Rule V Leg #58 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Twins have become a powerhouse the last three seasons), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise).
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series.
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and present.
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first.

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him at least five drafts)
11/15/2017 5:40 AM
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Player Draft Order - Franchises selected are in RED.
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 9 549 909 0.3765
2 D'backs 19 1372 1706 0.4457
3 Tigers 29 2202 2498 0.4685
4 White Sox 15 1146 1284 0.4716
5 Pirates 26 2001 2211 0.4751
6 Rockies 15 1166 1264 0.4798
7 Rangers 22 1728 1837 0.4847
8 Angels 22 1740 1824 0.4882
9 Twins 30 2374 2488 0.4883
10 Brewers 29 2303 2398 0.4899
11 Marlins 25 1997 2055 0.4928
12 Orioles 32 2565 2620 0.4947
13 Expos 39 3145 3176 0.4975
14 Blue Jays 35 2826 2846 0.4982
15 Mariners 36 2916 2918 0.4998
16 Indians 37 3001 2994 0.5006
17 Padres 30 2439 2422 0.5017
18 Red Sox 39 3177 3142 0.5028
19 Phillies 38 3118 3041 0.5063
20 Cubs 30 2468 2392 0.5078
21 Mets 36 2976 2857 0.5102
22 Braves 38 3143 3013 0.5106
23 Giants 38 3151 3008 0.5116
24 Royals 34 2821 2690 0.5119
25 Reds 31 2575 2448 0.5126
26 Cardinals 39 3281 3038 0.5192
27 Yankees 35 2957 2713 0.5215
28 Dodgers 38 3236 2922 0.5255
29 A's 39 3365 2955 0.5324
30 Astros 39 3447 2872 0.5455
11/20/2017 7:58 PM (edited)
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Franchise Draft Order (timed schedule Friday 11/17)
  1. tridentric 38-124 .235 Houston Astros^
  2. spoonfed 63-99 .389 Oakland Athletics^
  3. mussopini23 71-91 .438 Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals^
  4. newarkwilder 75-87 .463 Philadelphia Phillies^
  5. ChitownBluz 76-86 .469 Arizona Diamondbacks^
  6. laramiebob 77-85 .475 Seattle Mariners^
  7. llcoach 77-85 .475 Kansas City Royals^
  8. alleyviper 79.83 .487 Pittsburgh Pirates^
  9. alice 80-82 .494 Los Angeles Angels^
  10. specsman 80-82 .494 Minnesota Twins^
  11. spikeboots 82-80 .506 New York Yankees^
  12. pumpkinmcp 82-80 .506 Texas Rangers^
  13. sinfonian11 83-79 .512 Los Angeles Dodgers^
  14. moses_k 85-78 .521 Cleveland Indians^
  15. Chisock 86-76 .525 Boston Red Sox^
  16. nordawg 87-75 .531 Detroit Tigers^
  17. buddhagamer 80-82 .494* St. Louis Cardinals^
  18. schwarze 86-77 .528* Atlanta Braves^
  19. deathdealer 90-72 .556* Toronto Blue Jays^
  20. tjefferson 91-71 .562* Cincinnati Reds^
  21. ff09 95-67 .586* Chicago Cubs^
  22. dilligafdbp 100-62 .617* Chicago White Sox^
  23. shaybee 88-74 .543& Tampa Bay Rays^
  24. rbow923 94-68 .580$ Miami Marlins^
*playoff team
& WS runner-up
$ WS Champ

^Third round keeper sent

NL East: Expos/Nats, Phillies, Braves, Marlins
NL Central: Rays, Cardinals, Cubs, Pirates
NL West: Reds, Dodgers, Astros, Diamondbacks

AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Tigers
AL Central: Indians, Twins, Royals, White Sox
AL West: Mariners, Athletics, Angels, Rangers

