Scorecard of last POTUS Topic

Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 5:53:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/21/2018 2:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 12:24:00 PM (view original):
I want to do an economic comparison between him Reagan. Both inherited recession economies and the opposition party controlled congress.
Reagan was allowed to spend at a much higher rate to get out of the recession faster.
So, $9T is not enough? Or maybe the funds were misprioritized? Maybe the "shovel ready" jobs weren't so shovel ready? If you can't get a country out of a recession on $9T, you aren't doing a very good job.
Just a little look back at a snapshot. Fox News by the way. A comprehensive, excellent infrastructure fan is actually exactly what we need.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/03/senate-to-block-competing-infrastructure-plans.html
1/21/2018 7:43 PM
Please don't forget...and it's weird that it's the first time it happened, but the opposition stated that the only thing they cared about was making the President and his legislation a 1 term, failed term.
1/21/2018 7:44 PM
I understand what you're saying with the article, but I think it also proves Obama's shortcomings in his ability to build compromise between the parties.

Personally, I would have been more in favor of the GOP plan mentioned in the article of cutting other domestic spending to create revenue for infrastructure.

Also, I am not a big fan of surcharges on the wealthy. I think it opens up a can of worms towards a socialist society. The potential for wealth is a driving force in entrepreneurship and innovation, at least with me personally. I think it sets a poor precedent of we can spend what "we want in Washington and the rich will flip the bill."
1/21/2018 7:56 PM
Posted by The Taint on 1/21/2018 7:44:00 PM (view original):
Please don't forget...and it's weird that it's the first time it happened, but the opposition stated that the only thing they cared about was making the President and his legislation a 1 term, failed term.
Oh yes, I remember and that was dirty. I'm afraid that is our political climate now. It's scary. I get the sense that the left has the same mentality now with Trump. I am not a fan of the guy, but wishing for his failure is wishing for the country's failure, and that works the same way with the right and Obama.

I was born in '87, so obviously I don't have first hand experience, but I have heard politics were more civil basically up until Bush 2.
1/21/2018 8:01 PM
Ahhhhhh..yes politics were much more civil. The 2nd term of Bush I think started it ugly, after the lies about the Iraq War(think of how much money we could have saved if we had just listened to our own intelligence reports(check it out.) After the black man got elected...it went off the rails. I really don't think we were ready for a black president, as crazy as that sounds.


Just think if we had never gotten in a war after WW2. Each one has been a cluster ****. Not including the slam dunks in Grenada, Haiti, or Yugoslavia.

1/21/2018 8:20 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 7:56:00 PM (view original):
I understand what you're saying with the article, but I think it also proves Obama's shortcomings in his ability to build compromise between the parties.

Personally, I would have been more in favor of the GOP plan mentioned in the article of cutting other domestic spending to create revenue for infrastructure.

Also, I am not a big fan of surcharges on the wealthy. I think it opens up a can of worms towards a socialist society. The potential for wealth is a driving force in entrepreneurship and innovation, at least with me personally. I think it sets a poor precedent of we can spend what "we want in Washington and the rich will flip the bill."
Cutting spending would have been a terrible idea during a recession caused by cratering demand.
1/21/2018 8:26 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 1/21/2018 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 7:56:00 PM (view original):
I understand what you're saying with the article, but I think it also proves Obama's shortcomings in his ability to build compromise between the parties.

Personally, I would have been more in favor of the GOP plan mentioned in the article of cutting other domestic spending to create revenue for infrastructure.

Also, I am not a big fan of surcharges on the wealthy. I think it opens up a can of worms towards a socialist society. The potential for wealth is a driving force in entrepreneurship and innovation, at least with me personally. I think it sets a poor precedent of we can spend what "we want in Washington and the rich will flip the bill."
Cutting spending would have been a terrible idea during a recession caused by cratering demand.
Truth
1/21/2018 8:33 PM
Posted by bad_luck on 1/21/2018 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 7:56:00 PM (view original):
I understand what you're saying with the article, but I think it also proves Obama's shortcomings in his ability to build compromise between the parties.

Personally, I would have been more in favor of the GOP plan mentioned in the article of cutting other domestic spending to create revenue for infrastructure.

Also, I am not a big fan of surcharges on the wealthy. I think it opens up a can of worms towards a socialist society. The potential for wealth is a driving force in entrepreneurship and innovation, at least with me personally. I think it sets a poor precedent of we can spend what "we want in Washington and the rich will flip the bill."
Cutting spending would have been a terrible idea during a recession caused by cratering demand.
Maybe, we'll never know as, if I'm not mistaken, our government has never tried it.
1/21/2018 8:34 PM
Posted by The Taint on 1/21/2018 8:20:00 PM (view original):
Ahhhhhh..yes politics were much more civil. The 2nd term of Bush I think started it ugly, after the lies about the Iraq War(think of how much money we could have saved if we had just listened to our own intelligence reports(check it out.) After the black man got elected...it went off the rails. I really don't think we were ready for a black president, as crazy as that sounds.


Just think if we had never gotten in a war after WW2. Each one has been a cluster ****. Not including the slam dunks in Grenada, Haiti, or Yugoslavia.

Yeah, the Bush's were terrible and a 3rd one actually thought he had a chance of winning.
1/21/2018 8:37 PM
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 8:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/21/2018 8:26:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 1/21/2018 7:56:00 PM (view original):
I understand what you're saying with the article, but I think it also proves Obama's shortcomings in his ability to build compromise between the parties.

