Posted by bronxcheer on 10/1/2019 7:43:00 AM (view original):

Trump Tweets Out Breitbart Online Poll Showing 97.83% of People ‘Stand With’ Him on Impeachment

And in other news, Taylor Swift announces that she is the most popular singer of all time, based on polling among her Instagram followers.

Now, the Taylor Swift announcement is shocking. She seems like such an unpretentious gal. A librarian type.

TY GoMiami for the lesson on Anthropology/Archeology Science. I appreciate the knowledge. And I understand the limits of scientific knowledge.
NONE of that has anything to do with actually how old/long the Hopi's have been around. We KNOW some of that evidence as fact. WE CAN carbon date things these days. The Hopi village of Oraibi is KNOWN to have been established between 900 -- 1000 AD. It is KNOWN to be the oldest continuously inhabited settlement on the Continent. Here is a quote from other scholars on the Hopi:

The Hopi “regard themselves as the first inhabitants of America,” and “their village of Oraibi is indisputably the oldest continuously occupied settlement in the United States.” For many other Native Americans too, the Hopis are perceived as worthy of such a description. A book entitled Hopi, and penned by Suzanne and Jake Page, says that other Native Americans regarded them as “the oldest of the people.”

So, while your response is not to be argued with as it is technically correct, I suppose. It still doesn't address the point I tried to make.
That point was that, The Jews aren't the only people who remain from the "time" of Abraham. I was just trying to point out that other cultures existed as early as the Biblical tales and are still with us.

I just don't believe that humanity began on this globe with the white Judeo-Christian culture. Nor do I believe that the Jewish people are/were the only peoples horribly persecuted. The Jewish were NOT the only people dispersed thru the globe who remain. Many global populations as ancient as the Jewish still exist today. MOST of them non human.

Posted by laramiebob on 10/1/2019 9:17:00 AM (view original):
TY GoMiami for the lesson on Anthropology/Archeology Science. I appreciate the knowledge. And I understand the limits of scientific knowledge.
NONE of that has anything to do with actually how old/long the Hopi's have been around. We KNOW some of that evidence as fact. WE CAN carbon date things these days. The Hopi village of Oraibi is KNOWN to have been established between 900 -- 1000 AD. It is KNOWN to be the oldest continuously inhabited settlement on the Continent. Here is a quote from other scholars on the Hopi:

The Hopi “regard themselves as the first inhabitants of America,” and “their village of Oraibi is indisputably the oldest continuously occupied settlement in the United States.” For many other Native Americans too, the Hopis are perceived as worthy of such a description. A book entitled Hopi, and penned by Suzanne and Jake Page, says that other Native Americans regarded them as “the oldest of the people.”

So, while your response is not to be argued with as it is technically correct, I suppose. It still doesn't address the point I tried to make.
That point was that, The Jews aren't the only people who remain from the "time" of Abraham. I was just trying to point out that other cultures existed as early as the Biblical tales and are still with us.

I just don't believe that humanity began on this globe with the white Judeo-Christian culture. Nor do I believe that the Jewish people are/were the only peoples horribly persecuted. The Jewish were NOT the only people dispersed thru the globe who remain. Many global populations as ancient as the Jewish still exist today. MOST of them non human.

I didn't even touch the Abraham part because I assumed that was directed towards doug. I would guess that there are many cultures that can trace their roots to pre-written history.

I get what you are trying to say. I fought the Anthropology Wars in graduate school so I have first-hand knowlegde of the struggle. Far too many disciplines get labeled as "science" because there is a certain cachet attached to the designation.

Everything that you wrote is theory, not fact. If there is one fact it is probably this - Oraibi has been continuously inhabited since at least 900-1000 A.D. Beyond that it is all inference. The continent is a very large place. Nobody knows if there are settlements which have been continuously inhabited for a longer period because we haven't bothered to conduct a continent-wide archaeological study to determine such a "fact" as that. In logic, the fallacy is called a hasty generalization.

So, legend becomes truth and the "science" of Anthropology laughs on.

OK then. But you didn't touch "carbon dating" which is used nowadays for dating things. And certainly there are limitations to the usage of the word "continent". Pluswise I'M not claiming that the Hopi are the only old peoples still existing. Fact is, I suspect a LOT of native peoples on more than one of our continents likely qualify as "pre-written history" or (as I was referring) the age of the Jewish Abraham. I'm not knowledgable at all in global history and it's occupants. I would certainly defer to your superior knowledge (Ivy league or not!). I'm much much better on 18th and 19th century U.S. History, particularly Western U.S. History and the clashes of the Native peoples with the "beast from the east" (my not so humorous term), which I mean to refer to as our people's (Anglo Saxon settlers) continuous territorial expansion (manifest destiny, etc) resulting in the general "taking" of Native lands and the sad legacy left by our Government's (generally) uninformed, ignorant, and (YES!) racist policies towards our continent's Native peoples.

Can't get enough of this exploration, really. Even at my age. Currently re-reading Alvin Josephy's "The Patriot Chiefs".

Have you ever heard what Benjamin Franklin had to say about the Iroquois League and it's application to his own (Franklin's) idea for Union of the colonies? (called the "Albany Plan of Union). He was not hesitant at ALL in chiding his fellow colonists how "strange" it would be if "Six Nations of ignorant savages should be capable of forming a scheme for such an union..." "...and execute it in such a manner as that it has subsisted ages..." "...and yet that a like union should be impracticable for ten or a dozen English colonies,"

I had to go and look up when this occurred because I'm not very good with the "dates" part of History. Franklin's proposal (and statement) is from 1754.

IF you compare how our Congressional committees and subcommittees operate, you'll find a striking similarity to the Great Council Fire of the Iroquois.
Apologize for the History rant. Me digs History.

I dig history too, so it's all good. I'll apologize as well. I came across as heavy-handed, a known flaw of mine.

About carbon dating, I believe the technique is accurate enough. What always comes into question (with regards to archaeology) is stratification. That's too boring to get into.

Whew...... stratificwhat??? I did Strat-O-Matic years ago. Anyways The Hopi Tribe has been around awhile. Whether it's as long as the Jewish Tribe or not I'll leave for others to argue about. Point was it ain't just the Jewish who have been persecuted and survived (and are ancient peoples).

Of course with the Hopi it gets kinda complicated for mere hillbillies like me because it depends on which world you are referring to as they believe OUR world to be the Fourth World. Pluswise there's other details that sorta boggles anal folks like me some. I won't get into it because I have trouble believing in the other-worldly. I have trouble enough with the worldly, what I can see and hear. Particularly the hear part!

Those Sumerians can't be trusted...

Hi Dino.

Posted by DougOut on 10/1/2019 8:31:00 PM (view original):
Hi Dino.

Didn't we go through this once already last year?

dougie doesn't care.

Posted by wylie715 on 10/2/2019 11:51:00 AM (view original):
dougie doesn't care.

I suppose. I don't get the point of reinforcing a lie but doug must enjoy it.

He worships fat, druggie, Rush Limburgher

manufacturing jobs at a 10 year low. 2200 Wisconsin farms closed in the last two years, farmers across America taking it in the shorts while relying on “socialism” to survive.

After leeching off the Obama economy for three years, the Trump economy is about to rear its ugly head. Tax breaks were a failure for Main Street Americans. Trade wars are easy!

How are Wisconcin's actuaries doing?

Kermit?