Correct because you are a citizen, etc. And usually you settle out of court because the trial is a done deal when you are obviously guilty. So...in this case these are non US citizens, breaking the law and common sense states there is no reason to give them the same rights as citizens.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Correct because you are a citizen, etc. And usually you settle out of court because the trial is a done deal when you are obviously guilty. So...in this case these are non US citizens, breaking the law and common sense states there is no reason to give them the same rights as citizens.

The Supreme Court has held that every person on US soil is entitled to due process.

Otherwise, there is no way to prove citizenship.

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Posted by tangplay on 6/24/2018 2:05:00 PM (view original):
How so? And why should innovation be the main way to decide whether a country is successful or not?

BTW, capitalism has innovation problems too. In Kansas big energy dominates. We have restrictions on solar panels that we can buy because that would hurt the big corporations.

You just don't get it. Why do I waste my time?

I don't get it. Explain it to me.

Through innovation you get:

Apple Phones
Electric Cars
Wireless home security
Medicinal cures and procedures

You get this because people want to be rich and hence innovation is their key to get there. First mover advantage. Socialism does not lend itself to innovation because the reward is not as great. There will still be altruistic people innovating but not as many as those in capitalist countries.

Do you know what a Venture Fund is?

1. Even if Democratic Socialism (Which is capitalism) isn't as good at innovation as free-market capitalism, there will still be plenty of free-market capitalists to innovate.
2. Even in a society like Scandinavia, people still want to be rich. If you play the lottery, your thought process wouldn't be that you will only be happy if you win the grand prize. Even if you win the 2nd best prize, you are still happy. Rich people in Democratic Socialist societies are still, well, rich. They still have better lives than the poor.

I have heard of the phrase, but I probably don't have the best grips as to what it is.

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Posted by RCBracco on 6/25/2018 10:05:00 AM (view original):
Due process interferes with Trump's fascism. Looks like a amendment is in our future

Bracco, let me explain this to you because you simply don't comprehend the situation. Probably because you are obtuse. The stuff you and dino hate about Trump is exactly the stuff that his supporters like about him. So when you bash him you have the other half of the country praising him. Re-read this a couple of times to understand what I am stating.

While you want this country to go 100% Leftist, there are people opposed to this and they support DJT. I personally think those on the far left and the far right are equally insane.

So by my operational definition you are insane.

This shouldn’t be a partisan issue. Due process applies to everyone on American soil regardless of citizenship.

Agreed.

Yet it is a partisan issue because people only see what they want to see. Such as you and TP when it comes to institutional racism. Add to that the fact that people no longer trust the media or the FBI, DOJ, Congress, etc. and you have a giant sh*t storm.

Jesus. Talk about a non sequitur. Trump tweeted that due process should be eliminated for deportations. That’s a problem. Agree?

Nope. If you are here illegally we should not be spending taxpayer $$ on food, lodging and the court system. I'd have a zero tolerance policy and I am a product of immigrants, who came here legally!

How do you know if someone is here illegally if you eliminate due process?

I think he means once they determine you are illegal you are out. No appeals, etc.

He is not just going to deport random people. Come on man.

LOL

That's not what due process is.

And if you eliminate due process, you do deport random people.

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Correct because you are a citizen, etc. And usually you settle out of court because the trial is a done deal when you are obviously guilty. So...in this case these are non US citizens, breaking the law and common sense states there is no reason to give them the same rights as citizens.

The Supreme Court has held that every person on US soil is entitled to due process.

Otherwise, there is no way to prove citizenship.

Right and he is looking to change that with new people on the SC.

Time will tell if this happens.

Posted by tangplay on 6/25/2018 1:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 10:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/24/2018 10:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/24/2018 8:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 6/24/2018 2:05:00 PM (view original):
How so? And why should innovation be the main way to decide whether a country is successful or not?

BTW, capitalism has innovation problems too. In Kansas big energy dominates. We have restrictions on solar panels that we can buy because that would hurt the big corporations.

You just don't get it. Why do I waste my time?

I don't get it. Explain it to me.

Through innovation you get:

Apple Phones
Electric Cars
Wireless home security
Medicinal cures and procedures

You get this because people want to be rich and hence innovation is their key to get there. First mover advantage. Socialism does not lend itself to innovation because the reward is not as great. There will still be altruistic people innovating but not as many as those in capitalist countries.

Do you know what a Venture Fund is?

