Rule V Leg #59 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Mariners beat the Pirates in the last world series), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise).
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series.
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and present.
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first.

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him at least five drafts)
2/20/2018 11:51 AM
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Player Draft Order - Franchises selected are in RED.
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 10 629 991 0.3883
2 D'backs 20 1440 1800 0.4444
3 Tigers 30 2292 2570 0.4714
4 Pirates 26 2001 2211 0.4751
5 White Sox 16 1235 1357 0.4765
6 Rockies 15 1166 1264 0.4798
7 Rangers 23 1804 1923 0.4840
8 Angels 23 1806 1920 0.4847
9 Twins 31 2437 2587 0.4851
10 Brewers 29 2303 2398 0.4899
11 Marlins 26 2084 2130 0.4945
12 Orioles 32 2565 2620 0.4947
13 Blue Jays 36 2900 2934 0.4971
14 Expos 40 3223 3260 0.4971
15 Indians 38 3067 3090 0.4981
16 Mariners 37 3006 2990 0.5013
17 Padres 30 2439 2422 0.5017
18 Red Sox 40 3268 3213 0.5042
19 Phillies 39 3188 3133 0.5044
20 Reds 32 2640 2545 0.5092
21 Cubs 31 2561 2461 0.5100
22 Mets 36 2976 2857 0.5102
23 Braves 39 3228 3090 0.5109
24 Giants 38 3151 3008 0.5116
25 Royals 35 2908 2765 0.5126
26 Cardinals 40 3366 3115 0.5194
27 Yankees 36 3038 2794 0.5209
28 Dodgers 39 3335 2985 0.5277
29 A's 40 3443 3039 0.5312
30 Astros 40 3533 2948 0.5451
2/23/2018 10:24 AM (edited)
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Franchise Draft Order (timed schedule Wednesday 2/21)
  1. tjefferson 63-99 .389 LA Dodgers^
  2. specsman 63-99 .389 Boston Red Sox^
  3. alice 66-96 .407 Detroit Tigers^
  4. captmurphy 66-96 .407% San Francisco Giants^
  5. ChitownBluz 68-94 .420 St. Louis Cardinals
  6. newarkwilder 70-92 .432 New York Yankees^
  7. deathdealer 74-88 .457 Toronto Blue Jays
  8. pumpkinmcp 76-86 .469 Seattle Mariners^
  9. mussopini23 78-84 .481 Texas Rangers
  10. spoonfed 78-84 .481 Houston Astros^
  11. shaybee 80-82 .494 Atlanta Braves^
  12. spikeboots 81-81 .500 Baltimore Orioles
  13. buddhagamer 85-77 .525 Oakland Athletics^
  14. justinlee_24 85-77 .525% Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals^
  15. tridentric 86-76 .531 Cleveland Indians
  16. llcoach 87-75 .537 Minnesota Twins
  17. rbow923 87-75 .537* San Diego Padres^
  18. dilligafdbp 89-73 .549* Arizona Diamondbacks^
  19. Chisock 91-71 .562* Cincinnati Reds^
  20. ff09 93-69 .574* LA Angels
  21. nordawg 94-68 .580* Kansas City Royals^
  22. sinfonian11 103-59 .636* Chicago Cubs^
  23. alleyviper 91-71 .562& Colorado Rockies^
  24. laramiebob 90-72 .556$ Pittsburgh Pirates^
^ Second round keepers sent

% new owner
* playoff team
& WS runner-up
$ WS champs

Division Alignment
NL East: Braves, Expos/Nationals, Pirates, Reds
NL Central: Cardinals, Cubs, Rockies, Astros
NL West: Diamondbacks, Dodgers, Giants, Padres
AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Orioles
AL Central: Royals, Indians, Tigers, Twins
AL West: Mariners, Rangers, Angels, Athletics

