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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/6/2017 1:28:00 PM (view original):
I'm assuming the season after he said "I want to cut down on strikeouts" but, truthfully, I don't know. I just assumed tec knew what he was talking about. I didn't look it up.

So you don't know if he cut his K's and improved his OPS?

Are you saying tec was incorrect?

Do you think I can't look it up?

Well...you don't even know what years to compare...so I guess you could try.

FWIW, Trout never significantly cut down on his strikeouts. He's always floated around low to mid 20%. 22, 22, 19, 26, 23, 20, and then 18 this year. Even when he went from 26% to 23%, it was only a difference of 26 Ks over the course of 700+ PAs.

Looks to me he dropped from 26% of his AB to 18% of his AB. You don't think that's noticeable?

The year over year numbers aren't that different, at least not different enough to argue that a normal variance in K rate deserves credit for a slight increase in production.

2012 - 22% K - .963 OPS
2013 - 19% K - .989 OPS
2014 - 26% K - .938 OPS
2015 - 23% K - .992 OPS
2016 - 20% K - .991 OPS
2017 - 18% K - 1.071 OPS

His career average K rate is 21.5. His average OPS is .976. The biggest difference between his best year and his worst year is his home run rate.

I just want to quote this again because "If he changed his approach, it didn't show in the results" is so ignorantly funny.

Unless you think a couple % of K rate and a slight variance in OPS is an approach change, I don't see how that's wrong.

Or are you suggesting that his approach change took three full years to implement?

More ignorant, more funny. You're killing me the last few days.

See, some people say stupid ****, think "Damn, that was stupid" and just stop arguing about it.

You, on the other hand, say stupid ****, hopefully think "Damn, that was stupid, and turn it into a 50 page thread of dumbassery.

Thank you for being you. You are amusing. At times.

When I see your post, all I see is:

"Hi, I'm Mike, I can't actually argue the point I was trying to make, so I'll change gears and just try to make a joke."

Here are some actual funny things you said:

"Edgar Martinez walked too much"

"The feds could eliminate the deficit by issuing more debt"

LOL. So sad. Looks like somebody is trying, desperately, to change the subject. Did you finally realize how ignorantly funny you were being?

CONSPIRACY ALERT!

Mike and BL are the same person, arguing with each other just to spam the forums

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/7/2017 12:11:00 PM (view original):
LOL. So sad. Looks like somebody is trying, desperately, to change the subject. Did you finally realize how ignorantly funny you were being?

No, I'm happy to talk about strikeouts or outs in general. You're the one deflecting.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/6/2017 1:28:00 PM (view original):
I'm assuming the season after he said "I want to cut down on strikeouts" but, truthfully, I don't know. I just assumed tec knew what he was talking about. I didn't look it up.

So you don't know if he cut his K's and improved his OPS?

Are you saying tec was incorrect?

Do you think I can't look it up?

Well...you don't even know what years to compare...so I guess you could try.

FWIW, Trout never significantly cut down on his strikeouts. He's always floated around low to mid 20%. 22, 22, 19, 26, 23, 20, and then 18 this year. Even when he went from 26% to 23%, it was only a difference of 26 Ks over the course of 700+ PAs.

Looks to me he dropped from 26% of his AB to 18% of his AB. You don't think that's noticeable?

The year over year numbers aren't that different, at least not different enough to argue that a normal variance in K rate deserves credit for a slight increase in production.

2012 - 22% K - .963 OPS
2013 - 19% K - .989 OPS
2014 - 26% K - .938 OPS
2015 - 23% K - .992 OPS
2016 - 20% K - .991 OPS
2017 - 18% K - 1.071 OPS

His career average K rate is 21.5. His average OPS is .976. The biggest difference between his best year and his worst year is his home run rate.

I just want to quote this again because "If he changed his approach, it didn't show in the results" is so ignorantly funny.

I'm happy to talk about the stats you posted.

In 2014 Trout struck out 26% of the time. Let's just base it on 600 PA(to simplify at 3.7 PA per game). 156 whiffs, .938 OPS
In 2017 Trout struck out 18% of the time. Again basing it on 600 PA. 108 whiffs, 1.071 OPS.
Pretty big difference if you ask me.

Now you can argue that he decrease his K rate by 3% between 2015 and 2016. Since I don't intend to be ignorantly funny like you, I'll say "Yep, he sure did and his OPS was practically the same." But then I'll note the 3% difference between 2014 and 2015 along with the huge OPS jump. I'll also note the 2% difference between 2016 and 2017 along with the OPS jump. I'll even point out the 2012 and 2013 numbers that indicate his OPS was higher than in 2014 with that ridiculous 26% K rate.

Then I'll ask one more time. Do you think Aaron Judge, who whiffeds in over 30% of his AB in 2017, could see some Mike Trout-like improvements in OPS by cutting down on his strikeout percentage?

