Posted by tangplay on 2/22/2018 4:47:00 PM (view original):
CCCP likes to make the argument that one needs to do three things to stay out of poverty:
1. Graduate
2. Get a job
3. Don't be a single parent

This is not true. The national poverty rate is 14%. Employment is at 96%, graduation is at 80%, and 71% of kids live in multiple parent families. There is a 54% chance that someone in America has done all 3 things, meaning that 40% of Americans (137 million people) have not done all of these things and yet are not in poverty. meanwhile, the chance that one has done none of these things is at 0.02% (60,000 people). So most people in poverty have done at least one of these things.

His main source is a 2013 report from Brookings.edu, which claims that "Our research shows that of American adults who followed these three simple rules, only about 2?percent are in poverty". So by my calculations, 130 million adults follow those three rules, and so according to Brookings's own numbers, around 2.5 million American adults follow these three rules, and STILL are in poverty. That's the entire population of Kansas! 432 of these people live in my town alone, it would actually be more unlikely that I DIDN'T know one of these people. 6% of the American poor follows these three rules, and are still in poverty.

In conclusion, the three rules are good rules to live by, and that is common sense. However, to make the argument that those three things will keep people out of poverty without fail is laughable. Brookings even says that other factors are at play. This claim simply does nothing to prove that institutional racism does not exist.

Of course its not guaranteed but it is a great start.Of the 2.5mil how many have drinking or drug problems? How many are just bad with money? How many are gambling addicts? There is NO institutional racism!!! Each case needs to be studied on its own merits.

If there aren't any jobs in Kansas then MOVE!!!

Yeah, I get the impression that Tang is not a fan of his home state.

Under the supplemental measure, which includes cost-of-living differences, poverty is much higher in expensive states like California and New York, and lower in places like Alabama and Kentucky. So again...MOVE!!!

Sara Kimberlin, author of the Berkeley study, used the supplemental poverty measure to look at poverty over an 11-year period. She found that chronic poverty — those who were poor for more than half that time — was lower than previously thought. Only about two percent of people were chronically poor under the supplemental measure, compared with 3.3 percent under the official rate.

This is important, because research shows that chronic poverty does the most long-term harm to people, especially children.

Kimberlin says most people in poverty are poor for a short period of time, because government benefits help lift them back above the poverty line.

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/22/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/22/2018 4:47:00 PM (view original):
CCCP likes to make the argument that one needs to do three things to stay out of poverty:
1. Graduate
2. Get a job
3. Don't be a single parent

This is not true. The national poverty rate is 14%. Employment is at 96%, graduation is at 80%, and 71% of kids live in multiple parent families. There is a 54% chance that someone in America has done all 3 things, meaning that 40% of Americans (137 million people) have not done all of these things and yet are not in poverty. meanwhile, the chance that one has done none of these things is at 0.02% (60,000 people). So most people in poverty have done at least one of these things.

His main source is a 2013 report from Brookings.edu, which claims that "Our research shows that of American adults who followed these three simple rules, only about 2?percent are in poverty". So by my calculations, 130 million adults follow those three rules, and so according to Brookings's own numbers, around 2.5 million American adults follow these three rules, and STILL are in poverty. That's the entire population of Kansas! 432 of these people live in my town alone, it would actually be more unlikely that I DIDN'T know one of these people. 6% of the American poor follows these three rules, and are still in poverty.

In conclusion, the three rules are good rules to live by, and that is common sense. However, to make the argument that those three things will keep people out of poverty without fail is laughable. Brookings even says that other factors are at play. This claim simply does nothing to prove that institutional racism does not exist.

Of course its not guaranteed but it is a great start.Of the 2.5mil how many have drinking or drug problems? How many are just bad with money? How many are gambling addicts? There is NO institutional racism!!! Each case needs to be studied on its own merits.

If there aren't any jobs in Kansas then MOVE!!!

No way to measure that, Comrade. Many factors, many, many factors. We can spend all day listing all this out. My point was that just listing out good life tips doesn't prove anything. No one said anything about black people being poor SOLELY because of institutional racism. Would you agree that as a whole, black people are worse off?

You are mostly arguing for the existence of generational poverty, which I agree with. Now, if only we could see who was primarily poor in the 60's... I wonder....

The idea of uprooting an entire family to move to a place where you have no connections is crazy. My dad would argue that connections, relationships, and allies are the most important factor in getting out of poverty.

I would also like to remind you that Brooking's study was about staying out of poverty, NOT getting out from where you started... I would wager that that 2% was primarily from families that started in poverty..

http://www.nccp.org/publications/pub_909.html

Our examination of PSID data indicates that while most children never experience poverty, 35 percent of children born between 1970 and 1990 experienced poverty between birth and age 15. We also find that African-American children are more likely to experience poverty than are white children. These results have implications for adults: Individuals who were poor during childhood are more likely to be poor as adults than are those who were never poor, and this is especially true for African-Americans. Consequently, intergenerational poverty and persistent disadvantage impedes individuals’ ability to achieve the American Dream. Though there is considerable upward mobility in the United States, escaping poverty is difficult, and racial disadvantages mean that mobility out of poverty for African-Americans is far more difficult than it is for whites.