Owner list for sitemailing: tridentric; spoonfed; mussopini23; newarkwilder; ChitownBluz; laramiebob; llcoach; alleyviper; alice; specsman; spikeboots; pumpkinmcp; sinfonian11; moses_k; Chisock; nordawg; buddhagamer; schwarze; deathdealer; tjefferson; ff09; dilligafdbp; shaybee; rbow923
11/29/2017 1:36 PM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule starts Wednesday 11/22)
  1. shaybee - Tampa Bay Rays: Kevin Brown - LAD
  2. ChitownBluz - Arizona Diamondbacks: Bill Singer - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  3. nordawg - Detroit Tigers: Carl Yastrzemski - BOS
  4. dilligafdbp - Chicago White Sox: Mike Norris - OAK
  5. alleyviper - Pittsburgh Pirates: Jeff Bagwell - HOU
  6. pumpkinmcp - Texas Rangers: Darin Erstad - LAA
  7. alice - Los Angeles Angels: Nomar Garciaparra - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  8. specsman - Minnesota Twins: David Cone - KCR
  9. rbow923 - Miami Marlins: Larry Dierker - HOU (Astros off the board)
  10. mussopini23 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Derek Jeter - NYY
  11. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Johnny Cueto - CIN
  12. laramiebob - Seattle Mariners: Sam McDowell - CLE
  13. moses_k - Cleveland Indians: Joe Torre - STL
  14. Chisock - Boston Red Sox: Chuck Knoblauch - MIN
  15. newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies: Giancarlo Stanton - MIA
  16. ff09 - Chicago Cubs: Alex Rodriguez - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  17. schwarze - Atlanta Braves: Curt Schilling - PHI
  18. llcoach - Kansas City Royals: Jason Giambi - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  19. tjefferson - Cincinnati Reds: Stephen Strasburg - MON/WSH
  20. buddhagamer - St. Louis Cardinals: HWMNBN - CIN (Reds off the board)
  21. spikeboots - New York Yankees: Ozzie Smith - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  22. sinfonian11 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Roberto Alomar - TOR
  23. spoonfed - Oakland Athletics: Mike Piazza - MIA (Marlins off the board)
  24. tridentric - Houston Astros: Tim Burke - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule starts Tuesday 11/28)
  1. shaybee - Tampa Bay Rays: Fritz Peterson - NYY
  2. ChitownBluz - Arizona Diamondbacks: Andrew Miller - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  3. nordawg - Detroit Tigers: Jerry Reuss - LAD
  4. dilligafdbp - Chicago White Sox: Craig Biggio - HOU
  5. alleyviper - Pittsburgh Pirates: TSMOPOAT - HOU (Astros off the board)
  6. pumpkinmcp - Texas Rangers: Fred Lynn - BOS
  7. alice - Los Angeles Angels: Julio Franco - TEX
  8. specsman - Minnesota Twins: Tim Hudson - OAK
  9. rbow923 - Miami Marlins: Fernando Valenzuela - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  10. mussopini23 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Rafael Palmeiro - TEX (Rangers off the board)
  11. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Jose Ramirez - CLE
  12. laramiebob - Seattle Mariners: Jim Rice - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  13. moses_k - Cleveland Indians: Craig Kimbrel - ATL
  14. Chisock - Boston Red Sox: Cliff Lee - SEA
  15. newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies: Adam Wainwright - STL
  16. ff09 - Chicago Cubs: Barry Larkin - CIN
  17. schwarze - Atlanta Braves: Ted Simmons - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  18. llcoach - Kansas City Royals: Rafael Furcal - ATL (Braves off the board)
  19. tjefferson - Cincinnati Reds: Manny Ramirez - CLE (Indians off the board)
  20. buddhagamer - St. Louis Cardinals: Josh Donaldson - TOR
  21. spikeboots - New York Yankees: JJ Putz - SEA (Mariners off the board)
  22. sinfonian11 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Victor Martinez - DET
  23. spoonfed - Oakland Athletics: Roger Nelson - KCR
  24. tridentric - Houston Astros: Darrell Porter - KCR (Royals off the board)
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule starts Thursday 11/29)
  1. shaybee - Tampa Bay Rays: Billy Williams - CHC
  2. ChitownBluz - Arizona Diamondbacks: Gary Carter - MON/WSH
  3. nordawg - Detroit Tigers: Jim Edmonds - STL
  4. dilligafdbp - Chicago White Sox: Rickey Henderson - NYY
  5. alleyviper - Pittsburgh Pirates: Kyle Hendricks - CHC (Cubs off the board)
  6. pumpkinmcp - Texas Rangers: Hideo Nomo - LAD
  7. alice - Los Angeles Angels: Jason Kendall - PIT
  8. specsman - Minnesota Twins: Mario Soto - CIN
  9. rbow923 - Miami Marlins: Cesar Cedeno - HOU
  10. mussopini23 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Cliff Lee - PHI
  11. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Don Wilson - HOU (Astros off the board)
  12. laramiebob - Seattle Mariners: Mariano Rivera - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  13. moses_k - Cleveland Indians: Jered Weaver - LAA
  14. Chisock - Boston Red Sox: Carlos Carrasco - CLE
  15. newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies: Chris Sale - BOS
  16. ff09 - Chicago Cubs: Vladimir Guerrero - LAA (Angels off the board)
  17. schwarze - Atlanta Braves: Rafael Furcal - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  18. llcoach - Kansas City Royals: David Robertson - CHW
  19. tjefferson - Cincinnati Reds: AFTBOAT - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  20. buddhagamer - St. Louis Cardinals: Craig Kimbrel - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  21. spikeboots - New York Yankees: Koji Uehara - TEX
  22. sinfonian11 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Francisco Lindor - CLE (Indians off the board)
  23. spoonfed - Oakland Athletics: Michael Young - TEX (Rangers off the board)
  24. tridentric - Houston Astros: Brian Giles - PIT (Pirates off the board)
12/2/2017 3:31 PM (edited)
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List of keepers/draftees

