Posted by strikeout26 on 1/1/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):
I'm calling BS. Everyone has the same odds of being successful. Everyone has the same opportunities to go to college, an argument can be made that minorities have more opportunity for this. Saying one race of criminal is more likely to go to jail than another is not a good argument. Everyone has the choice to not commit the crime at all. My adopted son, who I adopted when he was 14 made choices to do the right thing is on track to be successful at 20 years old. The fact that he's black hasnt hampered him at all. His cousins have chosen to go the gang route and do drugs and they are on a path to add nothing to society. They grew up in the same environment for 14 years, but some made the right choice and some didn't. That's what it comes down to.

You pointed out the flaw in your argument yourself. First, the college thing is some BS. There are programs to help minorities because white people statistically go to ad graduate college more than black or Hispanics. And again, the issue is not committing crimes (both races do it about equally) it is going to JAIL for those crimes, which black people do MUCH more than whites. Additionally, I was at a poverty simulation once. There were about 200 people in the room. The leader said, "Everyone who has been pulled and taken out of their car by the police, stand up." About 10 black people stood up, and only 3 white people did, and white people outnumbered black people in the room 2:1. This all leads to your last point about your son. Now, I would assume that your son grew up with good leadership and in a nice household with good parents like you. But Black people statistically have a less likely chance of that happening. Again, more black people grow to jail and due to the racism in the suburbs and Nixon policies giving them drugs, the mentality around the 'hood' was created. So, yeah, in the end you make your own choices. But when the only thing you grow up with is a dad going in and out of jail, drugs, crime, etc, yeah, you may not have the best life either.

Posted by DougOut on 1/1/2018 1:23:00 PM (view original):
WHAT? Speak English. And thanks for giving us the NEW PROGRESSIVE as your source material.

Well...if those numbers are true...it only shows how bad OBAMA and the DEMOCRATS treated people of color over the last 8 years.

Why does democrat run Seattle go after blacks? Why is all this stuff going on in democrat run cities? Are you saying democrats are racists?

You are SUCH an idiot.

Not all of this can be traced to Obama. The Seattle statistic was from the 90's. And Obama was in power for 8 years. This is mostly traced back to slavery, the 60's, Nixon, and Reagan IMO. Also, about 40% of people in Seattle are republicans. And nobody in this situation is 'racist' necessarily. This is what I like to call a 'give up' argument. This debate is beyond party lines.

Posted by tangplay on 1/1/2018 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/1/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):
I'm calling BS. Everyone has the same odds of being successful. Everyone has the same opportunities to go to college, an argument can be made that minorities have more opportunity for this. Saying one race of criminal is more likely to go to jail than another is not a good argument. Everyone has the choice to not commit the crime at all. My adopted son, who I adopted when he was 14 made choices to do the right thing is on track to be successful at 20 years old. The fact that he's black hasnt hampered him at all. His cousins have chosen to go the gang route and do drugs and they are on a path to add nothing to society. They grew up in the same environment for 14 years, but some made the right choice and some didn't. That's what it comes down to.

You pointed out the flaw in your argument yourself. First, the college thing is some BS. There are programs to help minorities because white people statistically go to ad graduate college more than black or Hispanics. And again, the issue is not committing crimes (both races do it about equally) it is going to JAIL for those crimes, which black people do MUCH more than whites. Additionally, I was at a poverty simulation once. There were about 200 people in the room. The leader said, "Everyone who has been pulled and taken out of their car by the police, stand up." About 10 black people stood up, and only 3 white people did, and white people outnumbered black people in the room 2:1. This all leads to your last point about your son. Now, I would assume that your son grew up with good leadership and in a nice household with good parents like you. But Black people statistically have a less likely chance of that happening. Again, more black people grow to jail and due to the racism in the suburbs and Nixon policies giving them drugs, the mentality around the 'hood' was created. So, yeah, in the end you make your own choices. But when the only thing you grow up with is a dad going in and out of jail, drugs, crime, etc, yeah, you may not have the best life either.

