ODL 66 Evals Topic

I will let ben et al handle the qualitative analysis, but I will aggregate some general data here as a starting point.

ADP is based on the last six seasons so players with great 16/17 seasons are a little hurt since there was only one ODL featuring them.

For team summary information, I had to go with some generic rule for choosing which season is displayed. I went with GameScore/82 (GS/82) but those are often reasonably expensive seasons and in many cases, especially the later rounds, may not reflect the season chosen.

Trade Analysis:
1) The first one to discuss is the one that received the commisioner veto. That was:
ben receives cjok's 1, 5, 6, 6
cjok receives ben's 2, 3, 6, 6
Personally, even though I thought this was a bad trade, I did not think it was necessary to veto it. If you look in ODL history, there hasn't been one quite like this but there have been some similar enough. I think we should establish tougher rules on this to just prevent the controversy. But maybe I am the type of person that doesn't mind a lot of regulation. The general outline of the trade is a fair one, I just think the fact that the first round pick was so high and the second round pick so low that it didn't fit the general framework of what would make that trade generally fair. I suspect ben's commentary on it being associated with him (and giving him some advantage) was partially true. My personal opinion was that the personal nature of it had very little to do with people thinking he is some sort of savant who can't get an advantage and more to do with him having a long history of being involved in controversial trades. It doesn't help that cjok himself is a pretty controversial trader. But I generally dislike trying to think about problems from a personal nature like that and both owners are experienced and really good guys. I think had it gone through, ben would have gotten Curry and Rodman and I think even not having another pick until the 4th round he could have made a pretty unstoppable team with those two... since they compliment each other as well as any two players in the sim.

2) bds9992 receives robusk's 1, 2, 4, 6, 6
robusk receives bds9992's 1, 2, 4, 6, 6

