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If I have a household that contains four working adults and you have a household that contains two, should we try to compare household incomes?

100%

Because maybe the one with the 4 has to pay for childcare and has more expenses. Thank you finally admitting we should review everything on a case by case basis vs. your racist group think.

Progress...

Does the four working adult household have to pay for childcare?

And why wouldn't the two working adult household have to pay for childcare?

Wouldn't it be better to just compare individual income to individual income, instead of household, which can vary greatly in size and composition?

No. Because I may take a job making less for a better work/life balance because I have little kids. You may take one making more because your wife is home and you are the only wage earner. Case by case basis. Stats can be misleading.

So then we should ignore your stats on Asian median household income?

I never said ignore. But we should not base our entire thought process based on group stats. Everyone in America has equal rights and some start with some advantage and others with some disadvantage. The rest is up to the the individual.

Every American has equal rights under the law, but not every American has to overcome implicit bias because of the color of their skin.

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Posted by tangplay on 10/15/2018 1:00:00 PM (view original):
Really? So everyone has equal opportunity?

I think everyone has equal rights. In terms of opportunity do you think I have same opportunities as the son of Robert Kraft? No. But I have the same rights as he does. No one has truly "equal" opportunities but we all have equal rights.

OK? I'm not talking about equal rights.

NO ONE gets equal opportunities. I probably get better opportunities than you and my kids will over your kids. BUT we all have the same rights, meaning we can work hard and achieve whatever our hearts desire. Some just have a tougher climb than others.

My oldest applied to Philips Andover. She had the grades and the athletics but not the connections....sucks but she'll go to another school and be the best she can be. Equal opportunities do not exist. It is a myth.

Great. I agree.

Thank you, then WTF are we debating? LOL

It took you a long time to come around to that view.

Posted by bad_luck on 10/15/2018 4:33:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/15/2018 2:27:00 PM (view original):
If I have a household that contains four working adults and you have a household that contains two, should we try to compare household incomes?

100%

Because maybe the one with the 4 has to pay for childcare and has more expenses. Thank you finally admitting we should review everything on a case by case basis vs. your racist group think.

Progress...

Does the four working adult household have to pay for childcare?

And why wouldn't the two working adult household have to pay for childcare?

Wouldn't it be better to just compare individual income to individual income, instead of household, which can vary greatly in size and composition?

No. Because I may take a job making less for a better work/life balance because I have little kids. You may take one making more because your wife is home and you are the only wage earner. Case by case basis. Stats can be misleading.

So then we should ignore your stats on Asian median household income?

I never said ignore. But we should not base our entire thought process based on group stats. Everyone in America has equal rights and some start with some advantage and others with some disadvantage. The rest is up to the the individual.

Every American has equal rights under the law, but not every American has to overcome implicit bias because of the color of their skin.

No but they have to overcome other obstacles:

1. Learning disability
2. Too short
3. Too fat
4. Poor parents
5. Poor connections
6. Allergies
7. Anxiety
8. Fear of public speaking
9. Too ugly
10. Too frekled

NO ONE starts out on equal footing. We all start out with equal rights and then become the best we can. I met on Friday with a gentleman originally from India. He has been here for 30 years. First generation. Multi millionaire, built his own business. Started with nothing. Equal rights and he grabbed the bull by the horn. Sometimes privileged kids just have less of a work ethic and that is their disadvantage.

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/15/2018 4:33:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/15/2018 2:27:00 PM (view original):
If I have a household that contains four working adults and you have a household that contains two, should we try to compare household incomes?

100%

Because maybe the one with the 4 has to pay for childcare and has more expenses. Thank you finally admitting we should review everything on a case by case basis vs. your racist group think.

Progress...

Does the four working adult household have to pay for childcare?

And why wouldn't the two working adult household have to pay for childcare?

Wouldn't it be better to just compare individual income to individual income, instead of household, which can vary greatly in size and composition?

No. Because I may take a job making less for a better work/life balance because I have little kids. You may take one making more because your wife is home and you are the only wage earner. Case by case basis. Stats can be misleading.

So then we should ignore your stats on Asian median household income?

I never said ignore. But we should not base our entire thought process based on group stats. Everyone in America has equal rights and some start with some advantage and others with some disadvantage. The rest is up to the the individual.