My son grew up with a mother who was 14 years older than him and a father in jail. That's why I adopted him

Why are you quoting 1990 statistics? I didn't post them. Slavery ended over 150 years ago. The 1960s are over and Nixon and Reagan are dead. The majority of voters in Seattle are Democrats. And if nobody is racist then why do you post it? You should give up this argument and it is beyond party lines.

I would rather we agree on something instead of resist.

I wouldn't mind a new and improved infrastructure bill.

Once again, it's all about personal choice. I would recommend that everyone read "7 habits of highly effective people." Your environment doesn't define you, your choices do.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/1/2018 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/1/2018 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/1/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):
I'm calling BS. Everyone has the same odds of being successful. Everyone has the same opportunities to go to college, an argument can be made that minorities have more opportunity for this. Saying one race of criminal is more likely to go to jail than another is not a good argument. Everyone has the choice to not commit the crime at all. My adopted son, who I adopted when he was 14 made choices to do the right thing is on track to be successful at 20 years old. The fact that he's black hasnt hampered him at all. His cousins have chosen to go the gang route and do drugs and they are on a path to add nothing to society. They grew up in the same environment for 14 years, but some made the right choice and some didn't. That's what it comes down to.

You pointed out the flaw in your argument yourself. First, the college thing is some BS. There are programs to help minorities because white people statistically go to ad graduate college more than black or Hispanics. And again, the issue is not committing crimes (both races do it about equally) it is going to JAIL for those crimes, which black people do MUCH more than whites. Additionally, I was at a poverty simulation once. There were about 200 people in the room. The leader said, "Everyone who has been pulled and taken out of their car by the police, stand up." About 10 black people stood up, and only 3 white people did, and white people outnumbered black people in the room 2:1. This all leads to your last point about your son. Now, I would assume that your son grew up with good leadership and in a nice household with good parents like you. But Black people statistically have a less likely chance of that happening. Again, more black people grow to jail and due to the racism in the suburbs and Nixon policies giving them drugs, the mentality around the 'hood' was created. So, yeah, in the end you make your own choices. But when the only thing you grow up with is a dad going in and out of jail, drugs, crime, etc, yeah, you may not have the best life either.

My son grew up with a mother who was 14 years older than him and a father in jail. That's why I adopted him

And then you raised him. 14 isn't THAT old.

Posted by DougOut on 1/1/2018 1:40:00 PM (view original):
Why are you quoting 1990 statistics? I didn't post them. Slavery ended over 150 years ago. The 1960s are over and Nixon and Reagan are dead. The majority of voters in Seattle are Democrats. And if nobody is racist then why do you post it? You should give up this argument and it is beyond party lines.

I would rather we agree on something instead of resist.

I wouldn't mind a new and improved infrastructure bill.

Because the statistics presumably still hold true today. And as the statistics show, THE IMPACT OF THOSE PEOPLE AND THINGS ARE STILL AROUND. And some people are racist others are not.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/1/2018 1:41:00 PM (view original):
Once again, it's all about personal choice. I would recommend that everyone read "7 habits of highly effective people." Your environment doesn't define you, your choices do.

Yeah people have personal choice. I agree. But your environment has an effect. It is CLEARLY not a level playing field.

Posted by tangplay on 1/1/2018 2:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/1/2018 1:41:00 PM (view original):
Once again, it's all about personal choice. I would recommend that everyone read "7 habits of highly effective people." Your environment doesn't define you, your choices do.

Yeah people have personal choice. I agree. But your environment has an effect. It is CLEARLY not a level playing field.

Your environment has an effect if you allow it to have an effect. Once again, it's another choice.

Posted by tangplay on 1/1/2018 11:58:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 12/31/2017 5:12:00 PM (view original):
White privilege: Advantages both social and economic that benefit people identified as white beyond what is commonly experienced by non-white people under the same circumstances. Example: Because I am white bad_luck thinks I can get jobs easier than an African American or Asian American person. Yet Asian Americans statistically earn the most in the U.S. But stats don't matter to bad_luck because he is an idiot.