You are happy to talk about strikeouts and outs - just not in the context everyone else is. Not even remotely close.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/6/2017 1:28:00 PM (view original):
I'm assuming the season after he said "I want to cut down on strikeouts" but, truthfully, I don't know. I just assumed tec knew what he was talking about. I didn't look it up.

So you don't know if he cut his K's and improved his OPS?

Are you saying tec was incorrect?

Do you think I can't look it up?

Well...you don't even know what years to compare...so I guess you could try.

FWIW, Trout never significantly cut down on his strikeouts. He's always floated around low to mid 20%. 22, 22, 19, 26, 23, 20, and then 18 this year. Even when he went from 26% to 23%, it was only a difference of 26 Ks over the course of 700+ PAs.

Looks to me he dropped from 26% of his AB to 18% of his AB. You don't think that's noticeable?

The year over year numbers aren't that different, at least not different enough to argue that a normal variance in K rate deserves credit for a slight increase in production.

2012 - 22% K - .963 OPS
2013 - 19% K - .989 OPS
2014 - 26% K - .938 OPS
2015 - 23% K - .992 OPS
2016 - 20% K - .991 OPS
2017 - 18% K - 1.071 OPS

His career average K rate is 21.5. His average OPS is .976. The biggest difference between his best year and his worst year is his home run rate.

I just want to quote this again because "If he changed his approach, it didn't show in the results" is so ignorantly funny.

I'm happy to talk about the stats you posted.

In 2014 Trout struck out 26% of the time. Let's just base it on 600 PA(to simplify at 3.7 PA per game). 156 whiffs, .938 OPS
In 2017 Trout struck out 18% of the time. Again basing it on 600 PA. 108 whiffs, 1.071 OPS.
Pretty big difference if you ask me.

Now you can argue that he decrease his K rate by 3% between 2015 and 2016. Since I don't intend to be ignorantly funny like you, I'll say "Yep, he sure did and his OPS was practically the same." But then I'll note the 3% difference between 2014 and 2015 along with the huge OPS jump. I'll also note the 2% difference between 2016 and 2017 along with the OPS jump. I'll even point out the 2012 and 2013 numbers that indicate his OPS was higher than in 2014 with that ridiculous 26% K rate.

Then I'll ask one more time. Do you think Aaron Judge, who whiffeds in over 30% of his AB in 2017, could see some Mike Trout-like improvements in OPS by cutting down on his strikeout percentage?

So do you think that it took Trout three years to implement his approach change and, in the end, is what lead to him hitting home runs at a higher rate?

Because that's really why his OPS in 2017 was better.

Couldn't be. A power hitter changing his approach would hurt his power.

Posted by bad_luck on 11/7/2017 12:36:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/6/2017 1:28:00 PM (view original):
I'm assuming the season after he said "I want to cut down on strikeouts" but, truthfully, I don't know. I just assumed tec knew what he was talking about. I didn't look it up.

So you don't know if he cut his K's and improved his OPS?

Are you saying tec was incorrect?

Do you think I can't look it up?

Well...you don't even know what years to compare...so I guess you could try.

FWIW, Trout never significantly cut down on his strikeouts. He's always floated around low to mid 20%. 22, 22, 19, 26, 23, 20, and then 18 this year. Even when he went from 26% to 23%, it was only a difference of 26 Ks over the course of 700+ PAs.

Looks to me he dropped from 26% of his AB to 18% of his AB. You don't think that's noticeable?

The year over year numbers aren't that different, at least not different enough to argue that a normal variance in K rate deserves credit for a slight increase in production.

2012 - 22% K - .963 OPS
2013 - 19% K - .989 OPS
2014 - 26% K - .938 OPS
2015 - 23% K - .992 OPS
2016 - 20% K - .991 OPS
2017 - 18% K - 1.071 OPS

His career average K rate is 21.5. His average OPS is .976. The biggest difference between his best year and his worst year is his home run rate.

I just want to quote this again because "If he changed his approach, it didn't show in the results" is so ignorantly funny.

I'm happy to talk about the stats you posted.

In 2014 Trout struck out 26% of the time. Let's just base it on 600 PA(to simplify at 3.7 PA per game). 156 whiffs, .938 OPS
In 2017 Trout struck out 18% of the time. Again basing it on 600 PA. 108 whiffs, 1.071 OPS.
Pretty big difference if you ask me.

Now you can argue that he decrease his K rate by 3% between 2015 and 2016. Since I don't intend to be ignorantly funny like you, I'll say "Yep, he sure did and his OPS was practically the same." But then I'll note the 3% difference between 2014 and 2015 along with the huge OPS jump. I'll also note the 2% difference between 2016 and 2017 along with the OPS jump. I'll even point out the 2012 and 2013 numbers that indicate his OPS was higher than in 2014 with that ridiculous 26% K rate.