bds moves up 6 places in the first round. robusk moves up 6 places in the 2nd, 4th and 6th round. Essentially, this was the Rodman trade. Rodman fell way too far and was a great value at that point. robusk didn't want to build around him so he got a little value in the later rounds while bds got value in the 1st. It's a pretty blah trade.
12/21/2017 2:10 PM (edited)
Selection Pick Owner Pick v. ADP
Chamberlain, Wilt 1 uptowngbv -0.33
James, LeBron 2 mikee1 0.00
Curry, Stephen 3 cjok1051 0.33
Jordan, Michael 4 gerryred -0.33
O'Neal, Shaquille 5 milest -1.50
Malone, Karl 6 ysw128 -3.00
Howard, Dwight 7 jcred5 -1.83
Paul, Chris 8 benhoidal -3.33
Abdul-Jabbar, Kareem 9 scudmissle 2.50
Malone, Moses 10 24kpyrite 1.83
Harden, James 11 sixernuggets -45.17
Durant, Kevin 12 pharrop -2.00
Robinson, David 13 vancem 0.17
Stockton, John 14 twinsfan8791 -2.67
Bird, Larry 15 Midge 0.50
Rodman, Dennis 16 bds9992 6.50
Antetokounmpo, Giannis 17 dh555 -3.00
Barkley, Charles 18 jkaye24 5.17
Leonard, Kawhi 19 seapilots -16.67
Gilmore, Artis 20 pointfwd -12.33
Johnson, Magic 21 robusk 5.17
Jordan, Deandre 22 rjk2781 -2.17
Pippen, Scottie 23 copernicus -3.83
Garnett, Kevin 24 rubnsly 5.33
Billups, Chauncey 25 rubnsly -6.83
Gobert, Rudy 26 copernicus -27.17
Green, Draymond 27 rjk2781 -8.83
Duncan, Tim 28 robusk 6.17
Hardaway, Anfernee 29 pointfwd 3.83
Whiteside, Hassan 30 seapilots -14.67
Kidd, Jason 31 jkaye24 6.33
Wade, Dwyane 32 dh555 13.50
Walton, Bill 33 bds9992 -8.00
Wallace, Ben 34 Midge 6.83
McHale, Kevin 35 twinsfan8791 -6.17
Thompson, Klay 36 vancem -12.17
Mutombo, Dikembe 37 pharrop -12.50
Towns, Karl-Anthony 38 sixernuggets -28.00
Russell, Bill 39 24kpyrite 7.67
Williams, Deron 40 scudmissle 0.17
Nash, Steve 41 benhoidal 9.67
Porter, Terry 42 jcred5 -2.83
Marshall, Donyell 43 ysw128 -9.17
Lowry, Kyle 44 milest -48.40
Drummond, Andre 45 gerryred -5.17
Ginobili, Manu 46 cjok1051 1.50
Stoudemire, Amare 47 mikee1 -10.50
McAdoo, Bob 48 uptowngbv 10.50
Blaylock, Mookie 49 uptowngbv 7.83
Camby, Marcus 50 mikee1 8.17
Davis, Anthony 51 cjok1051 16.33
Erving, Julius 52 gerryred 21.83
Conley, Mike 53 milest -28.00
Frazier, Walt 54 ysw128 -18.33
Payton, Gary 55 jcred5 0.00
Allen, Ray 56 twinsfan8791 -15.50
Love, Kevin 57 scudmissle -10.80
Marion, Shawn 58 24kpyrite 11.50
Drexler, Clyde 59 sixernuggets -14.33
Brand, Elton 60 pharrop 14.67
Ward, Charlie 61 vancem -8.50
Noah, Joakim 62 benhoidal 6.17
Nowitzki, Dirk 63 Midge -10.33
Harper, Derek 64 robusk 8.50
Olajuwon, Hakeem 65 dh555 33.33
Kemp, Shawn 66 jkaye24 16.83
Chandler, Tyson 67 cjok1051 14.17
Grant, Horace 68 pointfwd -7.00
Ewing, Patrick 69 bds9992 -16.50
McGrady, Tracy 70 rjk2781 -7.33
Jones, Bobby 71 copernicus 1.83
Brandon, Terrell 72 rubnsly -13.00
Jokic, Nikola 73 rubnsly -39.00
Price, Mark 74 copernicus -11.83
Rondo, Rajon 75 rjk2781 1.00
Ibaka, Serge 76 robusk -8.67
Gasol, Pau 77 pointfwd -24.33
Boerwinkle, Tom 78 seapilots 11.33
Wallace, Gerald 79 jkaye24 -16.50
Rollins, Tree 80 dh555 -9.25
Robertson, Oscar 81 bds9992 40.20
Calderon, Jose 82 Midge -12.83
Ray, Clifford 83 benhoidal 10.67
Williams, Buck 84 vancem -5.67
Cheeks, Maurice 85 pharrop 9.33
Reed, Willis 86 sixernuggets -24.67
Barry, Brent 87 24kpyrite -2.17
Jones, Eddie 88 scudmissle -2.33
Hill, Grant 89 benhoidal 1.00
Nance, Larry 90 jcred5 21.50
Bogut, Andrew 91 ysw128 1.50
Sanders, Larry 92 milest 0.40
Odom, Lamar 93 gerryred -18.67
Kirilenko, Andrei 94 seapilots 25.00
Iguodala, Andre 95 mikee1 -14.00
Bell, Raja 96 uptowngbv -39.00
Dumars, Joe 97 uptowngbv -27.50
Webber, Chris 98 mikee1 21.17
McMillan, Nate 99 seapilots -10.83
Bogues, Muggsy 100 gerryred -36.00
George, Paul 101 pointfwd #N/A
Przybilla, Joel 102 ysw128 -13.00
Green, Danny 103 jcred5 2.00
Unseld, Wes 104 twinsfan8791 -7.20
Hawkins, Connie 105 scudmissle 17.00
Bryant, Kobe 106 24kpyrite 34.75
Dunn, T.R. 107 sixernuggets #N/A
Batum, Nicolas 108 pharrop -10.00
Smith, J.R. 109 vancem -2.50
Maxwell, Cedric 110 twinsfan8791 -24.00
Christie, Doug 111 Midge #N/A
Humphries, Kris 112 robusk 13.83
Outlaw, Bo 113 dh555 -3.83
Dalembert, Samuel 114 jkaye24 -7.00
Hill, George 115 seapilots -4.00
Edge, Charlie 116 milest 16.75
Johnson, Joe 117 bds9992 -4.00
Pierce, Paul 118 rjk2781 25.75
Boozer, Carlos 119 copernicus 30.20
Ceballos, Cedric 120 rubnsly -6.00
Davis, Dale 121 rubnsly 6.00
Lee, David 121 rubnsly -17.00
Anderson, Kenny 122 copernicus -19.00
Bynum, Andrew 122 copernicus 32.00
Johnson, Kevin 123 rjk2781 44.70
Biyombo, Bismack 123 rjk2781 11.70
Anderson, Ryan 124 robusk 2.50
Mirotic, Nikola 124 robusk #N/A
Smith, Michael 125 milest -4.80
Beverley, Patrick 125 milest #N/A
Gasol, Marc 126 seapilots #N/A
Horford, Al 126 cjok1051 0.00
Miller, Oliver 127 jkaye24 3.90
Gatling, Chris 127 jkaye24 8.40
Tarpley, Roy 128 dh555 -0.60
McGuire, Dominic 128 dh555 #N/A
West, Delonte 129 bds9992 #N/A
Robinson, Nate 129 bds9992 #N/A
Nelson, Jameer 130 Midge 7.20
West, David 130 Midge #N/A
Kukoc, Toni 131 twinsfan8791 -4.45
Kerr, Steve 131 twinsfan8791 #N/A
Tinsley, Jamaal 132 vancem 9.70
Varejao, Anderson 132 vancem 3.70
McKie, Aaron 133 pharrop #N/A
Wesley, David 133 pharrop #N/A
Nater, Swen 134 sixernuggets 6.10
Williams, Mo 134 sixernuggets #N/A
Mourning, Alonzo 135 24kpyrite 95.10
Beaubois, Rodrigue 135 24kpyrite 4.10
Parish, Robert 136 scudmissle 58.10
Watson, Earl 136 scudmissle 5.33
Rose, Jalen 137 benhoidal #N/A
Sabonis, Arvydas 137 benhoidal 31.83
Eaton, Mark 138 jcred5 28.00
Griffin, Blake 138 jcred5 18.07
Embiid, Joel 139 ysw128 48.90
Porter, Kevin 139 ysw128 10.40
Les, Jim 140 pointfwd 5.40
Bullard, Matt 140 pointfwd #N/A
Roundfield, Dan 141 gerryred 21.13
Marshall, Kendall 141 gerryred 14.30
Redd, Michael 142 cjok1051 14.20
O'Quinn, Kyle 142 cjok1051 20.97
Anthony, Carmelo 143 mikee1 43.00
Terry, Jason 143 mikee1 39.40
Covington, Robert 144 uptowngbv #N/A
Davis, Antonio 144 uptowngbv #N/A
12/15/2017 1:02 PM (edited)
24kpyrite After Round 2: Obviously 24kpyrite has his rebounds and frontcourt defense in good shape. Right now, I would be pretty concerned about finding a combination of perimeter shooting and defense that is going to work. If he can get one multi-positional defender and then two elite/low-d shooters in the next few rounds then he could make this workable.

After Round 4: Barry was a really good pick. You probably could have gone with a better scorer than Marion given that you didn't need the boards quite as much but I like the pick as well. You will crush the glass and looks like you can get enough threes. This team is in good shape so far.