Every American has equal rights under the law, but not every American has to overcome implicit bias because of the color of their skin.

No but they have to overcome other obstacles:

1. Learning disability
2. Too short
3. Too fat
4. Poor parents
5. Poor connections
6. Allergies
7. Anxiety
8. Fear of public speaking
9. Too ugly
10. Too frekled

NO ONE starts out on equal footing. We all start out with equal rights and then become the best we can. I met on Friday with a gentleman originally from India. He has been here for 30 years. First generation. Multi millionaire, built his own business. Started with nothing. Equal rights and he grabbed the bull by the horn. Sometimes privileged kids just have less of a work ethic and that is their disadvantage.

Man, I agree with this post too!

Just add race as #11.

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Posted by tangplay on 10/15/2018 1:00:00 PM (view original):
Really? So everyone has equal opportunity?

I think everyone has equal rights. In terms of opportunity do you think I have same opportunities as the son of Robert Kraft? No. But I have the same rights as he does. No one has truly "equal" opportunities but we all have equal rights.

OK? I'm not talking about equal rights.

NO ONE gets equal opportunities. I probably get better opportunities than you and my kids will over your kids. BUT we all have the same rights, meaning we can work hard and achieve whatever our hearts desire. Some just have a tougher climb than others.

My oldest applied to Philips Andover. She had the grades and the athletics but not the connections....sucks but she'll go to another school and be the best she can be. Equal opportunities do not exist. It is a myth.

Great. I agree.

Thank you, then WTF are we debating? LOL

It took you a long time to come around to that view.

What?!?!?!?!?!? I always said NO ONE gets equal opportunities and we should be looked at as individuals not groups. YOU CAME AROUND!! You're kidding here right?!?!?

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/15/2018 2:27:00 PM (view original):
If I have a household that contains four working adults and you have a household that contains two, should we try to compare household incomes?

100%

Because maybe the one with the 4 has to pay for childcare and has more expenses. Thank you finally admitting we should review everything on a case by case basis vs. your racist group think.

Progress...

Does the four working adult household have to pay for childcare?

And why wouldn't the two working adult household have to pay for childcare?

Wouldn't it be better to just compare individual income to individual income, instead of household, which can vary greatly in size and composition?

No. Because I may take a job making less for a better work/life balance because I have little kids. You may take one making more because your wife is home and you are the only wage earner. Case by case basis. Stats can be misleading.

So then we should ignore your stats on Asian median household income?

I never said ignore. But we should not base our entire thought process based on group stats. Everyone in America has equal rights and some start with some advantage and others with some disadvantage. The rest is up to the the individual.

Every American has equal rights under the law, but not every American has to overcome implicit bias because of the color of their skin.

No but they have to overcome other obstacles:

1. Learning disability
2. Too short
3. Too fat
4. Poor parents
5. Poor connections
6. Allergies
7. Anxiety
8. Fear of public speaking
9. Too ugly
10. Too frekled

NO ONE starts out on equal footing. We all start out with equal rights and then become the best we can. I met on Friday with a gentleman originally from India. He has been here for 30 years. First generation. Multi millionaire, built his own business. Started with nothing. Equal rights and he grabbed the bull by the horn. Sometimes privileged kids just have less of a work ethic and that is their disadvantage.

Man, I agree with this post too!

Just add race as #11.

11. Race
12. Color
13. Dress Code

I can go on and on.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 10/15/2018 1:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/15/2018 1:00:00 PM (view original):
Really? So everyone has equal opportunity?

I think everyone has equal rights. In terms of opportunity do you think I have same opportunities as the son of Robert Kraft? No. But I have the same rights as he does. No one has truly "equal" opportunities but we all have equal rights.

OK? I'm not talking about equal rights.

NO ONE gets equal opportunities. I probably get better opportunities than you and my kids will over your kids. BUT we all have the same rights, meaning we can work hard and achieve whatever our hearts desire. Some just have a tougher climb than others.

My oldest applied to Philips Andover. She had the grades and the athletics but not the connections....sucks but she'll go to another school and be the best she can be. Equal opportunities do not exist. It is a myth.

Great. I agree.

Thank you, then WTF are we debating? LOL

It took you a long time to come around to that view.

