Rule V Leg #61 Draft Thread Topic

Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the Mariners (!) have won two recent world series), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA


No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise).
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series.
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and present.
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first.

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him in at least five nine drafts)
10/8/2018 9:22 PM (edited)
Player Draft Order - Franchises selected are in RED.
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 10 629 991 0.3883
2 D'backs 22 1605 1959 0.4503
3 Tigers 32 2449 2737 0.4722
4 Pirates 28 2156 2380 0.4753
5 White Sox 16 1235 1357 0.4765
6 Rockies 17 1328 1426 0.4822
7 Rangers 25 1963 2088 0.4846
8 Angels 25 1963 2087 0.4847
9 Twins 32 2521 2665 0.4861
10 Brewers 29 2303 2398 0.4899
11 Orioles 34 2703 2806 0.4907
12 Marlins 26 2084 2130 0.4945
13 Expos 42 3389 3418 0.4979
14 Blue Jays 38 3067 3091 0.4981
15 Indians 40 3232 3249 0.4987
16 Mariners 39 3169 3151 0.5014
17 Padres 31 2519 2504 0.5015
18 Red Sox 42 3427 3378 0.5036
19 Phillies 40 3276 3207 0.5053
20 Reds 34 2797 2712 0.5077
21 Cubs 33 2722 2624 0.5092
22 Royals 37 3060 2937 0.5103
23 Mets 37 3061 2934 0.5106
24 Braves 41 3395 3247 0.5111
25 Giants 40 3334 3149 0.5143
26 Cardinals 42 3520 3285 0.5173
27 Yankees 37 3140 2854 0.5239
28 Dodgers 41 3494 3150 0.5259
29 A's 42 3613 3193 0.5309
30 Astros 42 3697 3108 0.5433
10/9/2018 11:57 AM (edited)
Franchise draft order (timed schedule begins MONDAY 10/8
  1. good_beef 60-102 .370 Kansas City Royals#
  2. bob_shabazz 65-97 .401* St. Louis Cardinals#
  3. spoonfed 67-95 .414 Houston Astros#
  4. tridentric 67-95 .414 Cincinnati Reds#
  5. Lincoln15 75-87 .463 Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals#
  6. DoctorKz 76-86 .469 Seattle Mariners#
  7. pumpkinmcp 77-85 .475 Minnesota Twins#
  8. spikeboots 77-85 .475 Toronto Blue Jays#
  9. mussopini23 78-84 .481 Boston Red Sox#
  10. ChitownBluz 78-84 .481 New York Yankees
  11. deathdealer 80-82 .494 Milwaukee Brewers#
  12. justinlee_24 81-81 .500 Cleveland Indians#
  13. schwarze 81-81 .500* Los Angeles Dodgers#
  14. specsman 85-77 .525 Oakland Athletics#
  15. dilligafdbp 86-76 .531 Texas Rangers#
  16. buddhagamer 88-74 .543 Chicago Cubs#
  17. shaybee 88-74 .543^ Tampa Bay Rays#
  18. captmurphy 88-74 .543^ Pittsburgh Pirates#
  19. ff09 89-73 .549^ Baltimore Orioles#
  20. newarkwilder 92-70 .568^ San Diego Padres#
  21. alleyviper 96-66 .593^ Miami Marlins#
  22. rbow923 97-65 .599^ Detroit Tigers#
  23. Chisock 83-79 .512# Atlanta Braves#
  24. sinfonian11 90-72 .556$ New York Mets#
* new owner
^ playoff team
# WS runner-up
$ WS champ

# Third round keeper sent.

Owner list for sitemailing: good_beef; bob_shabazz; spoonfed; tridentric; Lincoln15; DoctorKz; pumpkinmcp; spikeboots; mussopini23; ChitownBluz; deathdealer; justinlee_24; schwarze; specsman; dilligafdbp; buddhagamer; shaybee; captmurphy; ff09; newarkwilder; alleyviper; rbow923; Chisock; sinfonian11