Final Assessment: Mourning and Beaubois are great picks! Kobe is… yowzers man. A team crushing pick. This team, I mean, 6 out of the 7 picks are good. That is awesome. 1 pick is just team destroying. I don’t know… maybe you have the boards to make it work. It will be cool to see one way or the other.

Verdict: C, not in the playoffs
Malone, Moses 10
Russell, Bill 39
Marion, Shawn 58
Barry, Brent 87
Bryant, Kobe 106
Mourning, Alonzo 135
Beaubois, Rodrigue 135
bds9992 After Round 2: This is going to be tricky and not too different from 24k's situation. He has limited usage and shooting after two rounds. I specifically avoid Rodman in a draft like these because he pigeonholes the rest of your draft. You either aren't going to get enough threes or enough backcourt defense. I think someone like Klay Thompson or Deron Williams would have been a more sensible pairing at this point. Bds can afford a pretty bricky backcourt now given these two rebounding behemoths up front. He could still make this work.

After Round 4: Let me start by emphasizing this isn't personal because based on everything I have seen, bds seems like a really good dude. But holy hell, I would be hard pressed to find a team that made less sense to me. I mean, it seems like his strategy is to just go rebound crazy given that front line and guard choice. But this team is going to be expensize as hell, foul and turn the ball over a ton and shoot no threes.

Final assessment: Well, bds is confident at least. He thinks he can pound on some more threes in the bench and presumably make the backcourt defense work. I am dubious but it will be fun to watch.

Verdict: D- (but an A in my heart), not a playoff team
Rodman, Dennis 16
Walton, Bill 33
Ewing, Patrick 69
Robertson, Oscar 81
Johnson, Joe 117
West, Delonte 129
Robinson, Nate 129
benhoidal After Round 2: Ben is one of the 3-5 best owners in this format if not the best. So, you can sometimes assume he is playing 5-dimensional chess. That being said, I am curious about this allocation of resources. Paul is a pretty good pairing with Nash in the sense that, if you don't mind a tiny hit on positional effectiveness (which you shouldn't) he can defend the best backcourt opponent and negate Nash's defense. Ben can also focus on high efficiency, high boards, low usage guys in the front court. He should have plenty of shooting. However, he has a lot of money devoted to assists and I feel like he is going to get diminishing returns on that.

After Round 4: Ben is going for it! I haven't played in the ODL much, so I Haven;t seen anyone try the State Farm strategy in it. Ben says it has been tried three times: twice in collasol failure and once making the playoffs. I tried the Noah/Ray combo once to limited success. Hill was a nice pickup even if he is a flawed sim player. I haven't ran the numbers but I suspect this team is a little pricier than ben wants at this stage but if anyone will make it work it is him.

Final Assessment: We are making it too easy for ben. Rose is such a smart and logical pick and Sabonis was drafted appallingly late for his skills. I am annoyed that he is going to pull this off.

Verdict: B+, firmly in the playoffs
Paul, Chris 8
Nash, Steve 41
Noah, Joakim 62
Ray, Clifford 83
Hill, Grant 89
Rose, Jalen 137
Sabonis, Arvydas 137
cjok1051 After Round 2: Well, cjok certainly has threes covered. Manu and Steph are two of the most efficient guards out there and both defends reasonably well. Honestly, they even rebound okay for their respective positions. Cjok's team will be able to score and score in bunches. Now he just must see if he can get some rebounds.

After Round 4: Man, this team is so good. This is maybe the best base after this stage in the game. Hopefully cjok doesn’t make any crazy Westbrook style decisions to close it out because I can’t wait to see how this team performs. I would hate to be in a division with these guys. As stated, the backcourt is awesome. Davis and Chandler are a great option in terms of defense and covering a little of everything up front. My only concern would be that he seems a little light on minutes so far and he has spent quite a bit on usage.

Final Assessment: There are so many smart picks here. Every player is good. Here is my one nitpick though – what is the point of some of them on this team? Curry has 8 points of usage, Manu has 6, Davis has 6, Redd has 4, O’Quinn and Horford each have 2. So, you are going to roll out a starting lineup of 23 points of usage? Or you are going to start scrubs? A lot of smart picks but this is sub-optimal distribution of your resources and you are going to take shots away from good players

Verdict: C+, will probably make the playoffs but not as confident as I once was.
Curry, Stephen 3
Ginobili, Manu 46
Davis, Anthony 51
Chandler, Tyson 67
Horford, Al 126
Redd, Michael 142
O'Quinn, Kyle 142
copernicus After Round 2: I love Rudy in this format. I am lukewarm on Pippen in this format. Rudy is an elite defender, great rebounder, high efficiency player, without a glaring weakness on something like free throws. Plus, you now have Pippen who can credibly defend four positions so copernicus already has defense covered for the opponents best two players. That is awesome and a preferred strategy of mine. I just love Pippen more as a second banana instead of offensive lead and I will be curious to see who copernicus adds next.

After Round 4: Jones does everything well except generate threes. Price is a pretty efficient point guard who I generally like quite a lot. This is a pretty strong four. I would like to think that Pippen will be at the 2 and Jones at the 3. If it is going to be Jones at the 4 and Pippen at the 3, I don’t like this team nearly as much.

Final assessment: Boozer and Bynum were really excellent picks for this team. Very impressive to land them at that stage of the draft. The Kenny Anderson pick doesn’t really move the needle for me one way or the other.

Verdict: B+, playoff team
Pippen, Scottie 23
Gobert, Rudy 26
Jones, Bobby 71
Price, Mark 74
Boozer, Carlos 119
Bynum, Andrew 122
Anderson, Kenny 122
dh555 After Round 2: dh555 is another owner in the elite 3-5 owners in this format. He knows what he is doing. However, he now has two perimeter slots allocated to two guys who don't shoot threes. Yes, they are elite defenders and do a lot of everything else. I am just not convinced he can get enough threes to make this team elite moving forward. I suspect he will prove me wrong though.