'Get Jobs easier'
'Asians earn the most'
False equivalence

HOW?!??!!? You idiot?!?!?! NO!!!

Please never respond to my posts again. You are a moron.

OK let me break it down for you. YOU were talking about white privilege meaning 'getting jobs easier', which I agree with. Then, you go on to prove that claim by saying, 'Asian Americans earn the most in the US'. This statistic means nothing in the context of your argument. Asian Americans can be discriminated against and still earn the most. It's pretty obvious that there is a stereotype around Asian Americans that they are 'smarter' than the rest of us. So just finding that statistic out of context really means nothing because it is a completely different issue. You proved nothing.

No, dummy. I used getting jobs easier as an example but it is not true. Asian Americans would not be getting paid more if they could not attain the higher paying jobs. Fact is men do get better jobs but not because of their color. This is my LAST post to you:

You are a mental midget who does not know sh*t about F*ck. You have no idea about the business world, you are a terrible writer and your religious views are at best primitive. There is no such thing as white privilege or institutional racism. There are those that are racists but so what, it is not wide spread and it is not built into our culture. Your idiocy is off the charts. STFU and read a damn book.

Posted by DougOut on 1/1/2018 1:40:00 PM (view original):
Why are you quoting 1990 statistics? I didn't post them. Slavery ended over 150 years ago. The 1960s are over and Nixon and Reagan are dead. The majority of voters in Seattle are Democrats. And if nobody is racist then why do you post it? You should give up this argument and it is beyond party lines.

I would rather we agree on something instead of resist.

I wouldn't mind a new and improved infrastructure bill.

There is a difference between inequality and inequity. We had an African American POTUS who won by a landslide both times. This country has racist people but there is no more white privilege or wide spread institutional racism. We are not any more racist now than we were in the 60s yet in 60s 20% of African American kids had 1 parent and today it is around 70%. Nothing to do with racism and everything to do with culture.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/1/2018 2:15:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/1/2018 2:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/1/2018 1:41:00 PM (view original):
Once again, it's all about personal choice. I would recommend that everyone read "7 habits of highly effective people." Your environment doesn't define you, your choices do.

Yeah people have personal choice. I agree. But your environment has an effect. It is CLEARLY not a level playing field.

Your environment has an effect if you allow it to have an effect. Once again, it's another choice.

I want to play for the Celtics but I cannot. Sh*t happens. Doesn't mean I cannot live a productive life. Again there is a difference between inequality and inequity.

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/1/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):
I'm calling BS. Everyone has the same odds of being successful. Everyone has the same opportunities to go to college, an argument can be made that minorities have more opportunity for this. Saying one race of criminal is more likely to go to jail than another is not a good argument. Everyone has the choice to not commit the crime at all. My adopted son, who I adopted when he was 14 made choices to do the right thing is on track to be successful at 20 years old. The fact that he's black hasnt hampered him at all. His cousins have chosen to go the gang route and do drugs and they are on a path to add nothing to society. They grew up in the same environment for 14 years, but some made the right choice and some didn't. That's what it comes down to.

THIS!!!

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/1/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):
I'm calling BS. Everyone has the same odds of being successful. Everyone has the same opportunities to go to college, an argument can be made that minorities have more opportunity for this. Saying one race of criminal is more likely to go to jail than another is not a good argument. Everyone has the choice to not commit the crime at all. My adopted son, who I adopted when he was 14 made choices to do the right thing is on track to be successful at 20 years old. The fact that he's black hasnt hampered him at all. His cousins have chosen to go the gang route and do drugs and they are on a path to add nothing to society. They grew up in the same environment for 14 years, but some made the right choice and some didn't. That's what it comes down to.

This is naive.

Nope. The left loves crutches and doesn't understand personal choice. Nothing naive about it.