Division Alignment

NL East: Mets, Braves, Marlins, Nats/Expos
NL Central: Pirates, Brewers, Cubs, Cardinals
NL West: Dodgers, Padres, Astros, Reds
AL East: Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles, Blue Jays
AL Central: Rays, Tigers, Indians, Twins
AL West: Royals, Mariners, Athletics, Rangers
10/17/2018 3:09 PM (edited)
Player Draft First Round (timed schedule begins FRIDAY 10/12)
  1. shaybee - Tampa Bay Rays: Kevin Brown - LAD
  2. rbow923 - Detroit Tigers: Adrian Beltre - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  3. captmurphy - Pittsburgh Pirates: Roger Clemens - HOU
  4. dilligafdbp - Texas Rangers: Bryce Harper - MON/WSH
  5. pumpkinmcp - Minnesota Twins: Rico Petrocelli - BOS
  6. deathdealer - Milwaukee Brewers: Joe Torre - STL
  7. ff09 - Baltimore Orioles: Fred Lynn - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  8. alleyviper - Miami Marlins: Derek Jeter - NYY
  9. Lincoln15 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Johnny Cueto - CIN
  10. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Chris Hoiles - BAL
  11. justinlee_24 - Cleveland Indians: Fritz Peterson - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  12. DoctorKz - Seattle Mariners: Joey Votto - CIN (Reds off the board)
  13. newarkwilder - San Diego Padres: Larry Dierker - HOU (Astros off the board)
  14. mussopini23 - Boston Red Sox: Gary Sheffield- ATL
  15. tridentric - Cincinnati Reds: Jim Thome - CLE
  16. buddhagamer - Chicago Cubs: Ozzie Smith - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  17. good_beef - Kansas City Royals: Randy Jones- SDP
  18. sinfonian11 - New York Mets: Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH (Expos/Nats off the board)
  19. Chisock - Atlanta Braves: Roberto Alomar - BAL (Orioles off the board)
  20. bob_shabazz - St. Louis Cardinals: Kevin Appier - KCR
  21. ChitownBluz - New York Yankees: Fergie Jenkins - TEX
  22. schwarze - Los Angeles Dodgers: Roberto Alomar - TOR
  23. specsman - Oakland Athletics: Josh Donaldson - TOR (Blue Jays off the board)
  24. spoonfed - Houston Astros: Kenny Lofton - CLE (Indians off the board)
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule begins TUESDAY 10/16)
  1. shaybee - Tampa Bay Rays: Derek Lowe - BOS
  2. rbow923 - Detroit Tigers: Fernando Valenzuela - LAD
  3. captmurphy - Pittsburgh Pirates: AFTBOAT - STL
  4. dilligafdbp - Texas Rangers: Don Wilson - HOU
  5. pumpkinmcp - Minnesota Twins: Dave Righetti - NYY
  6. deathdealer - Milwaukee Brewers: Craig Kimbrel - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  7. ff09 - Baltimore Orioles: JR Richard - HOU (Astros off the board)
  8. alleyviper - Miami Marlins: David Cone - KCR
  9. Lincoln15 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Terry Pendleton - ATL
  10. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Tony Phillips - DET
  11. justinlee_24 - Cleveland Indians: Rich Hill - OAK
  12. DoctorKz - Seattle Mariners: Darrell Porter - KCR
  13. newarkwilder - San Diego Padres: Rafael Furcal - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  14. mussopini23 - Boston Red Sox: Mariano Rivera - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  15. tridentric - Cincinnati Reds: Jose DeLeon - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  16. buddhagamer - Chicago Cubs: Reggie Jackson - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  17. good_beef - Kansas City Royals: Jean Segura - MIL
  18. sinfonian11 - New York Mets: Jay Bell - PIT
  19. Chisock - Atlanta Braves: Carlos Guillen - DET (Tigers off the board)
  20. bob_shabazz - St. Louis Cardinals: Darrell Evans - ATL (Braves off the board)
  21. ChitownBluz - New York Yankees: Paul Molitor - MIL (Brewers off the board)
  22. schwarze - Los Angeles Dodgers: Jose Reyes - NYM
  23. specsman - Oakland Athletics: Frank Robinson - BAL
  24. spoonfed - Houston Astros: Eric Davis - CIN
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule begins FRIDAY 10/19)
  1. shaybee - Tampa Bay Rays: Hideo Nomo - LAD
  2. rbow923 - Detroit Tigers: Bob Gibson - STL
  3. captmurphy - Pittsburgh Pirates: Larry Gura - KCR
  4. dilligafdbp - Texas Rangers: Roger Nelson - KCR (Royals off the board)
  5. pumpkinmcp - Minnesota Twins: Dick Bosman - TEX
  6. deathdealer - Milwaukee Brewers: Bobby Murcer - NYY
  7. ff09 - Baltimore Orioles: Rickey Henderson - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  8. alleyviper - Miami Marlins: Willie Hernandez - DET
  9. Lincoln15 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Ichiro Suzuki - SEA
  10. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Cesar Cedeno - HOU
  11. justinlee_24 - Cleveland Indians: Anthony Rizzo - CHC
  12. DoctorKz - Seattle Mariners: Jerry Koosman - NYM
  13. newarkwilder - San Diego Padres: Mookie Betts - BOS
  14. mussopini23 - Boston Red Sox: Jacob DeGrom - NYM (Mets off the board)
  15. tridentric - Cincinnati Reds: Tim Burke MON/WSH
  16. buddhagamer - Chicago Cubs: Tim Hudson - OAK
  17. good_beef - Kansas City Royals: Jon Matlack - TEX (Rangers off the board)
  18. sinfonian11 - New York Mets: CC Sabathia - MIL
  19. Chisock - Atlanta Braves: Ken Singleton - BAL
  20. bob_shabazz - St. Louis Cardinals: Bruce Sutter - CHC (Cubs off the board)
  21. ChitownBluz - New York Yankees: Todd Frohwirth - BAL (Orioles off the board)
  22. schwarze - Los Angeles Dodgers: JD Drew - ATL
  23. specsman - Oakland Athletics: Shawn Green - TOR
  24. spoonfed - Houston Astros: John Valentin - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
10/20/2018 12:07 AM (edited)
List of keepers/draft picks