After Round 4: Again, DH gets the benefit of the doubt. This is an all defense, no threes team. I am not a fan of Hakeem in WIS (loved him in real life) because he doesn’t shoot a great percentage, plus has lots of TOs and fouls. But, dh is rolling out some extreme defense (with good boards) and I trust him to make it work.

Final assessment: dh is keeping with his strategy of all defense, no threes. I don’t know how it will work, I will play a -2 all day against this team and hope to not get slaughtered at the free throw line. Still, dh is sneaky…

Verdict: C-, not in the playoffs but I could see him sneaking in on guile alone.
Antetokounmpo, Giannis 17
Wade, Dwyane 32
Olajuwon, Hakeem 65
Rollins, Tree 80
Outlaw, Bo 113
Tarpley, Roy 128
McGuire, Dominic 128
gerryred After Round 2: Jordan and Drummond are a great start. It would be nice if Drummond had a better defensive rating in his best seasons but he rebounds well and shoots from the field at a high clip. Jordan, while an elite player, can be defended a little easier than some of the other high picks due to how much of his scoring comes from the mid-range. That is really nit picking though because he is so awesome everywhere else.

After Round 5: Okay, maybe this is nitpicking, but he is my issue with this team. If you are using the right seasons, then most of your usage is coming from Jordan and Erving. Both of those guys generate the bulk of their points from the midrange. Even the secondary scorers are Odom and Bogues which are midrange heavy. There aren’t enough threes or boards here to punish me from playing a 0 defense which makes this team too easy to gameplan against. Each piece individually is good but I don’t like the sum of the parts.

Final Assessment: Roundfield and Marshall don’t really move the needle for me on what I was already thinking. I like the players but I think this team is too easy to gameplan against and doesn’t have enough diversity.

Verdict: C-, not in the playoffs
Jordan, Michael 4
Drummond, Andre 45
Erving, Julius 52
Odom, Lamar 93
Bogues, Muggsy 100
Roundfield, Dan 141
Marshall, Kendall 141
jcred5 After Round 2: I am fine with both of these. I mean, jcred is a top notch owner. Both players are super efficient. Dwight scores efficiently, rebounds and defends like a beat. Porter has great shooting in his best season with low turnovers and fouls. Also, one of the breweries near me has a special Terry Porter beer right now. I can't say anything bad about either player and both were drafted where they should have been. This team is just somehow... exactly what it should be if that makes sense? I am not sure it does. Maybe I wrote too many of these today.

After Round 4: There is strong defense here throughout and nobody is high on fouls or turnovers. That is usually a good recipe. It does look like this team is going to be light on perimeter shooting though. If jcred can stack the bench with lights out three point shooters he might be okay… assuming he has the budget for it. I actually think you can go with a couple different Payton seasons so I will be curious which he picks.

After Round 5: Green was an interesting pick. He solves the threes problem but this team is still missing a starting 4/5.

Final Assessment: Eaton and Griffin were honestly perfect picks and everything I thought this team needed to round out the roster. I think this team has everything covered that you could want. Plus, jcred is a smart owner and will pick the right seasons.

Verdict: A-, in the playoffs
Howard, Dwight 7
Porter, Terry 42
Payton, Gary 55
Nance, Larry 90
Green, Danny 103
Eaton, Mark 138
Griffin, Blake 138
jkaye24 After Round 2: Man, this is such an awesome duo starting out for jkaye and he has proven to be a great owner. He will get elite rebounding from the 1 and 3 spots (assuming he picks the right seasons), elite passing and good efficiency. Both players were a steal where they were taken. He now has so much flexibility for his remaining picks. This is my favorite duo by far at this point in the draft.

After Round 4: I feel like I am saying this a lot, but this team may also be light on threes. Barkley won’t give you much, Kemp and Wallace give you none and J-Kidd will give you a good amount. It really isn’t insurmountable with this team. I like the squad if Wallace is at the 2 and Barkley at the 3… I don’t like it as much if they are playing a position up. I think jkaye has a lot of options for his fifth spot, I have a couple guys in mind. I will be closely watching to see who he picks.

Final assessment: Closed out the draft with three damn near perfect picks. I really love this team in every way except for it only having one three-point shooter. Plus, that three point shooter is low-usage, so this is a minus defense candidate who won’t make me pay for it.

Verdict: B, playoff team
Barkley, Charles 18
Kidd, Jason 31
Kemp, Shawn 66
Wallace, Gerald 79
Dalembert, Samuel 114
Miller, Oliver 127
Gatling, Chris 127
Midge After Round 2: This is a good team Midge! Bird is a credible defender across 3-4 positions, and does everything well, although I wish his threes and shooting were a touch better. He also fell too low in my opinion. Then, Wallace also fell a couple picks low and you have another elite front court defender who won't hurt you anywhere and will crush the boards. This is a top three team this early in the draft. Great job.

After Round 4: Good team! I am usually dubious about Dirk in a league like this. But, if Dirk is set to defend SFs, then Wallace and Bird can cover down on the better frontcourt players and they provide enough rebounding to cover for him. That is smart team construction. This feels a little early for Calderon but he is elite in every facet but defense. Hopefully you find the right backcourt mate to pair him with.

Final assessment: Christie was a solid pick, he can defend and do the little things. I love Jameer in this format but now 66% of your guard rotation can’t defend a lick. David West is as meh as meh gets.