1. Even if Democratic Socialism (Which is capitalism) isn't as good at innovation as free-market capitalism, there will still be plenty of free-market capitalists to innovate.
2. Even in a society like Scandinavia, people still want to be rich. If you play the lottery, your thought process wouldn't be that you will only be happy if you win the grand prize. Even if you win the 2nd best prize, you are still happy. Rich people in Democratic Socialist societies are still, well, rich. They still have better lives than the poor.

I have heard of the phrase, but I probably don't have the best grips as to what it is.

You are all over the place. So you want to live a simple and humble life and have others innovate for you. How European of you. Have the US back you militarily so you can concentrate on other things. OK.

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Correct because you are a citizen, etc. And usually you settle out of court because the trial is a done deal when you are obviously guilty. So...in this case these are non US citizens, breaking the law and common sense states there is no reason to give them the same rights as citizens.

The Supreme Court has held that every person on US soil is entitled to due process.

Otherwise, there is no way to prove citizenship.

Right and he is looking to change that with new people on the SC.

Time will tell if this happens.

No, he’s not. He’s not actually arguing that due process should be eliminated for everyone. Because that’s what would happen if the SC overturned its own prior ruling.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Correct because you are a citizen, etc. And usually you settle out of court because the trial is a done deal when you are obviously guilty. So...in this case these are non US citizens, breaking the law and common sense states there is no reason to give them the same rights as citizens.

The Supreme Court has held that every person on US soil is entitled to due process.

Otherwise, there is no way to prove citizenship.

Right and he is looking to change that with new people on the SC.

Time will tell if this happens.

No, he’s not. He’s not actually arguing that due process should be eliminated for everyone. Because that’s what would happen if the SC overturned its own prior ruling.

So now you read his mind? He is just talking about the border and immigration. He is not talking about your rights. Geez. Relax.

I know you want to have open borders but obviously many disagree with you.

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Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Correct because you are a citizen, etc. And usually you settle out of court because the trial is a done deal when you are obviously guilty. So...in this case these are non US citizens, breaking the law and common sense states there is no reason to give them the same rights as citizens.

The Supreme Court has held that every person on US soil is entitled to due process.

Otherwise, there is no way to prove citizenship.

Right and he is looking to change that with new people on the SC.

Time will tell if this happens.

No, he’s not. He’s not actually arguing that due process should be eliminated for everyone. Because that’s what would happen if the SC overturned its own prior ruling.

So now you read his mind? He is just talking about the border and immigration. He is not talking about your rights. Geez. Relax.

I know you want to have open borders but obviously many disagree with you.

If the SC overturns its prior ruling and says that due process DOESN’T apply to everyone on US soil, then who does due process apply to?

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 6/25/2018 1:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 1:29:00 PM (view original):
Correct because you are a citizen, etc. And usually you settle out of court because the trial is a done deal when you are obviously guilty. So...in this case these are non US citizens, breaking the law and common sense states there is no reason to give them the same rights as citizens.

The Supreme Court has held that every person on US soil is entitled to due process.

Otherwise, there is no way to prove citizenship.

Right and he is looking to change that with new people on the SC.

Time will tell if this happens.

No, he’s not. He’s not actually arguing that due process should be eliminated for everyone. Because that’s what would happen if the SC overturned its own prior ruling.

So now you read his mind? He is just talking about the border and immigration. He is not talking about your rights. Geez. Relax.

I know you want to have open borders but obviously many disagree with you.

If the SC overturns its prior ruling and says that due process DOESN’T apply to everyone on US soil, then who does due process apply to?

US Citizens and those legally on US soil. Green cards, visas, etc.

Again, you are jumping to conclusions here. I am definitely a border security hawk, you're a dove. It is OK for us to disagree.

I’m not jumping to any conclusion.

Lets walk through it. Around 6am, the Border patrol in Arizona sees a man walk across a field from Mexico into the US.

They stop him. What happens next?

I don't think anyone can walk across any border. He would be breaking the law and be sent back, I hope. Imagine if I just cross into Canada for the fun of it? There are checkpoints and you have to present your passport, etc. You cannot just walk into another country.

What am I missing here?

Posted by cccp1014 on 6/25/2018 2:08:00 PM (view original):
I don't think anyone can walk across any border. He would be breaking the law and be sent back, I hope. Imagine if I just cross into Canada for the fun of it? There are checkpoints and you have to present your passport, etc. You cannot just walk into another country.

What am I missing here?

A lot, apparently. Do they know if he is a US citizen?

you can

you are thinking of airports and roads, checkpoints and fences

every where aint berlin1960

prolly he carries papers with him always like all good citizens

honest papers with all the right stamps and seals

who but a criminal leaves his house w/o ID