Posted by strikeout26 on 2/22/2018 4:54:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, I get the impression that Tang is not a fan of his home state.

BROWNBACK!!!

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/22/2018 4:56:00 PM (view original):
Under the supplemental measure, which includes cost-of-living differences, poverty is much higher in expensive states like California and New York, and lower in places like Alabama and Kentucky. So again...MOVE!!!

Sara Kimberlin, author of the Berkeley study, used the supplemental poverty measure to look at poverty over an 11-year period. She found that chronic poverty — those who were poor for more than half that time — was lower than previously thought. Only about two percent of people were chronically poor under the supplemental measure, compared with 3.3 percent under the official rate.

This is important, because research shows that chronic poverty does the most long-term harm to people, especially children.

Kimberlin says most people in poverty are poor for a short period of time, because government benefits help lift them back above the poverty line.

What is your argument here? That poverty is no big deal?

Can we all just agree on one law or regulation that needs to be passed? Just one?

That its getting better you idiot. Trump's new tax plan doubles the standard deduction so now struggling people will pay less in taxes as well.

You cry and whine but you don't have solutions. I think 2% is a pretty low #. So follow my F*CKING rules and we can help the 2%. Stop your damn racism argument. You agreed its culture not race.

Posted by tangplay on 2/22/2018 5:03:00 PM (view original):
Can we all just agree on one law or regulation that needs to be passed? Just one?

What law? They just doubled the damn standard deduction? What other law? That money should grow on trees? I don't follow. Maybe have more people pay $200k for a college degree in history?

Posted by tangplay on 2/22/2018 4:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 2/22/2018 4:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 2/22/2018 4:47:00 PM (view original):
CCCP likes to make the argument that one needs to do three things to stay out of poverty:
1. Graduate
2. Get a job
3. Don't be a single parent

This is not true. The national poverty rate is 14%. Employment is at 96%, graduation is at 80%, and 71% of kids live in multiple parent families. There is a 54% chance that someone in America has done all 3 things, meaning that 40% of Americans (137 million people) have not done all of these things and yet are not in poverty. meanwhile, the chance that one has done none of these things is at 0.02% (60,000 people). So most people in poverty have done at least one of these things.

His main source is a 2013 report from Brookings.edu, which claims that "Our research shows that of American adults who followed these three simple rules, only about 2?percent are in poverty". So by my calculations, 130 million adults follow those three rules, and so according to Brookings's own numbers, around 2.5 million American adults follow these three rules, and STILL are in poverty. That's the entire population of Kansas! 432 of these people live in my town alone, it would actually be more unlikely that I DIDN'T know one of these people. 6% of the American poor follows these three rules, and are still in poverty.

In conclusion, the three rules are good rules to live by, and that is common sense. However, to make the argument that those three things will keep people out of poverty without fail is laughable. Brookings even says that other factors are at play. This claim simply does nothing to prove that institutional racism does not exist.

Of course its not guaranteed but it is a great start.Of the 2.5mil how many have drinking or drug problems? How many are just bad with money? How many are gambling addicts? There is NO institutional racism!!! Each case needs to be studied on its own merits.

If there aren't any jobs in Kansas then MOVE!!!

No way to measure that, Comrade. Many factors, many, many factors. We can spend all day listing all this out. My point was that just listing out good life tips doesn't prove anything. No one said anything about black people being poor SOLELY because of institutional racism. Would you agree that as a whole, black people are worse off?

You are mostly arguing for the existence of generational poverty, which I agree with. Now, if only we could see who was primarily poor in the 60's... I wonder....

The idea of uprooting an entire family to move to a place where you have no connections is crazy. My dad would argue that connections, relationships, and allies are the most important factor in getting out of poverty.

I would also like to remind you that Brooking's study was about staying out of poverty, NOT getting out from where you started... I would wager that that 2% was primarily from families that started in poverty..

If your connections, relationships, and allies are also in poverty, they can't help you get out of poverty.

Posted by tangplay on 2/22/2018 5:03:00 PM (view original):
Can we all just agree on one law or regulation that needs to be passed? Just one?

Nope, because you think the gov't is the saving grace and I think the gov't has proven time and again to be useless.

I told you already if you are in poverty then the Gov't needs to help and 2% is not bad. 0% is not feasible. Wait so you think its crazy to move an entire family but you are pro immigration and that is exactly what happens? LOL

Are you listening to yourself?

My best friend is a teacher (teaches religion) go figure. He and his wife, also a teacher left MA for NC because they could not afford to live in MA. They probably make about $90k combined. Would be struggling in MA but live very comfortably in NC. Moving is an option.

Still demonstrating your ignorance of the value of History eh Boris............... I don't even believe you're Jewish anymore!

NO ONE-------- I Repeat-------- NO ONE should pay "$200k for a college degree" ........... unless you're someone who can't earn it and need to buy one........... then 200K seems about right............. for an eastern education in finance. History should cost way more than that. It's much much more valuable to a society than banksters........ Jesus drove them from the temple........... with whips.......... or would you prefer chains........... hahahaha