Posted by bothways on 10/12/2018 8:53:00 PM (view original):
How does playoff scoring work?

1 point for each win, 5 points for each series victory (maximum = 26 additional points per team if they win the WS).

Posted by buddhagamer on 10/12/2018 9:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bothways on 10/12/2018 8:53:00 PM (view original):
How does playoff scoring work?

1 point for each win, 5 points for each series victory (maximum = 26 additional points per team if they win the WS).

31 if you count the 5 for making the playoffs in the first place

Posted by ozomatli on 10/12/2018 8:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by contrarian23 on 10/12/2018 8:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ozomatli on 10/12/2018 6:40:00 PM (view original):
I believe thebubbaq gets the wildcard in 4A by default, since Donburgh technically has a worse win% after losing his play-in game for the division, but we'll see tonight when more schedules generate.

I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work that way. Not in WIS nor in MLB.

I agree about real life, but I'm pretty sure I've seen it happen that way in the sim a few times (and was surprised by it)

I'll be interested to see...maybe this has changed in recent years? I know in several progressives I have been in over the years, this exact situation has happened. The team losing the divisional playoff always played the remaining team to determine the WC berth.

What I don't understand is why WIS still went ahead and scheduled the play-in game for:

League 4A: bighooze vs frank_drebin for the NL Central

Both teams won 92 games, tied for the NL Central and were 8 games better than the other WC contenders. Now if they were tied for head-to-head *AND* divisional record, then the game is used to determine the division winner but by my cursory look, bighooze won H2H by a margin of 10 to 4 and the better divisional record (29-13 vs. 22-20).

Other instances almost identical where two teams tied and both teams made it in didn't play the extra game...

I think the commish of that league should submit a ticket to find out why

I just sent one in. We'll see what they say

Posted by ozomatli on 10/12/2018 7:45:00 PM (view original):
Sure. Basically, it evaluates the relationship between the two metrics listed, at the given salary cap (or overall with "All"). The value is expressed between 0 and 1.

A number closer to 1 indicates that a stronger relationship (you can think of this as "as Pre-Rank goes down, Tournament Rank is likely to go down as well"), while a number closer to 0 indicates a weaker (or barely existent) relationship. While there's no set cutoffs, a value under .3 is generally considered weak, while a value over .7 is generally seen as strongly related.

From this, we can get some interesting insights. So, for example, the league where Pre-Rank is most closely related to wins in that league was the 255M league, and the league where it was least related to wins was the 100M league. Another example is that we can determine that wins in the 110M league had the strongest relationship with overall tournament rank was the 90M league, while the weakest was again the 100M league.

Overall, we see a trend where Pre-Rank did have strong predictive power on success in the tournament, but had the least influence on the 100M league, where success was less related to pre-tournament indicators. This makes sense since it is also the league that saw the least variance (in terms of win totals) between the best and worst teams, but is still interesting in its own right since, arguably, the 110M league was more research-intensive.

I appreciate it. It's been a while since I took a class on these types of things ..

On another random note, I was driving past our local performing arts center today and the marquee was advertising an upcoming show from a band called "ozomatli." I have no idea if this is connected to your username, but I'd never seen it in any other context.

Posted by contrarian23 on 10/12/2018 9:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ozomatli on 10/12/2018 8:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by contrarian23 on 10/12/2018 8:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ozomatli on 10/12/2018 6:40:00 PM (view original):
I believe thebubbaq gets the wildcard in 4A by default, since Donburgh technically has a worse win% after losing his play-in game for the division, but we'll see tonight when more schedules generate.

I’m pretty sure it doesn’t work that way. Not in WIS nor in MLB.

I agree about real life, but I'm pretty sure I've seen it happen that way in the sim a few times (and was surprised by it)

I'll be interested to see...maybe this has changed in recent years? I know in several progressives I have been in over the years, this exact situation has happened. The team losing the divisional playoff always played the remaining team to determine the WC berth.

Looks like there will be another playoff for the wildcard

FYI -- Updating the playoff games is super manual, so I'll be doing it about once a day, likely at night after the AM games.

Posted by buddhagamer on 10/12/2018 10:07:00 PM (view original):
What I don't understand is why WIS still went ahead and scheduled the play-in game for:

League 4A: bighooze vs frank_drebin for the NL Central

Both teams won 92 games, tied for the NL Central and were 8 games better than the other WC contenders. Now if they were tied for head-to-head *AND* divisional record, then the game is used to determine the division winner but by my cursory look, bighooze won H2H by a margin of 10 to 4 and the better divisional record (29-13 vs. 22-20).

Other instances almost identical where two teams tied and both teams made it in didn't play the extra game...