Verdict: B+, playoff team
Bird, Larry 15
Wallace, Ben 34
Nowitzki, Dirk 63
Calderon, Jose 82
Christie, Doug 111
Nelson, Jameer 130
West, David 130
mikee1 After Round 2: Congrats, you got LeBron. The best player in the sim and he unlocks so much team potential. He can play anywhere, do it at max effeciency and does everything. Amare is firmly a third round pick to me, but you are going to score at a hyper efficient level with those two. You are going to have some ground to make up in defense, assists and threes but you have time to do it.

After Round 5: It is hard to have a bad team with LeBron. Camby was an excellent pick in the third to pair with Amare. Given the choice of Webber, I am guessing he is playing SF and LeBron/Iggy are the backcourt? Webber/Amare/LeBron seems like suboptimal distribution of your usage, but if you set up the rotation right (where like Webber backs up both Amare and LeBron) then you can make it work.

Final assessment: I like most of the picks here. If you are using the low minute Melo season then that is a great backup for LeBron. Terry has some really good seasons to fit in here. The assists and three point shooting are pretty light... could prevent title contention but this team is pretty strong and has LeBron.

Verdict: B-, playoff team
James, LeBron 2
Stoudemire, Amare 47
Camby, Marcus 50
Iguodala, Andre 95
Webber, Chris 98
Anthony, Carmelo 143
Terry, Jason 143
milest After Round 2: This feels a little early for Lowry. I really like Lowry although I am not sure if milest wants the better shooting version or the better defending version. Shaq is another player you can choose between a couple different seasons on. Often with Shaq, it is good to get your frontcourt partner so you can address Shaq's pseudo-weakness on the boards but then you might get stuck without viable guard options. I'll be curious to see how this team turns out.

After Round 4: I don’t know. I am not sure Sanders is good enough on the boards to offset Shaq, plus since Shaq only plays one position, Sanders can’t rotate over to defend the harder spot. So, Sanders plays one position which isn’t his optimal use. Then you pigeonhole your Shaq choices more. Conley and Lowry are both efficient players with good perimeter numbers, but now you don’t have an elite backcourt defender. This team will be fine but I’d be hard pressed to see them be a major contender.

Final assessment: After four rounds I would have given this team a D+ or C-. After 6, it gets bumped up. Milest absolutely nailed the last three picks. He got two defenders and rebounding. Good gameplan.

Verdict: C+, last team in the playoffs
O'Neal, Shaquille 5
Lowry, Kyle 44
Conley, Mike 53
Sanders, Larry 92
Edge, Charlie 116
Beverley, Patrick 125
Smith, Michael 125
pharrop After Round 2: There are no flaws in this team so far. Durant does everything at a good to elite level and Mutombo will give you great defense and rebounding upfront. Depending on what pharrop does with the rest of the picks, this team is off to a good start. Early front runner for contention at this point.

After Round 4: I need to see more about what pharrop is doing. I love Brand at SF and Durant is probably fine at SG although you lose arguably my favorite season of his. If Durant is the 3 and Brand is the 4 then I am less jazzed on this team. Cheeks in the 4th was an awesome pick for this team. From top to bottom, this team has good defense and enough of everything to have no real flaws. Good drafting.

Final assessment: I was totally in on this team after 4 rounds. Plus, I LOVE Batum. But the last three picks indicate to me that Brand is playing the 4. And maybe even some 5. I don’t know, this team is a lot of good players who don’t fit well together.

Verdict: C, just missing the playoffs
Durant, Kevin 12
Mutombo, Dikembe 37
Brand, Elton 60
Cheeks, Maurice 85
Batum, Nicolas 108
McKie, Aaron 133
Wesley, David 133
pointfwd After Round 2: I think pointfwd is right on the line. I think Gilmore went a handful of picks too early and Hardaway went a handful of picks too late. Hardaway should always be a first rounder and does everything you want. Gilmore is like the other elite defender/rebounders but I think he is too expensive and turns it over too much for where he was selected.

After Round 5: Paul George got drafted! First time in the 6 seasons I use for my dataset. George, Hardaway, Gasol and Gilmore… that is a lot of usage points and I imagine it is going to be an expensive team. Good defense, rebounding, enough threes, probably enough passing. The team passes the smell test but I think the final team construction will be tricky.

Final Assessment: I mean, Bullard and Les are not good but also I understand that at this point pointfwd has to round out the roster as cheaply as possible. I like what he was thinking but I worry about how ugly this bench if going to be. I am not totally sure the starters will be good enough to carry such a bad bench.

Verdict: C, inconsistent team that just misses the playoffs. Could sneak it with masterful coaching.
Gilmore, Artis 20
Hardaway, Anfernee 29
Grant, Horace 68
Gasol, Pau 77
George, Paul 101
Les, Jim 140
Bullard, Matt 140
rjk2781 After Round 2: This is one of those teams that could be off to a good start but it could also go very poorly. In a vacuum, DeAndre and Green are both good picks and not drafted too high. However, after two rounds, you don't have any guards which isn't terrible but you also have no usage which is scary. Right now, you have elite defense in the front court and elite rebounding, but you somehow need high per%, high usage, good defense guard play in rounds 3-6. That is a lot to ask.

After Round 4: I don’t know. I mean, I really don’t like the Rondo fit here. I would have rather seen someone who is a better scorer/perimeter shooter since I don’t think you needed the boards. McGrady is generally good in the sim but his shooting numbers aren’t stellar and so far his is the only person on your team who can really score. So I am not sure where you go from here…

Final assessment: So Draymond is going to play the 4? Nah b, that is not a good plan. Also, your primary scoring options are McGrady, Pierce and Kevin Johnson… God don’t like it. To be honest, I like every single person rjk drafted except for Pierce and Rondo, but I just don’t like them together. The recipe is coming together, just not there yet.