shaybee - Tampa Bay Rays: James Shields, Fernando Rodney, Evan Longoria, Ben Zobrist, Carlos Pena, Kevin Brown - LAD, Randy Winn, Fritz Peterson - NYY, Joaquin Benoit, Billy Williams - CHC

ChitownBluz - Arizona Diamondbacks: Luis Gonzalez, Paul Goldschmidt, Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Dan Haren, Bill Singer - LAD, Brandon Webb, Andrew Miller - NYY, AJ Pollock, Gary Carter - MON/WSH

nordawg - Detroit Tigers: Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Miguel Cabrera, Magglio Ordonez, Alan Trammell, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS, Tony Phillips, Jerry Reuss - LAD, Doug Fister, Jim Edmonds - STL

dilligafdbp - Chicago White Sox: Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, Magglio Ordonez, Chris Sale, Wilbur Wood, Mike Norris - OAK, Robin Ventura, Craig Biggio - HOU, Esteban Loaiza, Rickey Henderson - NYY

alleyviper - Pittsburgh Pirates: Barry Bonds, Willie Stargell, Freddie Sanchez, Rick Reuschel, Goose Gossage, Jeff Bagwell - HOU, Doug Drabek, TSMOPOAT - HOU, Zane Smith, Kyle Hendricks - CHC

pumpkinmcp - Texas Rangers: Nolan Ryan, Alex Rodriguez, Mike Napoli, Adrian Beltre, Josh Hamilton, Darin Erstad - LAA, Mike Adams, Fred Lynn - BOS, Fergie Jenkins, Hideo Nomo - LAD

alice - Los Angeles Angels: TSMOPOAT, Frank Tanana, Mike Witt, Andy Messersmith, Mike Trout, Nomar Garciaparra - BOS, Bryan Harvey, Julio Franco - TEX, Chone Figgins, Jason Kendall - PIT

specsman - Minnesota Twins: Bert Blyleven, Johan Santana, Joe Mauer, Rod Carew, Kirby Puckett, David Cone - KCR, Joe Nathan, Tim Hudson - OAK, Francisco Liriano, Mario Soto - CIN

rbow923 - Miami Marlins: Kevin Brown, Jose Fernandez, Dee Gordon, Hanley Ramirez, Miguel Cabrera, Larry Dierker - HOU, Josh Johnson, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Gary Sheffield, Cesar Cedeno - HOU

mussopini23 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Pedro Martinez, Max Scherzer, Tim Raines, Bryce Harper, Daniel Murphy, Derek Jeter - NYY, Pascual Perez, Rafael Palmeiro - TEX, Vladimir Guerrero, Cliff Lee - PHI

deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Roger Clemens, Tony Fernandez, John Olerud, Carlos Delgado, Jose Bautista, Johnny Cueto - CIN, Mark Eichhorn, Jose Ramirez - CLE, BJ Ryan, Don Wilson - HOU

laramiebob - Seattle Mariners: Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Ichiro Suzuki, Sam McDowell - CLE, Edgar Martinez, Jim Rice - BOS, Robinson Cano, Mariano Rivera - NYY

moses_k - Cleveland Indians: Corey Kluber, Gaylord Perry, Kenny Lofton, Roberto Alomar, Albert Belle, Joe Torre - STL, Jim Thome, Craig Kimbrel - ATL, Andrew Miller, Jered Weaver - LAA