Personally, I would have been more in favor of the GOP plan mentioned in the article of cutting other domestic spending to create revenue for infrastructure.

Also, I am not a big fan of surcharges on the wealthy. I think it opens up a can of worms towards a socialist society. The potential for wealth is a driving force in entrepreneurship and innovation, at least with me personally. I think it sets a poor precedent of we can spend what "we want in Washington and the rich will flip the bill."
Cutting spending would have been a terrible idea during a recession caused by cratering demand.
Maybe, we'll never know as, if I'm not mistaken, our government has never tried it.
Well, it’s an economic certainty. A significant portion of GDP is government spending. If the economy is contracting, contracting it more by cutting spending is a terrible idea.

It’s why GDP growth slowed to nothing when the sequester went into effect.

1/21/2018 8:56 PM
  1. ISIS rose on his watch.
  2. BLM created on his watch
  3. Worst relations with Israel, ever on his watch.
  4. Debt...discussed already but no plan to how to reduce it.
  5. ACA = DISASTER. I would have been OK with Nationalizing HC but this is just stupid.
  6. Syria happened on his watch
  7. Benghazi happened on his watch
  8. Stagnant wages
  9. Funding Iran who then siphoned those funds to Hamas and Hezbollah
  10. Our military became a laughing stock when captured by Iranians.
  11. Crimea fell to Russia on his watch
  12. Over regulation of Banks
  13. Paid Zero attention to entitlement reform. Kicked the can down the road.
  14. Stock market was artificially high as his administration kept rates low forcing people into equities.
  15. Did nothing about drugs coming from South America and as a result Between 2009 and 2015, the age-adjusted drug overdose death rate increased from 11.9 per 100,000 people to 16.3.
  16. On his watch the Dems lost the house and senate and numerous Governorships (is that a word?)
  17. First African American POTUS that was good.
  18. He endorsed HRC and she still lost.
  19. Bin Laddin captured on his watch = GOOD
  20. Stagnant wages.

D-



1/21/2018 9:01 PM
When did we ever have a black President? Did I miss something in science class? Democrats are too racist to elect a black man.

If you want to be a democrat president, you gotta be just white enough for the man.
1/21/2018 9:13 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 1/21/2018 9:01:00 PM (view original):
  1. ISIS rose on his watch.
  2. BLM created on his watch
  3. Worst relations with Israel, ever on his watch.
  4. Debt...discussed already but no plan to how to reduce it.
  5. ACA = DISASTER. I would have been OK with Nationalizing HC but this is just stupid.
  6. Syria happened on his watch
  7. Benghazi happened on his watch
  8. Stagnant wages
  9. Funding Iran who then siphoned those funds to Hamas and Hezbollah
  10. Our military became a laughing stock when captured by Iranians.
  11. Crimea fell to Russia on his watch
  12. Over regulation of Banks
  13. Paid Zero attention to entitlement reform. Kicked the can down the road.
  14. Stock market was artificially high as his administration kept rates low forcing people into equities.
  15. Did nothing about drugs coming from South America and as a result Between 2009 and 2015, the age-adjusted drug overdose death rate increased from 11.9 per 100,000 people to 16.3.
  16. On his watch the Dems lost the house and senate and numerous Governorships (is that a word?)
  17. First African American POTUS that was good.
  18. He endorsed HRC and she still lost.
  19. Bin Laddin captured on his watch = GOOD
  20. Stagnant wages.

D-



2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 16, 18 were either not true, unfair, or not his fault.

B
1/22/2018 11:00 AM
Strikeout, I like you. You are reasonable, make good points, and not afraid to call BS on either side. A certain Comrade would do well to learn from you.
1/22/2018 11:07 AM
Posted by tangplay on 1/22/2018 11:00:00 AM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 1/21/2018 9:01:00 PM (view original):
  1. ISIS rose on his watch.
  2. BLM created on his watch
  3. Worst relations with Israel, ever on his watch.
  4. Debt...discussed already but no plan to how to reduce it.
  5. ACA = DISASTER. I would have been OK with Nationalizing HC but this is just stupid.
  6. Syria happened on his watch
  7. Benghazi happened on his watch
  8. Stagnant wages
  9. Funding Iran who then siphoned those funds to Hamas and Hezbollah
  10. Our military became a laughing stock when captured by Iranians.
  11. Crimea fell to Russia on his watch
  12. Over regulation of Banks
  13. Paid Zero attention to entitlement reform. Kicked the can down the road.
  14. Stock market was artificially high as his administration kept rates low forcing people into equities.
  15. Did nothing about drugs coming from South America and as a result Between 2009 and 2015, the age-adjusted drug overdose death rate increased from 11.9 per 100,000 people to 16.3.
  16. On his watch the Dems lost the house and senate and numerous Governorships (is that a word?)
  17. First African American POTUS that was good.
  18. He endorsed HRC and she still lost.
  19. Bin Laddin captured on his watch = GOOD
  20. Stagnant wages.

D-



2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 16, 18 were either not true, unfair, or not his fault.

B
So the "good" things he should get credit for, but the failures are "not his fault"?
That thought process is why some people will support anyone instead of a lifetime politician, and is a large part of why Trump won.
1/22/2018 11:11 AM
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