Rule V Leg #60 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Mariners (!) have won the last two world series), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise).
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series.
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and present.
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first.

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him at least five drafts)
6/18/2018 1:13 PM
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Player Draft Order - Franchises selected are in RED.
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 10 629 991 0.3883
2 D'backs 21 1517 1885 0.4459
3 Tigers 31 2372 2652 0.4721
4 Pirates 28 2156 2380 0.4753
5 White Sox 16 1235 1357 0.4765
6 Rangers 24 1867 2022 0.4801
7 Rockies 16 1251 1341 0.4826
8 Angels 24 1877 2011 0.4828
9 Twins 32 2521 2665 0.4861
10 Brewers 29 2303 2398 0.4899
11 Orioles 33 2643 2704 0.4943
12 Marlins 26 2084 2130 0.4945
13 Indians 39 3144 3175 0.4975
14 Blue Jays 37 2987 3009 0.4982
15 Expos 41 3313 3332 0.4986
16 Padres 31 2519 2504 0.5015
17 Red Sox 41 3346 3297 0.5037
18 Mariners 38 3102 3056 0.5037
19 Phillies 39 3188 3133 0.5044
20 Cubs 32 2639 2545 0.5091
21 Mets 36 2976 2857 0.5102
22 Reds 33 2732 2615 0.5109
23 Royals 36 2985 2850 0.5116
24 Braves 40 3317 3163 0.5119
25 Giants 39 3238 3083 0.5123
26 Cardinals 41 3442 3201 0.5181
27 Yankees 37 3140 2854 0.5239
28 Dodgers 40 3413 3069 0.5265
29 A's 41 3521 3123 0.5300
30 Astros 41 3607 3036 0.5430
6/20/2018 6:30 PM (edited)
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Franchise Draft Order (timed draft Tuesday 6/19, all times EDT)
  1. mussopini23 63-99 Atlanta Braves^
  2. DoctorKz 64-98% Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals
  3. ff09 71-91 New York Yankees^
  4. spoonfed 74-88 San Diego Padres^
  5. ChitownBluz 76-86 St. Louis Cardinals^
  6. dilligafdbp 77-85 LA Angels^
  7. tridentric 77-85 Seattle Mariners^
  8. good_beef 77-85% Baltimore Orioles^
  9. specsman 78-84 New York Mets
  10. spikeboots 78-84 Colorado Rockies^
  11. rjk2781 78-84% LA Dodgers^
  12. buddhagamer 78-84 Cleveland Indians^
  13. sinfonian11 78-84 Houston Astros^
  14. alice 80-82 Kansas City Royals^
  15. rbow923 80-82 Texas Rangers^
  16. shaybee 89-73 Arizona Diamondbacks^
  17. llcoach 84-78* Cincinnati Reds^
  18. alleyviper 85-77* San Francisco Giants^
  19. deathdealer 87-75* Toronto Blue Jays^
  20. justinlee_24 90-72* Boston Red Sox^
  21. Chisock 92-70* Chicago Cubs^
  22. newarkwilder 105-57* Oakland Athletics^
  23. captmurphy 87-75& Philadelphia Phillies^
  24. pumpkinmcp 96-66$ Detroit Tigers^
^ Third round keeper sent

% new owner
* playoff team
& WS runner-up
$ WS champion

Owner list for sitemailing: mussopini23; DoctorKz; ff09; spoonfed; ChitownBluz; dilligafdbp; tridentric; good_beef; specsman; spikeboots; rjk2781; buddhagamer; sinfonian11; alice; rbow923; shaybee; llcoach; alleyviper; deathdealer; justinlee_24; Chisock; newarkwilder; captmurphy; pumpkinmcp