I think the commish of that league should submit a ticket to find out why

Ya, I just won a division without a playoff game based on H2H...team I was tied with got the WC.

Was there a three-way tie with another division winner? Maybe they would do one in that case to determine seeding, since there are 3 teams tied?

And I am a WC team in a league where I finished tied for the division without a playoff...

No response yet. I imagine we'll get something early in the week

Standings are updated.

Tough day for jetscanes as he's already down 2 of his 4 playoff teams. He'll need to do well with the other two to have a shot at Round 2.

Pre-Rank	Playoff Rank	Owner	Points
			Total	Per Team	Max	65M	90M	100M	110M	130M	255M
8	1	jfranco77	43	8.6	155	5	13	6		13	6
9	1	jmissirlis	43	8.6	155	5	13	7	5		13
7	3	mildnhazy	38	7.6	155	5	6		7	13	7
2	4	discodemo	37	9.25	124		13	5	6	13
3	4	rbow923	37	9.25	124		13	13		6	5
4	4	ozomatli	37	6.17	186	7	7	7	5	5	6
6	7	buddhagamer	34	5.67	155	7	6	5	5	5	6
1	8	brianjw	33	5.5	186	5	6	5	6	6	5
17	9	crystalao	31	6.2	155	6	7		7	5	6
28	9	mpitt76	31	7.75	93	5		6		13	7
32	9	wink0094	31	6.2	124	5	7		7	5	7
5	12	jbohrman	27	6.75	124		6	7	7	7
16	13	justinlee_24	25	8.33	93	5	7		13
10	14	dougpalm	24	6	124	6		6	7	5
50	14	mick33	24	8	62				6	13	5
27	16	magicdreamer	23	7.67	93	5		5		13
22	17	redcped	20	6.67	93		6		7		7
35	17	odalisgagne	20	6.67	93		7	7	6
51	17	jetscanes	20	5	62	5	5	5	5
26	20	Donburgh	19	6.33	93		7	5			7
33	20	ejstockman	19	9.5	62			13	6
30	22	bothways	18	9	31	13	5
13	23	dippedncrack / schwarze	17	5.67	62	5			5	7
66	23	npg32433	17	5.67	62	5	7			5
38	25	donaldjtrump	16	5.33	62		6			5	5
40	25	Jdh34	16	5.33	62	5			6	5
12	27	bighooze	15	5	62	5			5		5
44	27	Humdogs	15	5	93			5		5	5
47	29	The Taint	13	13	31						13
65	29	Pebo	13	6.5	62	6		7
24	31	newarkwilder	12	6	62			6			6
36	31	jjgreen14	12	6	62	5					7
41	31	cubbies84	12	6	31		5	7
48	31	thehuseman	12	6	62			5	7
67	31	garmansouth	12	6	62			6			6
53	36	sjh0825	11	5.5	62			6			5
20	37	mdc2276	10	5	62	5				5
43	37	Jtpsops	10	5	62			5	5
46	37	sprintracer	10	5	62					5	5
59	37	hurst47	10	5	31		5			5
18	41	mllama54	7	7	31	7
54	41	zlionsfan	7	7	31		7
14	43	Fusion27s	6	6	31				6
57	43	gigrant	6	6	31		6
68	43	midknight	6	6	31		6
11	46	shaybee	5	5	31				5
15	46	homiealiens	5	5	31						5
23	46	cstrohmier	5	5	31						5
31	46	frank_drebin	5	5	31				5
34	46	beauchamp	5	5	31	5
39	46	NebHusker	5	5	0					5
49	46	toddcommish	5	5	31			5
61	46	happyhours	5	5	31	5
63	46	mars2010	5	5	0					5
19	55	markeking	0	0	0
21	55	calhoop	0	0	0
25	55	tigerrott	0	0	0
29	55	ledfoot	0	0	0
37	55	kyleb63	0	0	0
42	55	Chisock	0	0	0
45	55	DarthDurron	0	0	0
52	55	trd3	0	0	0
55	55	nordawg	0	0	0
56	55	thejuice6	0	0	0
58	55	scottharra	0	0	0
60	55	thebubbaq	0	0	0
62	55	sionnach99	0	0	0
64	55	loyalcanuck	0	0	0
69	55	deathdealer	0	0	0
70	55	tridentric	0	0	0
71	55	scthallfan	0	0	0
72	55	spoonfed	0	0	0

Posted by Jtpsops on 10/13/2018 4:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by buddhagamer on 10/12/2018 10:07:00 PM (view original):
What I don't understand is why WIS still went ahead and scheduled the play-in game for:

League 4A: bighooze vs frank_drebin for the NL Central

Both teams won 92 games, tied for the NL Central and were 8 games better than the other WC contenders. Now if they were tied for head-to-head *AND* divisional record, then the game is used to determine the division winner but by my cursory look, bighooze won H2H by a margin of 10 to 4 and the better divisional record (29-13 vs. 22-20).