Owner list for sitemailing: tjefferson; specsman; alice; captmurphy; ChitownBluz; newarkwilder; deathdealer; pumpkinmcp; mussopini23; spoonfed; shaybee; spikeboots; buddhagamer; justinlee_24; tridentric; llcoach; rbow923; dilligafdbp; Chisock; ff09; nordawg; sinfonian11; alleyviper; laramiebob
3/1/2018 12:23 PM (edited)
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Player Draft - First Round (timed schedule starts Monday 2/26)
  1. dilligafdbp - Diamondbacks: Nomar Garciaparra - BOS
  2. alice - Tigers: Dennis Eckersley - OAK
  3. laramiebob - Pirates: George Foster - CIN
  4. alleyviper - Rockies: Mike Trout - LAA
  5. mussopini23 - Rangers: Willie McGee - STL
  6. ff09 - Angels: TSMOPPOAT - BAL
  7. llcoach - Twins: Kevin Brown - LAD
  8. spikeboots - Orioles: Fred Lynn - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  9. deathdealer - Blue Jays: Robinson Cano - NYY
  10. justinlee_24 - Expos/Nats: HWMNBN - CIN (Reds off the board)
  11. tridentric - Indians: Kevin Millwood - ATL
  12. pumpkinmcp - Mariners: Orel Hershiser - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  13. rbow923 - Padres: TSMOPOAT - HOU
  14. specsman - Red Sox: Kevin Appier - KCR
  15. Chisock - Reds: Lance Berkman - HOU (Astros off the board)
  16. sinfonian11 - Cubs: Jim Edmonds - STL
  17. shaybee - Braves: Goose Gossage - PIT
  18. captmurphy - Giants: Alex Rodriguez - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  19. nordawg - Royals: Fergie Jenkins - TEX
  20. ChitownBluz - Cardinals: Ichiro Suzuki - SEA
  21. newarkwilder - Yankees: Daniel Murphy - MON/WSH
  22. tjefferson - Dodgers: Reggie Jackson - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  23. buddhagamer - Athletics: Buster Posey - SFG
  24. spoonfed - Astros: Mike Napoli - TEX (Rangers off the board)
Player Draft - Second Round (timed schedule starts Wednesday 2/28)
  1. dilligafdbp - Diamondbacks: Craig Biggio - HOU
  2. alice - Tigers: Sonny Gray - OAK
  3. laramiebob - Pirates: Danny Jackson - CIN
  4. alleyviper - Rockies: Bill Singer - LAD
  5. mussopini23 - Rangers: Fernando Valenzuela - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  6. ff09 - Angels: Jorge Posada - NYY
  7. llcoach - Twins: Rafael Furcal - ATL
  8. spikeboots - Orioles: Bernie Williams - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  9. deathdealer - Blue Jays: Larry Dierker - HOU (Astros off the board)
  10. justinlee_24 - Expos/Nats: Jay Bell - PIT
  11. tridentric - Indians: Chris Sale - BOS
  12. pumpkinmcp - Mariners: Carl Yastrzemski - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  13. rbow923 - Padres: Ken Singleton - BAL
  14. specsman - Red Sox: Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH
  15. Chisock - Reds: Madison Bumgarner - SFG
  16. sinfonian11 - Cubs: AFTBOAT - STL
  17. shaybee - Braves: Tim Burke - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
  18. captmurphy - Giants: Carlos Guillen - DET
  19. nordawg - Royals: Tim Salmon - LAA
  20. ChitownBluz - Cardinals: Kris Bryant - CHC
  21. newarkwilder - Yankees: Manny Ramirez - CLE
  22. tjefferson - Dodgers: Ben Zobrist - CHC (Cubs off the board)
  23. buddhagamer - Athletics: Charlie Blackmon - COL
  24. spoonfed - Astros: Jim Thome - CLE (Indians off the board)
Player Draft - Third Round (timed schedule starts Monday 3/5)
  1. dilligafdbp - Diamondbacks: Rickey Henderson - NYY
  2. alice - Tigers: David Cone - KCR
  3. laramiebob - Pirates: Craig Kimbrel - ATL
  4. alleyviper - Rockies: JR Richard - HOU
  5. mussopini23 - Rangers: Koji Uehara - BOS
  6. ff09 - Angels: Aaron Judge - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  7. llcoach - Twins: Andrew Miller - CLE
  8. spikeboots - Orioles: Craig Kimbrel - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  9. deathdealer - Blue Jays: Will Harris - HOU (Astros off the board)
  10. justinlee_24 - Expos/Nats: Ryne Sandberg - CHC
  11. tridentric - Indians: Ellis Burks - COL
  12. pumpkinmcp - Mariners: Willie Stargell - PIT
  13. rbow923 - Padres: Will Clark - SFG
  14. specsman - Red Sox: Juan Guzman - TOR
  15. Chisock - Reds: Joe Torre - STL
  16. sinfonian11 - Cubs: Roberto Alomar - TOR (Blue Jays off the board)
  17. shaybee - Braves: Felipe Rivero - PIT (Pirates off the board)
  18. captmurphy - Giants: Mark Melancon - MON/WSH
  19. nordawg - Royals: JJ Putz - SEA
  20. ChitownBluz - Cardinals: Terry Pendleton - ATL (Braves off the board)
  21. newarkwilder - Yankees: Pedro Guerrero - LAD
  22. tjefferson - Dodgers: JD Martinez - ARI
  23. buddhagamer - Athletics: Brian Roberts - BAL
  24. spoonfed - Astros: Brady Anderson - BAL (Orioles off the board)
3/6/2018 1:34 PM (edited)
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List of keepers/draftees

