he COULD be a disarmingly frank, calm and steady, level headed financial genius who knows "more than the Generals" about our National Security, who knows better than 98% of all the world's finest economists, who knows better than the world's scientific community, who knows better than basic common sense about the "value" of a physical finite wall in a world of ladders and drones and technology beyond imagination................

Don't know about you all3 but it's a pretty easy decision for me to make about which possible set of "Could be's" your man Trump really is.
We'll all find out eventually, once the Supreme Court finally gets around to telling your man Trump that in reality He's NOT above the law. That that whole concept was just a part of his alternative reality. The same reality that makes him believe ANYBODY has any respect for him, and that they're not ALL just like the leaders of the rest of the entire modern world----who laugh at him behind his back and believe he's a publicity seeking grandstanding doofuss with bad hair, bad manners, bad ideas, bad ethics, and bad brains! In other words the laughing stock he is! Seen the recent video from London??? hahaha Oh wait, it's freaking embarrassing what we are being betrayed as.

You should be proud! Tiny thumbs up.............. so much winning......... lol.

Too bad it's the Country the pays the price for this blunderbutt's evil, greed, and stupidity.

Was this what you were hoping for all3?
I don't want him impeached, I want him tried and convicted for the criminal jackhat he IS!
And then hung. Publicly!

Posted by laramiebob on 12/4/2019 12:24:00 PM (view original):
Doug Collins is a partisan hack and a moron.

I'll just say this. The Repugs stated reason for impeaching Dog Clinton was that he LIED! To Us, the people.
He DID. It was about sex. With a youngish woman............with a fairly nice smile. He shouldn't have LIED!
It was a reprehensible thing to do. He should have told the truth, honored the young woman by stating how nice She was and how much he "enjoyed her company" and got about the business of the Country and figuring out how to appease HRC.

I want the same standard (The McCain standard for judging "high crimes and misdemeanors") applied to Trump as the repugs applied to Dog Clinton.
What Trump TRIED TO DO (He's such an incompetent jackass He can't even extort folks properly while POTUS!!) is far far worse than enjoying the sexual pleasures of a young woman. Don't you think?

Posted by tangplay on 12/4/2019 3:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 12/4/2019 12:15:00 PM (view original):
Bottom line for me is this, bob - IF the man did something illegal or worthy of impeachment, them PROVE IT. So far, Dems have no facts that can do that. A bunch of hearsay and theories, but no PROOF. We're basically at the same point we were over 3 years ago. Doug Collins said it perfectly in his opening statement today.

What would qualify as 'proof' to you?

Posted by laramiebob on 12/4/2019 4:43:00 PM (view original):
Truth and basic personal integrity don't change.

People's insistence on them in leadership may have waned significantly in recent times apparently..........at least SOME people's insistence.........

but that just means (bottom line) our societal standards have eroded to even include truth and Presidential integrity.
Some may shrug their shoulders and say oh my......... or WTF, it' ain't me Babe, or well he's scum but he's our scum. Whatever the excuse.
It's still just a weak excuse.

I won't buy it and I'll go down squawking............ LOUDLY.
I'll be telling the TRUTH about what happened in the U.S.A. and just which people it was that ignored their OWN responsibility to insist on truth and basic integrity in their leaders.

We were warned numerous times.
Remember Osceola.
And Cochise.
The US Government is Liars, always have been.

Posted by all3 on 12/4/2019 4:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 12/4/2019 12:24:00 PM (view original):
Doug Collins is a partisan hack and a moron.

I'll just say this. The Repugs stated reason for impeaching Dog Clinton was that he LIED! To Us, the people.
He DID. It was about sex. With a youngish woman............with a fairly nice smile. He shouldn't have LIED!
It was a reprehensible thing to do. He should have told the truth, honored the young woman by stating how nice She was and how much he "enjoyed her company" and got about the business of the Country and figuring out how to appease HRC.

I want the same standard (The McCain standard for judging "high crimes and misdemeanors") applied to Trump as the repugs applied to Dog Clinton.
What Trump TRIED TO DO (He's such an incompetent jackass He can't even extort folks properly while POTUS!!) is far far worse than enjoying the sexual pleasures of a young woman. Don't you think?