Then I'll ask one more time. Do you think Aaron Judge, who whiffeds in over 30% of his AB in 2017, could see some Mike Trout-like improvements in OPS by cutting down on his strikeout percentage?

So do you think that it took Trout three years to implement his approach change and, in the end, is what lead to him hitting home runs at a higher rate?

Because that's really why his OPS in 2017 was better.

Care to explain 2015/2106 lower K rates, higher OPS? Or how about 2012/2013 compared to 2014?

Seriously, you posted 6 seasons. Look at all of them and say again, please I beg of you, "If he changed his approach, it didn't show in the results". Please say that again while looking at the data YOU posted.

I assume that you agree 30% is higher than 26%.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 11/6/2017 1:28:00 PM (view original):
I'm assuming the season after he said "I want to cut down on strikeouts" but, truthfully, I don't know. I just assumed tec knew what he was talking about. I didn't look it up.

So you don't know if he cut his K's and improved his OPS?

Are you saying tec was incorrect?

Do you think I can't look it up?

Well...you don't even know what years to compare...so I guess you could try.

FWIW, Trout never significantly cut down on his strikeouts. He's always floated around low to mid 20%. 22, 22, 19, 26, 23, 20, and then 18 this year. Even when he went from 26% to 23%, it was only a difference of 26 Ks over the course of 700+ PAs.

Looks to me he dropped from 26% of his AB to 18% of his AB. You don't think that's noticeable?

The year over year numbers aren't that different, at least not different enough to argue that a normal variance in K rate deserves credit for a slight increase in production.

2012 - 22% K - .963 OPS
2013 - 19% K - .989 OPS
2014 - 26% K - .938 OPS
2015 - 23% K - .992 OPS
2016 - 20% K - .991 OPS
2017 - 18% K - 1.071 OPS

His career average K rate is 21.5. His average OPS is .976. The biggest difference between his best year and his worst year is his home run rate.

I just want to quote this again because "If he changed his approach, it didn't show in the results" is so ignorantly funny.

I'm happy to talk about the stats you posted.

In 2014 Trout struck out 26% of the time. Let's just base it on 600 PA(to simplify at 3.7 PA per game). 156 whiffs, .938 OPS
In 2017 Trout struck out 18% of the time. Again basing it on 600 PA. 108 whiffs, 1.071 OPS.
Pretty big difference if you ask me.

Now you can argue that he decrease his K rate by 3% between 2015 and 2016. Since I don't intend to be ignorantly funny like you, I'll say "Yep, he sure did and his OPS was practically the same." But then I'll note the 3% difference between 2014 and 2015 along with the huge OPS jump. I'll also note the 2% difference between 2016 and 2017 along with the OPS jump. I'll even point out the 2012 and 2013 numbers that indicate his OPS was higher than in 2014 with that ridiculous 26% K rate.

Then I'll ask one more time. Do you think Aaron Judge, who whiffeds in over 30% of his AB in 2017, could see some Mike Trout-like improvements in OPS by cutting down on his strikeout percentage?

So do you think that it took Trout three years to implement his approach change and, in the end, is what lead to him hitting home runs at a higher rate?

Because that's really why his OPS in 2017 was better.

Care to explain 2015/2106 lower K rates, higher OPS? Or how about 2012/2013 compared to 2014?

Seriously, you posted 6 seasons. Look at all of them and say again, please I beg of you, "If he changed his approach, it didn't show in the results". Please say that again while looking at the data YOU posted.

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Care to explain 2015/2106 lower K rates, higher OPS?

? His OPS was the same in 2016 as it was in 2015, despite the lower K rate.

Or how about 2012/2013 compared to 2014?

His 2013 OPS is essentially the same as his 2015 OPS despite the lower K rate.

If you're being honest, you know that there really isn't much difference between a .989 OPS and a .963 OPS.

Also, if you're being honest, you know that the biggest variance in his OPS is due to an increased home run rate. I genuinely doubt that you are trying to make the argument that lower his K rate increased his home run rate.

Care to explain 2015/2106 lower K rates, higher OPS as compared to 2014(you know, when he said he was going to change his approach)?

If you're being honest, we can only go by the numbers. .989 is better than .963. 26% is higher than 19%.

But you know what is required to hit a homer? Contact. IOW, not striking out. Do you disagree?

Posted by MikeT23 on 11/7/2017 12:52:00 PM (view original):
Care to explain 2015/2106 lower K rates, higher OPS as compared to 2014(you know, when he said he was going to change his approach)?

If you're being honest, we can only go by the numbers. .989 is better than .963. 26% is higher than 19%.

But you know what is required to hit a homer? Contact. IOW, not striking out. Do you disagree?

Wait, I have to explain the 2014 to 2015 lower K/higher OPS but you don't have to explain the 2015 to 2016 lower K/same OPS???