dilligafdbp - Diamondbacks: Luis Gonzalez, Paul Goldschmidt, Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Danny Haren, Nomar Garciaparra - BOS, AJ Pollock, Craig Biggio - HOU, Brandon Webb, Rickey Henderson - NYY

alice - Tigers: Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Miguel Cabrera, Alan Trammell, Magglio Ordonez, Dennis Eckersley - OAK, Victor Martinez, Sonny Gray - OAK, Tony Phillips, David Cone - KCR

laramiebob - Pirates: Barry Bonds, Brian Giles, Jason Kendall, Doug Drabek, Rick Reuschel, George Foster - CIN, Jim Rooker, Danny Jackson - CIN, Freddy Sanchez, Craig Kimbrel - ATL

alleyviper - Rockies: Todd Helton, Larry Walker, Nolan Arrenado, Troy Tulowitski, DJ Lemahieu, Mike Trout - LAA, Ubaldo Jimenez, Bill Singer - LAD, Gabe White, JR Richard - HOU

mussopini23 - Rangers: Alex Rodriguez, Rafael Palmeiro, Josh Hamilton, Ivan Rodriguez, Nolan Ryan, Willie McGee - STL, Julio Franco, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Mike Adams, Koji Uehara - BOS

ff09 - Angels: Frank Tanana, Nolan Ryan, Garrett Richards, Darrin Erstad, Vladimir Guerrero, TSMOPPOAT - BAL, Andy Messersmith, Jorge Posada - NYY, Jered Weaver, Aaron Judge - NYY

llcoach - Twins: Joe Mauer, Rod Carew, Kirby Puckett, Johan Santana, Joe Nathan, Kevin Brown - LAD, Chuck Knoblauch, Rafael Furcal - ATL, Lyman Bostock, Andrew Miller - CLE

spikeboots - Orioles: Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer, Al Bumbry, Chris Hoiles, Roberto Alomar, Fred Lynn - BOS, Frank Robinson, Bernie Williams - NYY, Zach Britton, Craig Kimbrel - BOS

deathdealer - Blue Jays: Roger Clemens, Jose Bautista, Carlos Delgado, John Olerud, Tony Fernandez, Robinson Cano - NYY, Mark Eichhorn, Larry Dierker - HOU, BJ Ryan, Will Harris - HOU