What?!?!?!?!?!? I always said NO ONE gets equal opportunities and we should be looked at as individuals not groups. YOU CAME AROUND!! You're kidding here right?!?!?

I probably get better opportunities than you and my kids will over your kids.

Some just have a tougher climb than others.

You wouldn't say this at the beginning. That's all I was looking for.

Yes, but I don't believe race is the sole factor. But could be one of the factors. LeBron James' kids have an easier climb than mine for example.

Yeah, we all agree on that. We have been trying to get you to say that for all this time.

So my work is done here.

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/15/2018 2:27:00 PM (view original):
If I have a household that contains four working adults and you have a household that contains two, should we try to compare household incomes?

100%

Because maybe the one with the 4 has to pay for childcare and has more expenses. Thank you finally admitting we should review everything on a case by case basis vs. your racist group think.

Progress...

Does the four working adult household have to pay for childcare?

And why wouldn't the two working adult household have to pay for childcare?

Wouldn't it be better to just compare individual income to individual income, instead of household, which can vary greatly in size and composition?

No. Because I may take a job making less for a better work/life balance because I have little kids. You may take one making more because your wife is home and you are the only wage earner. Case by case basis. Stats can be misleading.

So then we should ignore your stats on Asian median household income?

I never said ignore. But we should not base our entire thought process based on group stats. Everyone in America has equal rights and some start with some advantage and others with some disadvantage. The rest is up to the the individual.

Every American has equal rights under the law, but not every American has to overcome implicit bias because of the color of their skin.

No but they have to overcome other obstacles:

1. Learning disability
2. Too short
3. Too fat
4. Poor parents
5. Poor connections
6. Allergies
7. Anxiety
8. Fear of public speaking
9. Too ugly
10. Too frekled

NO ONE starts out on equal footing. We all start out with equal rights and then become the best we can. I met on Friday with a gentleman originally from India. He has been here for 30 years. First generation. Multi millionaire, built his own business. Started with nothing. Equal rights and he grabbed the bull by the horn. Sometimes privileged kids just have less of a work ethic and that is their disadvantage.

The point isn't that people don't have to over come things. The point is that if you take any two random people in the same situation:

black person with learning disability/white person with learning disability

black poor person/white poor person

black anxious person/white anxious person

The white person has a built in societal advantage over the black person.

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/15/2018 2:27:00 PM (view original):
If I have a household that contains four working adults and you have a household that contains two, should we try to compare household incomes?

100%

Because maybe the one with the 4 has to pay for childcare and has more expenses. Thank you finally admitting we should review everything on a case by case basis vs. your racist group think.

Progress...

Does the four working adult household have to pay for childcare?

And why wouldn't the two working adult household have to pay for childcare?

Wouldn't it be better to just compare individual income to individual income, instead of household, which can vary greatly in size and composition?

No. Because I may take a job making less for a better work/life balance because I have little kids. You may take one making more because your wife is home and you are the only wage earner. Case by case basis. Stats can be misleading.

So then we should ignore your stats on Asian median household income?

I never said ignore. But we should not base our entire thought process based on group stats. Everyone in America has equal rights and some start with some advantage and others with some disadvantage. The rest is up to the the individual.

Every American has equal rights under the law, but not every American has to overcome implicit bias because of the color of their skin.

No but they have to overcome other obstacles:

1. Learning disability
2. Too short
3. Too fat
4. Poor parents
5. Poor connections
6. Allergies
7. Anxiety
8. Fear of public speaking
9. Too ugly
10. Too frekled

NO ONE starts out on equal footing. We all start out with equal rights and then become the best we can. I met on Friday with a gentleman originally from India. He has been here for 30 years. First generation. Multi millionaire, built his own business. Started with nothing. Equal rights and he grabbed the bull by the horn. Sometimes privileged kids just have less of a work ethic and that is their disadvantage.

The point isn't that people don't have to over come things. The point is that if you take any two random people in the same situation:

black person with learning disability/white person with learning disability

black poor person/white poor person

black anxious person/white anxious person

The white person has a built in societal advantage over the black person.

Maybe or maybe not. No two situations are exactly alike. I hate Group Think.

Me no have white privilege.