Verdict: C-, not in the playoffs
Jordan, DeAndre 22
Green, Draymond 27
McGrady, Tracy 70
Rondo, Rajon 75
Pierce, Paul 118
Johnson, Kevin 123
Biyombo, Bismack 123
robusk After Round 2: This team needs a good secondary rebounder, some perimeter shooting and a good perimeter defender. That's a lot of needs!

After Round 4: This team still needs rebounding and shooting!

Final assessment: This team got a lot of rebounding and shooting in the finals rounds

Verdict: C+, this team will be in the playoffs but it is pretty medicore
Johnson, Magic 21
Duncan, Tim 28
Harper, Derek 64
Ibaka, Serge 76
Humphries, Kris 112
Mirotic, Nikola 124
Anderson, Ryan 124
rubnsly After Round 2: This is a real like duo in the late 90s/early 2000s if I recall. Chauncey rebuilt his early career in Minny. I know most people are high on Garnett in this format, but I am not. While he does almost everything well, I just get nervous about that shooting at that usage level. And since Chauncey is also just an okay shooter at that usage level, I am a little concerned about this team's efficiency.

After Round 4: We will see how Jokic does here. I love him in an open league format and certain themes right now, but unsure how he will perform in a big boy league like this. The 4th feels really early for him though. Brandon seems like an odd fit with Chauncey and, outside of Jokic, I don’t like the shooting percentages here. Another team that feels like it has over-committed money to usage this early.

Final assessment: There is a lot I like here. Ced has some good seasons. Davis has a ton of good seasons. Overall though, I think the efficiency is not there for this team… but it isn’t a bad team. Every player is just kind of good for where they were taken.

Verdict: C+, just missing the playoffs
Garnett, Kevin 24
Billups, Chauncey 25
Brandon, Terrell 72
Jokic, Nikola 73
Ceballos, Cedric 120
Davis, Dale 121
Lee, David 121
scudmissle After Round 2: This is one of the better duos at this point in the. Except for rebound, Kareem does everything else at an elite level. I traded down to avoid picking him though because I feel like I am paying the costs for elite defense but it only applies to a single position and that doesn't seem cost effective to me. The top years of Deron are good and scud has enough of everything after two rounds that he can do what he wants moving forward. Really smart start.

After Round 4: I don’t like the Love pick here. Love cannot defend SFs and Kareem can’t defend 4s, so Love can only defend 4s and he stinks at D. So anyone who lines up a stud at the 4 will light this team up. The Deron/Jones backcourt make sense, is cost effective, has enough threes and defends well. You probably overspent on usage here so far.

Final Assessment: It looks like scud is going to go with the Connie season that makes the most sense. Parish is a little pricey at that spot but is such a damn steal that he would not reasonably be passed on. Watson has a ton of good PG seasons to choose from. Ideally, I would envision Parish starting and Love being an uber 6th man to mitigate his defense issue. Honestly, I love every pick but the Love one.

Verdict: C+, in the playoffs
Abdul-Jabbar, Kareem 9
Williams, Deron 40
Love, Kevin 57
Jones, Eddie 88
Hawkins, Connie 105
Parish, Robert 136
Watson, Earl 136
seapilots After Round 2: I love both guys in the sim. Kawhi is probably my favorite player in the sim (although I stupidly love Dragic) and Hassan is a damn stud. You are going to need passing and in a hurry but it is hard to ask for a better start that this.

After Round 5: Man, this team is so good. My love of Kawhi and Whiteside is already stated. Boerwinkle is always popular. I almost picked Kirilenko because he is tricky… you either get the seasons where he does everything well but has a bad shooting percentage/usage combo… or you get the better shooting/lower usage seasons where he doesn’t do as much for you. Nasty Nate is so perfect for this format. This is really good team construction.

Final assessment: The last two picks didn’t make great sense but the first five were almost flawless. This team could be light on threes but otherwise it is pretty great. Not a lot to nitpick.

Verdict: A, in the playoffs.
Leonard, Kawhi 19
Whiteside, Hassan 30
Boerwinkle, Tom 78
Kirilenko, Andrei 94
McMillan, Nate 99
Hill, George 115
Gasol, Marc 126
sixernuggets After Round 2: Oof. Maybe I underestimate this team, but this is probably my least favorite team after two rounds. The defense simply is not there and both players were drafted much higher than I personally feel like they should have been. Plus, I just think Harden's TOs are too high to navigate. Obviously, the team will score, rebound and pass at an elite level. I just don't think they can stop the other team from scoring.

After Round 4: I guess the plan is coming together. I am guessing you get the best defending versions of Reed and Drexler and let them take the best offensive player tied to Harden or Towns since they cover the same positions. That could work but then you get pretty reasonably inefficient seasons of both. Also, this team is going to turn the ball over a lot.

Final assessment: I legitimately only like one of this team’s draft picks. I kind of see where the team is going but it isn’t clicking. There just doesn’t seem to be enough of anything. I would love to see sixersnugget’s take though and discuss it. I'd also like to know how to be a fan of both the sixers and the nuggest and what happens if they play each other.

Verdict: D-, not close to the playoffs.
Harden, James 11
Towns, Karl-Anthony 38
Drexler, Clyde 59
Reed, Willis 86
Dunn, T.R. 107
Nater, Swen 134
Williams, Mo 134
twinsfan8791 After Round 2: I need to see more to make a real judgment. Stockton is one of the elite passers and is highly efficient. You can always build a team around his scale. McHale is a highly efficient scorer. I just need to see if you can get the secondary scorer to pair with Stockton and right rebounders to pair with McHale before I can decide.

After Round 4: Allen is a great fit for this team. He will be another highly efficient scorer and will light it up from 3. Unseld is fine, although you still need more boards to help out the McHale/Allen/Stockton trio. You have the right mix of defense/positions.