Division Alignment
NL East: Phillies, Expos/Nats, Braves, Mets
NL Central: Cubs, Cardinals, Rockies, Reds
NL West: Dodgers, Giants, Diamondbacks, Padres
AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Orioles
AL Central: Tigers, Indians, Royals, Astros
AL West: Athletics, Angels, Rangers, Mariners
6/28/2018 1:31 PM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule begins FRIDAY 6/22, all times EDT)
  1. shaybee - Arizona Diamondbacks Kevin Brown - LAD
  2. pumpkinmcp - Detroit Tigers Bob Gibson - STL
  3. rbow923 - Texas Rangers Orel Hershiser - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  4. spikeboots - Colorado Rockies Don Wilson - HOU
  5. dilligafdbp - Los Angeles Angels Carlton Fisk - BOS
  6. good_beef - Baltimore Orioles Willie Wilson - KCR
  7. buddhagamer - Cleveland Indians Bryce Harper - MON/WSH
  8. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays Chris Hoiles - BAL
  9. DoctorKz - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Chase Utley - PHI
  10. spoonfed - San Diego Padres Barry Larkin - CIN
  11. justinlee_24 - Boston Red Sox HWMNBN - CIN (Reds off the board)
  12. tridentric - Seattle Mariners Tim Lincecum - SFG
  13. captmurphy - Philadelphia Phillies Manny Ramirez - CLE
  14. Chisock - Chicago Cubs Alan Trammell - DET
  15. specsman - New York Mets Rico Petrocelli - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  16. llcoach - Cincinnati Reds Vinny Castilla - COL
  17. alice - Kansas City Royals Roberto Alomar - BAL (Orioles off the board)
  18. mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves Alex Rodriguez - NYY
  19. alleyviper - San Francisco Giants AFTBOAT - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  20. ChitownBluz - St. Louis Cardinals Roy Halladay - TOR
  21. ff09 - New York Yankees JR Richard - HOU (Astros off the board)
  22. rjk2781 - Los Angeles Dodgers Don Mattingly - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  23. newarkwilder - Oakland Athletics Rick Wilkins - CHC
  24. sinfonian11 - Houston Astros Buster Posey - SFG (Giants off the board)
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule starts Wednesday 6/27)
  1. shaybee - Arizona Diamondbacks Adrian Beltre - LAD
  2. pumpkinmcp - Detroit Tigers Derrek Lee - CHC
  3. rbow923 - Texas Rangers TSMOPOAT - HOU
  4. spikeboots - Colorado Rockies Fritz Peterson - NYY
  5. dilligafdbp - Los Angeles Angels Rich Aurillia - SFG
  6. good_beef - Baltimore Orioles Thurman Munson - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  7. buddhagamer - Cleveland Indians Matt Harvey - NYM
  8. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays Carl Yastrzemski- BOS
  9. DoctorKz - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Larry Gura - KCR
  10. spoonfed - San Diego Padres Ellis Burks - COL
  11. justinlee_24 - Boston Red Sox Ted Simmons - STL
  12. tridentric - Seattle Mariners Yadier Molina - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  13. captmurphy - Philadelphia Phillies Hideo Nomo - LAD
  14. Chisock - Chicago Cubs Darren Daulton - PHI
  15. specsman - New York Mets Gary Sheffield - ATL
  16. llcoach - Cincinnati Reds Kevin Millwood - ATL (Braves off the board)
  17. alice - Kansas City Royals Daniel Murphy - MON/WSH
  18. mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves Jacob DeGrom - NYM (Mets off the board)
  19. alleyviper - San Francisco Giants Wade Boggs - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  20. ChitownBluz - St. Louis Cardinals Larry Dierker - HOU (Astros off the board)
  21. ff09 - New York Yankees Josh Donaldson - TOR
  22. rjk2781 - Los Angeles Dodgers Wade Davis - KCR (Royals off the board)
  23. newarkwilder - Oakland Athletics Jimmy Rollins - PHI
  24. sinfonian11 - Houston Astros Carlos Guillen - DET
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule starts MONDAY 7/2)
  1. shaybee - Arizona Diamondbacks Howard Johnson - NYM
  2. pumpkinmcp - Detroit Tigers Mark Eichhorn - TOR
  3. rbow923 - Texas Rangers Rickey Henderson - NYY
  4. spikeboots - Colorado Rockies Bill Singer - LAD
  5. dilligafdbp - Los Angeles Angels Mariano Rivera - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  6. good_beef - Baltimore Orioles Craig Biggio - HOU
  7. buddhagamer - Cleveland Indians Tim Hudson - OAK
  8. deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays Zack Britton - BAL
  9. DoctorKz - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Gary Sheffield - SDP
  10. spoonfed - San Diego Padres Mike Napoli - TEX
  11. justinlee_24 - Boston Red Sox Larry Walker - MON/WSH
  12. tridentric - Seattle Mariners Rich Harden - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  13. captmurphy - Philadelphia Phillies Edgardo Alfonso - NYM (Mets off the board)
  14. Chisock - Chicago Cubs Cliff Lee - SEA
  15. specsman - New York Mets Norm Charlton - SEA (Mariners off the board)
  16. llcoach - Cincinnati Reds Jim Edmonds - STL
  17. alice - Kansas City Royals Francisco Linder - CLE
  18. mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves Cliff Lee - PHI
  19. alleyviper - San Francisco Giants Dick Bosman - TEX (Rangers off the board)
  20. ChitownBluz - St. Louis Cardinals Rico Carty - ATL
  21. ff09 - New York Yankees Clay Buchholz - BOS
  22. rjk2781 - Los Angeles Dodgers Tug McGraw - PHI (Phillies off the board)
  23. newarkwilder - Oakland Athletics Pedro Guerrero - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  24. sinfonian11 - Houston Astros Kris Bryant - CHC
7/3/2018 3:33 PM (edited)
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List of keepers/draftees