Do you want the same morality standards of 21 years ago applied to homosexuality and divorce and TV limitations, or even all the lies told about Trump and others (et al) too? Times have obviously changed. (Not that I'm saying that's a good thing.) You don't get to pick and choose what gets treated "old school" and what doesn't.

Posted by DougOut on 12/4/2019 5:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 12/4/2019 5:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 12/4/2019 4:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 12/4/2019 12:24:00 PM (view original):
Doug Collins is a partisan hack and a moron.

I'll just say this. The Repugs stated reason for impeaching Dog Clinton was that he LIED! To Us, the people.
He DID. It was about sex. With a youngish woman............with a fairly nice smile. He shouldn't have LIED!
It was a reprehensible thing to do. He should have told the truth, honored the young woman by stating how nice She was and how much he "enjoyed her company" and got about the business of the Country and figuring out how to appease HRC.

I want the same standard (The McCain standard for judging "high crimes and misdemeanors") applied to Trump as the repugs applied to Dog Clinton.
What Trump TRIED TO DO (He's such an incompetent jackass He can't even extort folks properly while POTUS!!) is far far worse than enjoying the sexual pleasures of a young woman. Don't you think?

Do you want the same morality standards of 21 years ago applied to homosexuality and divorce and TV limitations, or even all the lies told about Trump and others (et al) too? Times have obviously changed. (Not that I'm saying that's a good thing.) You don't get to pick and choose what gets treated "old school" and what doesn't.

all3, just because something haesn't been proven yet that doesn't make it a lie. Any time someone who is accused of a crime goes to trial, nothing has been proven yet. That does not mean the accused is not guilty. Yes, they are assumed innocent until proven guilty, but they are still accused. Why doesn't that apply to Trump. He is being accused of something. I can't speak for anyone else, but I have not said he was guilty of anything but lying and making sexist and racist remarks. If you don't agree that he lies constantly and has made some sexist and racist remarks, you are deluded. Notice I didn't say he is a racist and a sexist pig (although, in my opinion, he is), just that he has made remarks that were sexist and racist.

BIDEN HAS BEEN ACCUSED! WHY DOESN'T THAT APPLY TO BIDEN?

Posted by tangplay on 12/4/2019 7:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DougOut on 12/4/2019 5:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 12/4/2019 5:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by all3 on 12/4/2019 4:01:00 PM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 12/4/2019 12:24:00 PM (view original):
Doug Collins is a partisan hack and a moron.

I'll just say this. The Repugs stated reason for impeaching Dog Clinton was that he LIED! To Us, the people.
He DID. It was about sex. With a youngish woman............with a fairly nice smile. He shouldn't have LIED!
It was a reprehensible thing to do. He should have told the truth, honored the young woman by stating how nice She was and how much he "enjoyed her company" and got about the business of the Country and figuring out how to appease HRC.

I want the same standard (The McCain standard for judging "high crimes and misdemeanors") applied to Trump as the repugs applied to Dog Clinton.
What Trump TRIED TO DO (He's such an incompetent jackass He can't even extort folks properly while POTUS!!) is far far worse than enjoying the sexual pleasures of a young woman. Don't you think?

Do you want the same morality standards of 21 years ago applied to homosexuality and divorce and TV limitations, or even all the lies told about Trump and others (et al) too? Times have obviously changed. (Not that I'm saying that's a good thing.) You don't get to pick and choose what gets treated "old school" and what doesn't.

all3, just because something haesn't been proven yet that doesn't make it a lie. Any time someone who is accused of a crime goes to trial, nothing has been proven yet. That does not mean the accused is not guilty. Yes, they are assumed innocent until proven guilty, but they are still accused. Why doesn't that apply to Trump. He is being accused of something. I can't speak for anyone else, but I have not said he was guilty of anything but lying and making sexist and racist remarks. If you don't agree that he lies constantly and has made some sexist and racist remarks, you are deluded. Notice I didn't say he is a racist and a sexist pig (although, in my opinion, he is), just that he has made remarks that were sexist and racist.

BIDEN HAS BEEN ACCUSED! WHY DOESN'T THAT APPLY TO BIDEN?

Doug, I accuse you of being an idiot