Final assessment: This team could have been good, but it only really drafted one okay rebounder. I think it will get killed on the boards and just be okay at defense. There are a lot of threes and good passing but this team ended up with critical flaws in my opinion.

Verdict: C-, not in the playoffs.
Stockton, John 14
McHale, Kevin 35
Allen, Ray 56
Unseld, Wes 104
Maxwell, Cedric 110
Kukoc, Toni 131
Kerr, Steve 131
uptowngbv After Round 3: All three of these guys have a high approval rating in terms of where they get usually get drafted, so I would guess that my opinion on them don't match the overall consesus of the ODL. I mean, Wilt is damn awesome but I would rather have LeBron. LeBron has more flexibility for roster construction, cheaper and I think as people have mentioned before, you can't scale Wilt up in the playoffs. McAddo is fine, I guess he is a pretty nice pairing with Wilt. To me, since Wilt can really only play the 5, I would have liked to get a guy who can defend both 3s and 4s at a high level here. But I mean, he is good and this is in no way a bad pick. Mookie is a really popular player in SLB but he is a volume shooter with a low shooting %. In the big picture though, you have 3 good to great defenders, your usage covered, your assists covered, your boards covered. My general feelings on players aside, this is shaping up to be a very complete team.

After Round 5: Trying to decipher the vision. Dumars at the 2 and Bell at the 3? With Mookie/McAdoo and Wilt at the other three you could someone have a Wilt team that is light on boards. I mean, I get the idea with Bell/Dumars in that you get defense/threes and must keep costs down with Wilt. It isn’t a bad play and you can probably do enough to round out the fringes. It isn’t what I would have done really picks 2-5 but I can’t put up too much of an argument with it.

Final assessment: Nothing terribly wrong with any pick but nothing super impressive about any of them either. This team is at the mercey of what division it ends up in I think.

Verdict: C, just outside the playoff picture
Chamberlain, Wilt 1
McAdoo, Bob 48
Blaylock, Mookie 49
Bell, Raja 96
Dumars, Joe 97
Covington, Robert 144
Davis, Antonio 144
vancem After Round 2: Robinson is one of the big men who can *possibly* make Klay work for you. While Klay provides great defense, shooting and efficiency he doesn't pass or rebound. Robinson provides enough passing that you may be able to overcome it with the right complimentary guard. However, Robinson is not a good rebounder for the position and since neither is Klay, vancem has his work cut out for him in the next couple of rounds.

After Round 4: I love the Ward pick. He is awesome. It is higher than I thought he would go but he gives you a perfect PG for this format: cheap, threes, defense, efficiency. I know you wanted Buck to help with the boards, but he fouls and turns the ball over a lot for a third/fourth wheel which drives me crazy. Still, this team is good!

Final assessment: A little more rebounding might have been ideal but I generally like this team a lot. Tinsley, Smith and Varejao were all smart picks at the end. Buck is the only one I am slightly dubious on. There were some other guys I liked better in that spot. Robinson and Thompson as your first two really pigeonhole you on what you can do with the rest of the draft though.

Verdict: C+, sneaks in the playoffs
Robinson, David 13
Thompson, Klay 36
Ward, Charlie 61
Williams, Buck 84
Smith, J.R. 109
Tinsley, Jamaal 132
Varejao, Anderson 132
ysw128 After Round 2: Apparently, I like the Donyell pick more than ysw because he immediately criticized his own pick. Donyell gives you elite boards at the 3, can defend 2s at an elite level and jack’s threes. Malone is a top 5 big man who passes at a high level from that spot. ysw has 4 positions covered with elite defense and has exceptional rebounding. I like this team a lot.

After Round 5: Well, this team is going much differently than I expected. Either he is starting Donyell at the 2 and is going SUPER BIG or he knows he can get a guard later and is just stacking the bench. Right now, he is really low on assists and kind of light on threes. I really wanted either Bogut or Pryzbilla to fall to me and I am super aggravated that this dude got both. I love them in this format.

Final Assessment: It seems like a lot of people wanted that Embiid backup season. I love the two headed monster at C and Embiid is a good backup for the mailman. Porter and Frazier as your guard rotation is a poor one but the front court is nearly perfect.

Verdict: C, just missing the playoffs only because I think the back court will be a major problem.
Malone, Karl 6
Marshall, Donyell 43
Frazier, Walt 54
Bogut, Andrew 91
Przybilla, Joel 102
Embiid, Joel 139
Porter, Kevin 139

12/15/2017 1:02 PM (edited)
Divisions:
Atlantic This division is not good. Ben will sleepwalk to a bye.
Central The divison has the two worst teams in the conference and a lot of teams that overspent on minutes. Probably means ben sleepwalks to the finals with one of his lesser teams.
Midwest 5 teams in this division would make the playoffs out East. Someone, probably 2, from the robusk, cjok, jkaye, midge group are going to get screwed out of the playoffs
Pacific Second best division but some teams just couldn't do enough to overcome their critical flaws.