shaybee - Arizona Diamondbacks: Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Luis Gonzalez, Paul Goldschmidt, Aaron Hill, Kevin Brown - LAD, AJ Pollock, Adrian Beltre - LAD, Daniel Hudson, Howard Johnson - NYM

pumpkinmcp - Detroit Tigers: Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, Miguel Cabrera, Magglio Ordonez, Tony Phillips, Bob Gibson - STL, Willie Hernandez, Derrek Lee - CHC, Curtis Granderson, Mark Eichhorn - TOR

rbow923 - Texas Rangers: Alex Rodriguez, Ivan Rodriguez, Josh Hamilton, Nolan Ryan, Rafael Palmeiro, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Adrian Beltre, TSMOPOAT - HOU, Ian Kinsler, Rickey Henderson - NYY

spikeboots - Colorado Rockies: Todd Helton, Larry Walker, Troy Tulowitski, Nolan Arenado, DJ LeMahieu, Don Wilson - HOU, Charlie Blackmon, Fritz Peterson - NYY, Matt Holliday, Bill Singer - LAD

dilligafdbp - Los Angeles Angels: TSMOPOAT, Frank Tanana, Darin Erstad, Mike Trout, Tim Salmon, Carlton Fisk - BOS, Jered Weaver, Rich Aurillia - SFG, Andy Messersmith, Mariano Rivera - NYY

good_beef - Baltimore Orioles: Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Dave McNally, TSMOPPOAT, Frank Robinson, Willie Wilson - KCR, Brady Anderson, Thurman Munson - NYY, Brooks Robinson, Craig Biggio - HOU

buddhagamer - Cleveland Indians: Corey Kluber, Gaylord Perry, Kenny Lofton, Albert Belle, Roberto Alomar, Bryce Harper - MON/WSH, Andrew Miller, Matt Harvey - NYM, Jose Ramirez, Tim Hudson - OAK

deathdealer - Toronto Blue Jays: Roger Clemens, Jose Bautista, Tony Fernandez, Carlos Delgado, John Olerud, Chris Hoiles - BAL, Roberto Alomar, Carl Yastrzemski- BOS, BJ Ryan, Zack Britton - BAL

DoctorKz - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Max Scherzer, Stephen Strasburg, Pedro Martinez, Gary Carter, Tim Raines, Chase Utley - PHI, Vladimir Guerrero, Larry Gura - KCR, Tim Burke, Gary Sheffield - SDP

spoonfed - San Diego Padres: Ken Caminiti, Tony Gwynn, Randy Jones, Kevin Brown, Jake Peavy, Barry Larkin - CIN, Mark Loretta, Ellis Burks - COL, Cla Meredith, Mike Napoli - TEX

justinlee_24 - Boston Red Sox: Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Derek Lowe, Nomar Garciaparra, Fred Lynn, HWMNBN - CIN, Chris Sale, Ted Simmons - STL, Dustin Pedroia, Larry Walker - MON/WSH

tridentric - Seattle Mariners: Ichiro Suzuki, Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Felix Hernandez, Randy Johnson, Tim Lincecum - SFG, JJ Putz, Yadier Molina - STL, Edgar Martinez, Rich Harden - OAK

captmurphy - Philadelphia Phillies: Curt Schilling, Steve Carlton, Mike Schmidt, Lenny Dykstra, Ryan Howard, Manny Ramirez - CLE, Bobby Abreu, Hideo Nomo - LAD, Scott Rolen, Edgardo Alfonso - NYM