justinlee_24 - Expos/Nats: Pedro Martinez, Max Scherzer, Bryce Harper, Tim Raines, Gary Carter, HWMNBN - CIN, Steven Strasberg, Jay Bell - PIT, Pascual Perez, Ryne Sandberg - CHC

tridentric - Indians: Albert Belle, Kenny Lofton, Roberto Alomar, Corey Kluber, Gaylord Perry, Kevin Millwood - ATL, Rafael Betancourt, Chris Sale - BOS, Jose Ramirez, Ellis Burks - COL

pumpkinmcp - Mariners: Ken Griffey, Jr., Alex Rodriguez, Edgar Martinez, Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Cliff Lee, Carl Yastrzemski - BOS, Bret Boone, Willie Stargell - PIT,

rbow923 - Padres: Kevin Brown, Jake Peavy, Tony Gwynn, Ken Caminiti, Mark Loretta, TSMOPOAT - HOU, Gary Sheffield, Ken Singleton - BAL, Randy Jones, Will Clark - SFG

specsman - Red Sox: Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Derek Lowe, Wade Boggs, Rico Petrocelli, Kevin Appier - KCR, Carlton Fisk, Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH, Jonathan Papelbon, Juan Guzman - TOR

Chisock - Reds: Tom Seaver, Johnny Cueto, Joe Morgan, Joey Votto, Johnny Bench, Lance Berkman - HOU, Barry Larkin, Madison Bumgarner - SFG, Aroldis Chapman, Joe Torre - STL

sinfonian11 - Cubs: Greg Maddux, Jake Arrieta, Kyle Hendricks, Derrek Lee, Sammy Sosa, Jim Edmonds - STL, Aroldis Chapman, AFTBOAT - STL, Billy Williams, Roberto Alomar - TOR

shaybee - Braves: Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Kris Medlen, Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Goose Gossage - PIT, Javy Lopez, Tim Burke - MON/WSH, Phil Niekro, Felipe Rivero - PIT

captmurphy - Giants: Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Juan Marichal, Jason Schmidt, Tim Lincecum, Alex Rodriguez - NYY, Jeff Kent, Carlos Guillen - DET, Kevin Mitchell, Mark Melancon - MON/WSH

nordawg - Royals: George Brett, Darrell Porter, Bret Saberhagen, Larry Gura, Wade Davis, Fergie Jenkins - TEX, Roger Nelson, Tim Salmon - LAA, Jay Bell, JJ Putz - SEA

ChitownBluz - Cardinals: Albert Pujols, Mark McGwire, John Tudor, Chris Carpenter, Bob Gibson, Ichiro Suzuki - SEA, Ozzie Smith, Kris Bryant - CHC, Yadier Molina, Terry Pendleton - ATL

newarkwilder - Yankees: Ron Guidry, Catfish Hunter, Fritz Peterson, Paul O'Neill, Derek Jeter, Daniel Murphy - MON/WSH, Dave Righetti, Manny Ramirez - CLE, Jason Giambi, Pedro Guerrero - LAD

tjefferson - Dodgers: Mike Piazza, Adrian Beltre, Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Don Sutton, Reggie Jackson - OAK, Hideo Nomo, Ben Zobrist - CHC, Kenley Jansen, JD Martinez - ARI

buddhagamer - Athletics: Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Mike Norris, Buster Posey - SFG, Tim Hudson, Charlie Blackmon - COL, Miguel Tejada, Brian Roberts - BAL

spoonfed - Astros: Jeff Bagwell, Jose Altuve, Mike Scott, Roger Clemens, Dallas Keuchel, Mike Napoli - TEX, Richard Hidalgo, Jim Thome - CLE, Billy Wagner, Brady Anderson - BAL
3/6/2018 1:34 PM (edited)
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Hey guys I only have two teams I've yet to use in this theme, thru 28 seasons I'm 28 for 28 using unique teams, so if everyone can just make sure at least one of those teams is available to me when I draft that'd be super helpful! I don't have to wait too long, after all, I had the Pirates last leg, they're awful! I'm sure I'm drafting pretty hi-

...oh...