Teams:
Owner Playoffs: After Draft Grade: After Draft Playoffs: Entered Grade: Entered Comments
rubnsly No C+ No C Not efficient enough
gerryred No C- No C- Not enough threes or boards, too many fouls
vancem Yes C+ Yes C+ A little light on assists but good
bds9992 No D- No D+ Terrible bench, not enough threes
24kpyrite No C No D+ Too much Mamba
behoidal Yes B+ Yes B Don't know if he got enough assists for the strategy, but this division is not good anyway
scudmissle Yes C+ Yes C This team is just as I expected. Fine but the conference is not good
parrop No C Yes C Good defense. Really messed up the usage though. Wouldn't make the playoffs in another division.
milest Yes C+ Yes C+ Light on passing, heavy on fouls but good enough.
copernicus Yes B+ Yes B No real weakness on this team
twinsfan8791 No C- No C- Not enough rebounding or usage
uptowngbv No C No D+ Wrong Wilt, not enough usage or assists
midge Yes B+ Yes B+ Good team
seapilots Yes A Yes A Finals contender
robusk Tes C+ Yes B- Squeaks into the last spot
ysw128 No C No C- Not enough threes
jkaye24 Yes B No B- The team is good, last team out. This is by far the toughest division and I think your fouls and turnovers will hurt.
cjok1051 Yes C+ No C All that usage means not enough rebounding or assists
pointfwd No C Yes C+ Somehow pointfwd afforded what he needed
sixernuggets No D- No D- Woefully ineffecient
dh555 No C- No C- I am prepared to be surprised
jcred5 Yes A- Yes B Should have spent less on minutes, more on boards, threes, passing.
mikee1 Yes B- Yes B I like it
rjk2781 No C- No C- Not how I would have done it.
12/21/2017 8:23 PM (edited)
How did Kawhi Leonard turn into a 1st round pick?
12/5/2017 4:29 PM
Posted by milest on 12/5/2017 4:29:00 PM (view original):
How did Kawhi Leonard turn into a 1st round pick?
He is on the lower minutes side but on a per minute basis he is pretty incredible. Good shooting numbers, good shot distribution, elite defense and positional flexibility, good enough rebounding and passing number, elite turnovers/fouls.
12/5/2017 4:32 PM
Depending on who is available, there is a a pretty reasonable chance I will be able to trade down in the second round.
12/5/2017 4:56 PM
Posted by robusk on 12/5/2017 4:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by milest on 12/5/2017 4:29:00 PM (view original):
How did Kawhi Leonard turn into a 1st round pick?
He is on the lower minutes side but on a per minute basis he is pretty incredible. Good shooting numbers, good shot distribution, elite defense and positional flexibility, good enough rebounding and passing number, elite turnovers/fouls.
I agree with all of that.. To an extent.. Although I understand he can play SF on a winning team at this cap level- I like to play him at SG, bc I have an addiction to rebounds, that can sometimes be unhealthy.. LOL. Playing him at SG limits your future draft pool- so does playing him at SF, but probably easier to work with... I've drafted him more than once in the 2nd round of the DH $52 with successful results... I don't think it's horrible to draft him in the 1st at this cap level, but with the low mins combined with low asts at SG or low rebs at SF- I think he's a 2nd rounder... But as long as it works- my opinion doesn't really matter...
12/5/2017 7:46 PM
Posted by milest on 12/5/2017 7:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by robusk on 12/5/2017 4:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by milest on 12/5/2017 4:29:00 PM (view original):
How did Kawhi Leonard turn into a 1st round pick?
He is on the lower minutes side but on a per minute basis he is pretty incredible. Good shooting numbers, good shot distribution, elite defense and positional flexibility, good enough rebounding and passing number, elite turnovers/fouls.
I agree with all of that.. To an extent.. Although I understand he can play SF on a winning team at this cap level- I like to play him at SG, bc I have an addiction to rebounds, that can sometimes be unhealthy.. LOL. Playing him at SG limits your future draft pool- so does playing him at SF, but probably easier to work with... I've drafted him more than once in the 2nd round of the DH $52 with successful results... I don't think it's horrible to draft him in the 1st at this cap level, but with the low mins combined with low asts at SG or low rebs at SF- I think he's a 2nd rounder... But as long as it works- my opinion doesn't really matter...
Well, he was drafted 18th by the team that won the league last year.
12/5/2017 10:34 PM
Posted by robusk on 12/5/2017 10:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by milest on 12/5/2017 7:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by robusk on 12/5/2017 4:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by milest on 12/5/2017 4:29:00 PM (view original):
How did Kawhi Leonard turn into a 1st round pick?
He is on the lower minutes side but on a per minute basis he is pretty incredible. Good shooting numbers, good shot distribution, elite defense and positional flexibility, good enough rebounding and passing number, elite turnovers/fouls.
I agree with all of that.. To an extent.. Although I understand he can play SF on a winning team at this cap level- I like to play him at SG, bc I have an addiction to rebounds, that can sometimes be unhealthy.. LOL. Playing him at SG limits your future draft pool- so does playing him at SF, but probably easier to work with... I've drafted him more than once in the 2nd round of the DH $52 with successful results... I don't think it's horrible to draft him in the 1st at this cap level, but with the low mins combined with low asts at SG or low rebs at SF- I think he's a 2nd rounder... But as long as it works- my opinion doesn't really matter...
Well, he was drafted 18th by the team that won the league last year.
Yep. Nice job.
12/5/2017 11:47 PM
I wrote some stuff on the teams that have two picks so far. None of it is personal just my (ill-)informed take.
12/7/2017 1:12 PM
Also, some trade analysis.
12/7/2017 1:26 PM
Nice work Robusk! BTW I'm using 72-73 Artis with 3.9 to's per 48 which hopefully isnt too bad.
12/7/2017 1:31 PM
Posted by pointfwd on 12/7/2017 1:31:00 PM (view original):
Nice work Robusk! BTW I'm using 72-73 Artis with 3.9 to's per 48 which hopefully isnt too bad.
16.23 TO%. Average player has 14.59 so just slightly above average.

I make no assumptions that the players listed in that one post are the players being used. It is a reasonable approximation of the player's best season but I know there will be a lot of variance.

Anyway, Artis is very good! I just think I like some of the other big men option more in that spot.
12/7/2017 1:36 PM
that's not the right Scottie - I'm either going all in (94-95) or using one of his more 3pt friendly/economical Swiss-army knife seasons (like 95-96) really depends on what's waiting for me at the next turn
12/7/2017 4:07 PM
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