Chisock - Chicago Cubs: Ryne Sandberg, Sammy Sosa, Jake Arrieta, Greg Maddux, Jon Lester, Alan Trammell - DET, Billy Williams, Darren Daulton - PHI, Bruce Sutter, Cliff Lee - SEA

specsman - New York Mets: Pedro Martinez, Tom Seaver, Dwight Gooden, David Wright, Mike Piazza, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Jon Matlack, Gary Sheffield - ATL, John Olerud, Norm Charlton - SEA

llcoach - Cincinnati Reds: Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, Joey Votto, Tom Seaver, Johnny Cueto, Vinny Castilla - COL, George Foster, Kevin Millwood - ATL, Aroldis Chapman, Jim Edmonds - STL,

alice - Kansas City Royals: Darrell Porter, George Brett, Kevin Appier, David Cone, Bret Saberhagen, Roberto Alomar - BAL, Zack Greinke, Daniel Murphy - MON/WSH, Carlos Beltran, Francisco Lindor- CLE

mussopini23 - Atlanta Braves: Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Craig Kimbrel, Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Alex Rodriguez - NYY, Javy Lopez, Jacob DeGrom - NYM, Kris Medlen, Cliff Lee - PHI

alleyviper - San Francisco Giants: Barry Bonds, Willie McCovey, Jeff Kent, Jason Schmidt, Juan Marichal, AFTBOAT - STL, Kevin Mitchell, Wade Boggs - BOS, Robb Nen, Dick Bosman- TEX

ChitownBluz - St. Louis Cardinals: Mark McGwire, Albert Pujols, Willie McGee, Joe Torre, John Tudor, Roy Halladay - TOR, Chris Carpenter, Larry Dierker - HOU, Ozzie Smith, Rico Carty - ATL

ff09 - New York Yankees: Catfish Hunter, Ron Guidry, Robinson Cano, Derek Jeter, Paul O'Neill, JR Richard - HOU, Bernie Williams, Josh Donaldson - TOR, Dave Righetti, Clay Buchholz - BOS

rjk2781 - Los Angeles Dodgers: Don Sutton, Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Eric Gagne, Mike Piazza, Don Mattingly - NYY, Fernando Valenzuela, Wade Davis - KCR, Kenley Jansen, Tug McGraw - PHI

newarkwilder - Oakland Athletics: Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue, Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Mark McGwire, Rick Wilkins - CHC, Mike Norris, Jimmy Rollins - PHI, Andrew Bailey, Pedro Guerrero - LAD

sinfonian11 - Houston Astros: Jeff Bagwell, Jose Altuve, Lance Berkman, Mike Scott, Roger Clemens, Buster Posey - SFG, Dallas Keuchel, Carlos Guillen - DET, Billy Wagner, Kris Bryant - CHC
7/3/2018 3:36 PM (edited)
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Will I go 30 for 30 on drafting teams?

*Shakes magic 8 ball*

"Outlook not so good."
6/18/2018 2:20 PM
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I'm actually working on a 30 For 30 about you, didn't want to spoil it though.
6/18/2018 2:23 PM
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I will kick us off, & go with my upstart favorite team (upstart this season) - give me HOTlanta - Braves
6/18/2018 2:27 PM
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Keepers sent!
6/18/2018 5:37 PM (edited)
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NY Yankees
6/18/2018 6:15 PM
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I will take the San Diego Padres
6/18/2018 10:09 PM
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Can you believe it, 4 Picks in, and the team that I wanted, is already GONE!?
6/19/2018 8:30 AM
sinfonian11
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Just FYI, ChitownBluz is getting back from his travels sometime today, but I'm not sure when. He's up next.
6/19/2018 11:04 AM
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Posted by good_beef on 6/19/2018 8:30:00 AM (view original):
Can you believe it, 4 Picks in, and the team that I wanted, is already GONE!?
Yeah, I believe it. One of those Murphy's Law kind of things. Or is that captmurphy's Law? Anyway...
6/19/2018 11:05 AM
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If our scheduled time comes up & the people ahead of us haven't picked yet, do we just jump ahead of them, like in the NFL draft, that's happened more than a couple times? Or do we have to wait?
6/19/2018 11:35 AM
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