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/15/2018 2:27:00 PM (view original):
If I have a household that contains four working adults and you have a household that contains two, should we try to compare household incomes?

100%

Because maybe the one with the 4 has to pay for childcare and has more expenses. Thank you finally admitting we should review everything on a case by case basis vs. your racist group think.

Progress...

Does the four working adult household have to pay for childcare?

And why wouldn't the two working adult household have to pay for childcare?

Wouldn't it be better to just compare individual income to individual income, instead of household, which can vary greatly in size and composition?

No. Because I may take a job making less for a better work/life balance because I have little kids. You may take one making more because your wife is home and you are the only wage earner. Case by case basis. Stats can be misleading.

So then we should ignore your stats on Asian median household income?

I never said ignore. But we should not base our entire thought process based on group stats. Everyone in America has equal rights and some start with some advantage and others with some disadvantage. The rest is up to the the individual.

Every American has equal rights under the law, but not every American has to overcome implicit bias because of the color of their skin.

No but they have to overcome other obstacles:

1. Learning disability
2. Too short
3. Too fat
4. Poor parents
5. Poor connections
6. Allergies
7. Anxiety
8. Fear of public speaking
9. Too ugly
10. Too frekled

NO ONE starts out on equal footing. We all start out with equal rights and then become the best we can. I met on Friday with a gentleman originally from India. He has been here for 30 years. First generation. Multi millionaire, built his own business. Started with nothing. Equal rights and he grabbed the bull by the horn. Sometimes privileged kids just have less of a work ethic and that is their disadvantage.

The point isn't that people don't have to over come things. The point is that if you take any two random people in the same situation:

black person with learning disability/white person with learning disability

black poor person/white poor person

black anxious person/white anxious person

The white person has a built in societal advantage over the black person.

Maybe or maybe not. No two situations are exactly alike. I hate Group Think.

No, definitely.

You just pointed out some obstacles. Who would you say is at an advantage between these two:

White kid with learning disability. White kid with no learning disability.

Everything else about them (socieconomic status, looks, connections) is the same.

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Posted by bad_luck on 10/15/2018 2:27:00 PM (view original):
If I have a household that contains four working adults and you have a household that contains two, should we try to compare household incomes?

100%

Because maybe the one with the 4 has to pay for childcare and has more expenses. Thank you finally admitting we should review everything on a case by case basis vs. your racist group think.

Progress...

Does the four working adult household have to pay for childcare?

And why wouldn't the two working adult household have to pay for childcare?

Wouldn't it be better to just compare individual income to individual income, instead of household, which can vary greatly in size and composition?

No. Because I may take a job making less for a better work/life balance because I have little kids. You may take one making more because your wife is home and you are the only wage earner. Case by case basis. Stats can be misleading.

So then we should ignore your stats on Asian median household income?

I never said ignore. But we should not base our entire thought process based on group stats. Everyone in America has equal rights and some start with some advantage and others with some disadvantage. The rest is up to the the individual.

Every American has equal rights under the law, but not every American has to overcome implicit bias because of the color of their skin.

No but they have to overcome other obstacles:

1. Learning disability
2. Too short
3. Too fat
4. Poor parents
5. Poor connections
6. Allergies
7. Anxiety
8. Fear of public speaking
9. Too ugly
10. Too frekled

NO ONE starts out on equal footing. We all start out with equal rights and then become the best we can. I met on Friday with a gentleman originally from India. He has been here for 30 years. First generation. Multi millionaire, built his own business. Started with nothing. Equal rights and he grabbed the bull by the horn. Sometimes privileged kids just have less of a work ethic and that is their disadvantage.

The point isn't that people don't have to over come things. The point is that if you take any two random people in the same situation:

black person with learning disability/white person with learning disability

black poor person/white poor person

black anxious person/white anxious person

The white person has a built in societal advantage over the black person.

Currently living in a poor predominantly white community, I must say this is simply not true. Poor whites in my town have the exact same struggles as poor blacks in say College Park, GA. You also see the same financial and educational mistakes and poor choices in both communities. There also seems to be the same reliance on public assistance and government in both situations.While all of this is purely anecdotal, I have had the privilege of living in both communities and there are many similarities. It's not a race issue. People that are born into money have advantages regardless of race.