Chisock - Boston Red Sox: Carlton Fisk, Wade Boggs, Rico Petrocelli, Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Chuck Knoblauch - MIN, Derek Lowe, Cliff Lee - SEA, Manny Ramirez, Carlos Carrasco - CLE

newarkwilder - Philadelphia Phillies: Mike Schmidt, Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, Lenny Dykstra, Steve Carlton, Giancarlo Stanton - MIA, Jimmy Rollins, Adam Wainwright - STL, Roy Halladay, Chris Sale - BOS

ff09 - Chicago Cubs: Jake Arrieta, Greg Maddux, Ryne Sandberg, Derek Lee, Sammy Sosa, Alex Rodriguez - NYY, Aroldis Chapman, Barry Larkin - CIN, Rick Wilkins, Vladimir Guerrero - LAA

schwarze - Atlanta Braves: Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Kevin Millwood, Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Curt Schilling - PHI, JD Drew, Ted Simmons - STL, Mark Texeira, Rafael Furcal - LAD

llcoach - Kansas City Royals: George Brett, Willie Wilson, Kevin Appier, Bret Saberhagen, Zack Greinke, Jason Giambi - OAK, Wade Davis, Rafael Furcal - ATL, Johnny Damon, David Robertson - CHW

tjefferson - Cincinnati Reds: Tom Seaver, Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Joey Votto, Eric Davis, Stephen Strasburg - MON/WSH, George Foster, Manny Ramirez - CLE, Jose Rijo, AFTBOAT - STL

buddhagamer - St. Louis Cardinals: Mark McGwire, Willie McGee, Albert Pujols, John Tudor, Bob Gibson, HWMNBN - CIN, Chris Carpenter, Josh Donaldson - TOR, Yadier Molina, Craig Kimbrel - BOS

spikeboots - New York Yankees: Catfish Hunter, Ron Guidry, Robinson Cano, Bernie Williams, Paul O'Neill, Ozzie Smith - STL, Dave Righetti, JJ Putz - SEA, Goose Gossage, Koji Uehara - TEX

sinfonian11 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Mike Piazza, Don Sutton, Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Orel Hershiser, Roberto Alomar - TOR, Kenley Jansen, Victor Martinez - DET, Takashi Saito, Francisco Lindor - CLE

spoonfed - Oakland Athletics: Mark McGwire, Rickey Henderson, Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Dennis Eckersley, Mike Piazza - MIA, Jose Canseco, Roger Nelson - KCR, Reggie Jackson, Michael Young - TEX

tridentric - Houston Astros: Jose Altuve, Lance Berkman, Mike Scott, JR Richard, Roger Clemens, Tim Burke - MON/WSH, Don Sutton, Darrell Porter - KCR, Billy Wagner, Brian Giles - PIT
12/2/2017 3:30 PM (edited)
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So todays untimed draft seems to be a big bust so far. Are we gonna have time draft tomorrow?
11/16/2017 5:34 PM
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Posted by spikeboots on 11/16/2017 5:34:00 PM (view original):
So todays untimed draft seems to be a big bust so far. Are we gonna have time draft tomorrow?
Yes. Sigh...
11/16/2017 8:45 PM
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Sitemail sent with timed schedule. It's also noted above. Franchise draft, take two (ACTION).
11/16/2017 8:51 PM
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sorry been in the hospital with some health issues. had limited internet and focused on the 2 leagues I am running. My apologies to all.

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11/16/2017 9:30 PM
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Posted by tridentric on 11/16/2017 9:30:00 PM (view original):
sorry been in the hospital with some health issues. had limited internet and focused on the 2 leagues I am running. My apologies to all.

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Quite all right, Rick. Hope you're feeling better.
11/16/2017 9:51 PM
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Oakland A's
11/17/2017 9:39 AM
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Are these times EST?
11/17/2017 11:14 AM
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Posted by laramiebob on 11/17/2017 11:14:00 AM (view original):
Are these times EST?
Yes, all times are server time which is EST.
11/17/2017 11:48 AM
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Then I believe that puts me up now. For my 3rd season in this league I'll take my 3rd different franchise. Hopefully 3rd times the charm as we've not seen the playoffs yet. I'll go with the Mariners.
11/17/2017 12:35 PM
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sorry all, had a preso at work - but I will go away from my heart (Braves fan) & select an arch nemesis - Give me the Expos / Nats
11/17/2017 12:54 PM
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