Other instances almost identical where two teams tied and both teams made it in didn't play the extra game...

I think the commish of that league should submit a ticket to find out why

Ya, I just won a division without a playoff game based on H2H...team I was tied with got the WC.

Was there a three-way tie with another division winner? Maybe they would do one in that case to determine seeding, since there are 3 teams tied?

Got a response from seble:

I don't have an answer for you. I believe the head-to-head record should have been used prior to a play-in game being scheduled. I'll make a note to review that logic.

Standings updated. jmissirlis is making a move

Pre-Rank	Playoff Rank	Owner	Points
			Total	Per Team	Max	65M	90M	100M	110M	130M	255M
4	1	ozomatli	65	10.83	124	7	13	13	13	13	6
9	2	jmissirlis	59	11.8	155	13	13	13	7		13
1	3	brianjw	57	9.5	155	7	13	5	13	6	13
6	4	buddhagamer	51	8.5	124	13	13	5	6	7	7
7	5	mildnhazy	47	9.4	93	7	7		13	13	7
8	6	jfranco77	46	9.2	93	7	13	7		13	6
17	6	crystalao	46	9.2	93	13	7		7	6	13
3	8	rbow923	45	11.25	93		13	13		6	13
5	8	jbohrman	45	11.25	93		6	13	13	13
10	10	dougpalm	39	9.75	93	7		13	13	6
22	10	redcped	39	13	93		13		13		13
32	10	wink0094	39	7.8	62	7	7		7	5	13
2	13	discodemo	37	9.25	93		13	5	6	13
35	14	odalisgagne	33	11	62		13	13	7
28	15	mpitt76	32	8	31	5		7		13	7
26	16	Donburgh	31	10.33	93		13	5			13
16	17	justinlee_24	25	8.33	31	5	7		13
38	17	donaldjtrump	25	8.33	62		13			5	7
40	17	Jdh34	25	8.33	62	7			13	5
50	17	mick33	25	8.33	31				7	13	5
66	17	npg32433	25	8.33	31	13	7			5
13	22	dippedncrack / schwarze	24	8	62	6			5	13
27	22	magicdreamer	24	8	93	6		5		13
51	24	jetscanes	21	5.25	31	6	5	5	5
67	25	garmansouth	20	10	31			7			13
12	26	bighooze	19	6.33	62	7			7		5
24	26	newarkwilder	19	9.5	31			6			13
33	26	ejstockman	19	9.5	31			13	6
65	26	Pebo	19	9.5	31	6		13
30	30	bothways	18	9	31	13	5
48	30	thehuseman	18	9	62			5	13
44	32	Humdogs	16	5.33	62			5		6	5
18	33	mllama54	13	13	31	13
20	33	mdc2276	13	6.5	62	6				7
36	33	jjgreen14	13	6.5	31	6					7
46	33	sprintracer	13	6.5	62					7	6
47	33	The Taint	13	13	31						13
54	33	zlionsfan	13	13	31		13
41	39	cubbies84	12	6	0		5	7
53	39	sjh0825	12	6	0			7			5
43	41	Jtpsops	11	5.5	62			5	6
59	42	hurst47	10	5	0		5			5
11	43	shaybee	7	7	31				7
23	43	cstrohmier	7	7	31						7
57	43	gigrant	7	7	0		7
14	46	Fusion27s	6	6	0				6
15	46	homiealiens	6	6	31						6
31	46	frank_drebin	6	6	31				6
61	46	happyhours	6	6	31	6
68	46	midknight	6	6	0		6
34	51	beauchamp	5	5	0	5
39	51	NebHusker	5	5	0					5
49	51	toddcommish	5	5	31			5
63	51	mars2010	5	5	0					5
19	55	markeking	0	0	0
21	55	calhoop	0	0	0
25	55	tigerrott	0	0	0
29	55	ledfoot	0	0	0
37	55	kyleb63	0	0	0
42	55	Chisock	0	0	0
45	55	DarthDurron	0	0	0
52	55	trd3	0	0	0
55	55	nordawg	0	0	0
56	55	thejuice6	0	0	0
58	55	scottharra	0	0	0
60	55	thebubbaq	0	0	0
62	55	sionnach99	0	0	0
64	55	loyalcanuck	0	0	0
69	55	deathdealer	0	0	0
70	55	tridentric	0	0	0
71	55	scthallfan	0	0	0
72	55	spoonfed	0	0	0