shaybee - Tampa Bay Rays: Fernando Rodney, Evan Longoria, Carlos Pena, Ben Zobrist, Randy Winn, Kevin Brown - LAD, Joaquin Benoit, Derek Lowe - BOS, Grant Balfour, Hideo Nomo - LAD

rbow923 - Detroit Tigers: Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Miguel Cabrera, Alan Trammell, Curtis Granderson, Adrian Beltre - LAD, Magglio Ordonez, Fernando Valenzuela - LAD, Placido Polanco, Bob Gibson - STL

captmurphy - Pittsburgh Pirates: Barry Bonds, Goose Gossage, Freddie Sanchez, Willie Stargell, Rick Reuschel, Roger Clemens - HOU, Brian Giles, AFTBOAT - STL, Andy Van Slyke, Larry Gura - KCR

dilligafdbp - Texas Rangers: Alex Rodriguez, Rafael Palmeiro, Josh Hamilton, Ivan Rodriguez, TSMOPOAT, Bryce Harper - MON/WSH, Adrian Beltre, Don Wilson - HOU, Ian Kinsler, Roger Nelson - KCR

pumpkinmcp - Minnesota Twins: Johan Santana, Kirby Puckett, Joe Mauer, Chuck Knoblauch, Rod Carew, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Joe Nathan, Dave Righetti - NYY, Tom Hall, Dick Bosman - TEX

deathdealer - Milwaukee Brewers: Teddy Higuera, Ben Sheets, Mike Caldwell, Fernando Vina, Robin Yount, Joe Torre - STL, Jeff Cirillo, Craig Kimbrel - BOS, Cecil Cooper, Bobby Murcer - NYY

ff09 - Baltimore Orioles: TSMOPPOAT, Jim Palmer, Mike Cuellar, Brady Anderson, Chris Davis, Fred Lynn - BOS, Zach Britton, JR Richard - HOU, Andrew Miller, Rickey Henderson - NYY

alleyviper - Miami Marlins: Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, Gary Sheffield, Jose Fernandez, Kevin Brown, Derek Jeter - NYY, Mike Piazza, David Cone - KCR, Armando Benitez, Willie Hernandez - DET

Lincoln15 - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Pedro Martinez, Dennis Martinez, Max Scherzer, Gary Carter, Tim Raines, Johnny Cueto - CIN, Daniel Murphy, Terry Pendleton - ATL, Pascual Perez, Ichiro Suzuki - SEA

spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: John Olerud, Jose Bautista, Carlos Delgado, Tony Fernandez, Roger Clemens, Chris Hoiles - BAL, Roy Halladay, Tony Phillips - DET, BJ Ryan, Cesar Cedeno - HOU

justinlee24 - Cleveland Indians: Gaylord Perry, Corey Kluber, Albert Belle, Roberto Alomar, Manny Ramirez, Fritz Peterson - NYY, Francisco Lindor, Rich Hill - OAK, Jose Ramirez, Anthony Rizzo - CHC

