Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/11/2017 12:53:00 PM (view original):
Looks like Catfish has the best WHIP. By a lot. Do you not value how many baserunners a pitcher allows?

If they end up letting more of those runners score, it doesn't really matter.

I thought you thought most hits are just bad breaks? That a line drive to RF is just as likely to be caught as not. You know, BABIP.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/11/2017 1:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/11/2017 12:53:00 PM (view original):
Looks like Catfish has the best WHIP. By a lot. Do you not value how many baserunners a pitcher allows?

If they end up letting more of those runners score, it doesn't really matter.

I thought you thought most hits are just bad breaks? That a line drive to RF is just as likely to be caught as not. You know, BABIP.

LOL where did I say that allowing hits is just bad luck?

So BABIP isn't a legit stat?

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/11/2017 1:41:00 PM (view original):
So BABIP isn't a legit stat?

?

BABIP is a record of balls in play that become hits. It's a fact. What would make it illegitimate?

Well, it ignores home runs, which are typically the most disastrous kind of hit.

Posted by tecwrg on 12/11/2017 1:47:00 PM (view original):
Well, it ignores home runs, which are typically the most disastrous kind of hit.

Home runs aren't in play.

You've made this point before and I feel like you're brain damaged or something.

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/11/2017 1:41:00 PM (view original):
So BABIP isn't a legit stat?

?

BABIP is a record of balls in play that become hits. It's a fact. What would make it illegitimate?

I believe it's pitchers that have the huge swings in BABIP allowed per season while hitters are somewhat constant. How do you explain that?

BABIP, from a pitching perspective.

Singles: BAD!
Doubles: BAD!
Triples: BAD!
Home runs:. Meh, don't care.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/11/2017 1:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/11/2017 1:41:00 PM (view original):
So BABIP isn't a legit stat?

?

BABIP is a record of balls in play that become hits. It's a fact. What would make it illegitimate?

I believe it's pitchers that have the huge swings in BABIP allowed per season while hitters are somewhat constant. How do you explain that?

I'm not following your argument. Maybe lay it out in a format that isn't a question.

Posted by tecwrg on 12/11/2017 1:50:00 PM (view original):
BABIP, from a pitching perspective.

Singles: BAD!
Doubles: BAD!
Triples: BAD!
Home runs:. Meh, don't care.

Singles: In play
Doubles: In play
Triples: In play
Home runs: Not in play (for the most part and the ones that are in play are counted in BABIP)

Did you have a stroke?

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/11/2017 1:47:00 PM (view original):
Well, it ignores home runs, which are typically the most disastrous kind of hit.

Home runs aren't in play.

You've made this point before and I feel like you're brain damaged or something.

This is why you're a retard.

Posted by tecwrg on 12/11/2017 1:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/11/2017 1:47:00 PM (view original):
Well, it ignores home runs, which are typically the most disastrous kind of hit.

Home runs aren't in play.

You've made this point before and I feel like you're brain damaged or something.

This is why you're a retard.

Because I understand the definition of "in play?"

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:51:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/11/2017 1:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:43:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/11/2017 1:41:00 PM (view original):
So BABIP isn't a legit stat?

?

BABIP is a record of balls in play that become hits. It's a fact. What would make it illegitimate?

I believe it's pitchers that have the huge swings in BABIP allowed per season while hitters are somewhat constant. How do you explain that?

I'm not following your argument. Maybe lay it out in a format that isn't a question.

You're not following it because you don't want to. Pitchers seem to have big swings from year to year with BABIP allowed while hitters are relatively constant.

Now I know you're on record of saying that pitchers have very little control of what happens once the ball leaves their hand. Why do you think BABIP allowed isn't constant?

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/11/2017 1:50:00 PM (view original):
BABIP, from a pitching perspective.

Singles: BAD!
Doubles: BAD!
Triples: BAD!
Home runs:. Meh, don't care.

Singles: In play
Doubles: In play
Triples: In play
Home runs: Not in play (for the most part and the ones that are in play are counted in BABIP)

Did you have a stroke?

How meaningful is a stat that measures something about balls that are hit that ignores the grandaddy of hits?

Posted by tecwrg on 12/11/2017 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bad_luck on 12/11/2017 1:52:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 12/11/2017 1:50:00 PM (view original):
BABIP, from a pitching perspective.

Singles: BAD!
Doubles: BAD!
Triples: BAD!
Home runs:. Meh, don't care.

Singles: In play
Doubles: In play
Triples: In play
Home runs: Not in play (for the most part and the ones that are in play are counted in BABIP)

Did you have a stroke?

How meaningful is a stat that measures something about balls that are hit that ignores the grandaddy of hits?

If the intent was to measure all hits, it would just be called batting average allowed. It's measuring something other than all hits. It's measuring a subset of hits, the ones in the field of play.