......oh dear...

This does not bode well for me.
2/20/2018 12:27 PM
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Posted by alleyviper on 2/20/2018 12:27:00 PM (view original):
Hey guys I only have two teams I've yet to use in this theme, thru 28 seasons I'm 28 for 28 using unique teams, so if everyone can just make sure at least one of those teams is available to me when I draft that'd be super helpful! I don't have to wait too long, after all, I had the Pirates last leg, they're awful! I'm sure I'm drafting pretty hi-

...oh...

......oh dear...

This does not bode well for me.
Well, you had to go and get to the World Series with the Pirates of all teams. So, you've really got no one to blame but yourself.

Just out of curiosity, which teams haven't you used?
2/20/2018 12:34 PM
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Can someone who knows (I'm still green at Rule V) please explain/detail this rule:

"if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)."

Does that mean a player is available twice (once for each franchise) in total??? Or just 1 time for each team he played for?
What about a player that played for 3 (or more) teams?

Take (for example) JD Martinez. Could the Tiger franchise "protect/keep" Martinez and then use one of their picks to select J.D. Martinez of the Diamondbacks and have 2 Martinez's to use (albeit part-time) on their roster??

Would that violate the no clone rule?
2/20/2018 12:51 PM
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If the Blue Jays, Yankees, Red Sox and Astros are all in the pool, there are four potential Roger Clemens available, and there can only be one version of Clemens in the league per franchise, respective to that franchise. So whether that means all four franchises protect a Clemens, a Blue Jays and Yankees Clemens get drafted while the Red Sox and Astros protect theirs, or any other permutation, the most Clemens there can be are 4, each team he plays for would need to be represented and there can only be one Clemens from each franchise. If only the Red Sox out of those teams are in the pool then only one Clemens is available, etc.

And yes, a team can have multiple of a player if they're available. If the Red Sox protected their Clemens and managed to draft Yankee Clemens, Blue Jay Clemens and Astro Clemens they could have an entire Clemens rotation.


sin, my remaining teams are the Rockies and the ExpoNats. I'd say I only have a shot at one of those where I'm at.
2/20/2018 12:58 PM (edited)
sinfonian11
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Posted by laramiebob on 2/20/2018 12:51:00 PM (view original):
Can someone who knows (I'm still green at Rule V) please explain/detail this rule:

"if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise)."

Does that mean a player is available twice (once for each franchise) in total??? Or just 1 time for each team he played for?
What about a player that played for 3 (or more) teams?

Take (for example) JD Martinez. Could the Tiger franchise "protect/keep" Martinez and then use one of their picks to select J.D. Martinez of the Diamondbacks and have 2 Martinez's to use (albeit part-time) on their roster??

Would that violate the no clone rule?
alleyviper explained this pretty well, but just to expand a bit. It gets a bit tricky with some of the partial/combined seasons, like J.D. Martinez. There is a combined season available for use for both the Tigers and the Diamondbacks. Assuming both teams are in use, if the Tigers wanted to protect Martinez, then draft the Arizona Martinez, they could do so. But, they couldn't use the combined 2018 season from both franchises. They could use both partial seasons from 2018, or use a different Tigers season along with the Arizona combined season. And, now I think I've gone crosseyed...
2/20/2018 1:57 PM
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OK. TY. I had a plan last season that would have been the JD scenario......... but someone else picked or protected (can't remember which now) the P/T season I was gonna pick off another franchise. Anyways, it sorta worked out fine for me......... I ended up with an extra roster spot that I used on Mark Langston and that worked out swell.
2/20/2018 2:31 PM
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I'll take the Dodgers
2/20/2018 5:40 PM
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Red Sox
2/20/2018 5:57 PM
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I was looking at three teams ( that I never took ) I couldn't"t make up my mind.

So I took another new team for me instead.

Tigers
2/20/2018 8:07 PM
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Despite my overwhelming desire to take my beloved Astros, I'll go with the Giants.
2/20/2018 9:43 PM
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