DoctorKz - Seattle Mariners: Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Randy Johnson, Felix Hernandez, Freddy Garcia, Joey Votto- CIN, Edgar Martinez, Darrell Porter - KCR, Robinson Cano, Jerry Koosman - NYM

newarkwilder - San Diego Padres: Mark Loretta, Ken Caminiti, Tony Gwynn, Jake Peavy, Kevin Brown, Larry Dierker - HOU, Gary Sheffield, Rafael Furcal - LAD, Heath Bell, Mookie Betts - BOS

mussopini23 - Boston Red Sox: Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Chris Sale, Wade Boggs, Nomar Garciaparra, Gary Sheffield- ATL, Carl Yastrzemski, Mariano Rivera - NYY, Carlton Fisk, Jacob DeGrom - NYM

tridentric - Cincinnati Reds: Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, HWMNBN, George Foster, Tom Seaver, Jim Thome - CLE, Barry Larkin, Jose DeLeon - STL, Aroldis Chapman, Tim Burke - MON/WSH

buddhagamer - Chicago Cubs: Jake Arrieta, Greg Maddux, Sammy Sosa, Ryne Sandberg, Derrek Lee, Ozzie Smith - STL, Billy Williams, Reggie Jackson - OAK, Rick Wilkins, Tim Hudson - OAK

good_beef - Kansas City Royals: George Brett, Willie Wilson, Bret Saberhagen, Mike Sweeney, Zack Greinke, Randy Jones- SDP, Wade Davis, Jean Segura - MIL, Salvador Perez, Jon Matlack - TEX

sinfonian11 - New York Mets: Tom Seaver, Pedro Martinez, Dwight Gooden, Matt Harvey, David Wright, Vladimir Guerrero- MON/WSH, Mike Piazza, Jay Bell - PIT, John Olerud, CC Sabathia - MIL

Chisock - Atlanta Braves: Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Kevin Millwood, Roberto Alomar - BAL, Javy Lopez, Carlos Guillen - DET, Kris Medlen, Ken Singleton - BAL

bob_shabazz - St. Louis Cardinals: John Tudor, Albert Pujols, Mark McGwire, Willie McGee, Ted Simmons, Kevin Appier - KCR, Chris Carpenter, Darrell Evans - ATL, Jim Edmonds, Bruce Sutter - CHC

ChitownBluz - New York Yankees: Catfish Hunter, Ron Guidry, Don Mattingly, Paul O'Neill, Bernie Williams, Fergie Jenkins - TEX, Alex Rodriguez, Paul Molitor - MIL, Masahiro Tanaka, Todd Frohwirth - BAL

schwarze - Los Angeles Dodgers: Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Orel Hershiser, Don Sutton, Mike Piazza, Roberto Alomar - TOR, Pedro Guerrero, Jose Reyes - NYM, Reggie Smith, JD Drew - ATL

specsman - Oakland Athletics: Jason Giambi, Rickey Henderson, Catfish Hunter, Vida Blue, Mike Norris, Josh Donaldson - TOR, Dennis Eckersley, Frank Robinson - BAL, Andrew Bailey, Shawn Green - TOR

spoonfed - Houston Astros: Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, Lance Berkman, TSMOPOAT, Mike Scott, Kenny Lofton - CLE, Don Sutton, Eric Davis - CIN, Bob Knepper, John Valentin - BOS
10/20/2018 12:08 AM (edited)
I select the Rockford Peaches

Oh shoot I jumped the line
10/6/2018 12:30 PM
Posted by alleyviper on 10/6/2018 12:30:00 PM (view original):
I select the Rockford Peaches

Oh shoot I jumped the line
10/6/2018 1:34 PM
Scott Rolen would look good in a Peaches uniform.
10/6/2018 1:47 PM
I am ready to go but if no one picks today, I will have to proxy my team choices to the commish. We start hiking again tomorrow and I will be without internet until Wed nite or Thursday
10/7/2018 10:47 AM
I am ready to go but if no one picks today, I will have to proxy my team choices to the commish. We start hiking again tomorrow and I will be without internet until Wed nite or Thursday
10/7/2018 10:47 AM
I'll put up a timed schedule for tomorrow and sitemail it to everyone shortly.
10/7/2018 2:09 PM
sounds good
10/7/2018 7:49 PM
Evidently bob_shabazz is still having technical difficulties with his forum access, but he selects St Louis Cardinals by proxy.
10/8/2018 10:41 AM
I will take the Houston Astros
10/8/2018 11:02 AM
Via proxy, tridentric takes the Cincinnati Reds.
10/8/2018 11:34 AM
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