Posted by laramiebob on 8/13/2019 7:43:00 PM (view original):
I completely agree with that. If I said otherwise I misspoke. I LOVE many songs few others have heard.

BUT, it does beg the question........... IS it a great song IF only the trees and rocks hear it?
Of course. But I didn't think that that kind of "great" is what you were after.
If so, then it's hard to beat the moaning of the morning wind down the canon.
Yes. Music is a form of poetry. The worst thing a musical composition can be is irrelevant. If it evokes emotion in the receiver, then the piece has done its intended job of conveying a personal message from composer to listener...which can differ from person to person. It's that conveyance of emotion that makes for great art, not how it stacks up in a popularity contest.
8/13/2019 8:00 PM
Posted by laramiebob on 8/13/2019 7:43:00 PM (view original):
I completely agree with that. If I said otherwise I misspoke. I LOVE many songs few others have heard.

BUT, it does beg the question........... IS it a great song IF only the trees and rocks hear it?
Of course. But I didn't think that that kind of "great" is what you were after.
If so, then it's hard to beat the moaning of the morning wind down the canon.
well, Bob..I asked what makes a song great in your view, so if you view is that popular appeal is part of it, then that is what makes a song great to you. You can have a great song that nobody ever hears. That does not take away from its greatness. I'm sure you'll agree that the popularity of a song depends on many things....timing, subject matter, getting airplay on the radio. Quality of the song is a small part of what makes a song popular in my opinion. Sometimes it is no part. How else would you explain Justin Beiber or Celine Dion?Or Coldplay?
8/14/2019 12:46 PM
Posted by wylie715 on 8/14/2019 12:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by laramiebob on 8/13/2019 7:43:00 PM (view original):
I completely agree with that. If I said otherwise I misspoke. I LOVE many songs few others have heard.

BUT, it does beg the question........... IS it a great song IF only the trees and rocks hear it?
Of course. But I didn't think that that kind of "great" is what you were after.
If so, then it's hard to beat the moaning of the morning wind down the canon.
well, Bob..I asked what makes a song great in your view, so if you view is that popular appeal is part of it, then that is what makes a song great to you. You can have a great song that nobody ever hears. That does not take away from its greatness. I'm sure you'll agree that the popularity of a song depends on many things....timing, subject matter, getting airplay on the radio. Quality of the song is a small part of what makes a song popular in my opinion. Sometimes it is no part. How else would you explain Justin Beiber or Celine Dion?Or Coldplay?
Wylie. I already clarified (I think) that I believe popularity has nothing to do with a song's greatness.

I can't explain Celine Dion or Justin Bieber anymore than I could explain some of the stuff from my own generation that was trite and awful (garbage).

But, really, a great composition SHOULD bring SOMETHING to whoever hears it. Some emotional hit. Some wonderment, some enlightenment or just some pure joyful entertainment. And, perhaps, anyone from any lifeway or era, or culture should find it wonderful in some way.

A great song from the 1920's or 30's should be "liked" by someone form the 80's or 90's, and vice versa.
It needs be timeless, I think. I know that's somewhat of a cliche, but I think it's true.

A song NO ONE ever hears........... can that be a great song??
Who's to say? The creator of the song is not an unbiased judge as to it's "greatness".
That depends on the other ears it reaches.

My unheard love song to Lucy Palm, no matter how great I might feel it is, is likely NOT great........... by a long mile.
8/14/2019 3:29 PM
well said dino!
8/14/2019 5:08 PM
Posted by laramiebob on 8/14/2019 3:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by wylie715 on 8/14/2019 12:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by laramiebob on 8/13/2019 7:43:00 PM (view original):
I completely agree with that. If I said otherwise I misspoke. I LOVE many songs few others have heard.

BUT, it does beg the question........... IS it a great song IF only the trees and rocks hear it?
Of course. But I didn't think that that kind of "great" is what you were after.
If so, then it's hard to beat the moaning of the morning wind down the canon.
well, Bob..I asked what makes a song great in your view, so if you view is that popular appeal is part of it, then that is what makes a song great to you. You can have a great song that nobody ever hears. That does not take away from its greatness. I'm sure you'll agree that the popularity of a song depends on many things....timing, subject matter, getting airplay on the radio. Quality of the song is a small part of what makes a song popular in my opinion. Sometimes it is no part. How else would you explain Justin Beiber or Celine Dion?Or Coldplay?
Wylie. I already clarified (I think) that I believe popularity has nothing to do with a song's greatness.

I can't explain Celine Dion or Justin Bieber anymore than I could explain some of the stuff from my own generation that was trite and awful (garbage).

But, really, a great composition SHOULD bring SOMETHING to whoever hears it. Some emotional hit. Some wonderment, some enlightenment or just some pure joyful entertainment. And, perhaps, anyone from any lifeway or era, or culture should find it wonderful in some way.

A great song from the 1920's or 30's should be "liked" by someone form the 80's or 90's, and vice versa.
It needs be timeless, I think. I know that's somewhat of a cliche, but I think it's true.

A song NO ONE ever hears........... can that be a great song??
Who's to say? The creator of the song is not an unbiased judge as to it's "greatness".
That depends on the other ears it reaches.

My unheard love song to Lucy Palm, no matter how great I might feel it is, is likely NOT great........... by a long mile.
Yes, a great song should bring something to whoever hers it. I agree with that. That has nothing to do with popularity. If not too many people get a chance to hear a particular song, does that detract from its greatness? I'm obviously somewhat biased, but I think I have written some pretty good songs with friends and fellow band members (back when I still played in a band). Unfortunately, hardly anyone got to hear them.

who the hell is Lucy Palm?
8/14/2019 6:29 PM
And her five fingers......
8/14/2019 6:47 PM
right.. I asked what makes a song great to you. I'm answering my own question. I feel popularity has very little to do with the greatness of a song, or a work of art, or a poem. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
8/14/2019 7:21 PM
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stump for (t)rump
army brats
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thou shalt not covet your neighbor - when you can actually swindle and steal from your neighbor
thou shalt not murder unless it is a journalist or done on my behalf
brazil 666
more excerpts from the book of trump
honor my father and my mother - especially my father
you shall have no other idols before me
thou shalt not steal but you shall donate your earnings and monies and savings to my holdings and my properties and show proper allegiance to your don always
thou shalt not bear false witness and thou shalt not respond as a witness to any subpoena regarding me and if thou doth testify in any court proceeding about me then and then and alone thou shall bear false witness if it favors me or any of the royal trump family and associates.
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tweet to the beat
my morona
my corona
crocked and loaded
9/16/2019 12:35 PM (edited)
Posted by dino27 on 8/29/2019 9:39:00 PM (view original):
i hold such fools to be self evident.
a flock of sea ghouls.
maniacal misery bores
president, guns and money
real to real cacophony
simple minds
tower of babel
redrum
too many gorkas spoil the soup
brain salad perjury
mayor of simpleton
freedom of screed
home home on de ranged
weak minded psycho killers
enema of the people
the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy
baboon o reilly
if i cant get what i want ikea.
27-26-46.
im so bored with the usa
elvis ******* christ
sun kil moon
talk talk
jerry springer soundtrack album
mary's danish
souxie and the banshees
killing joke
the education of dr john
second coming of gotti
president gas
calamity don
additive inverse
brazil 666
canard in a coal mine
blah blah blah blah baaah
Vietnamese is the new Chinese
just gimme some trutth
old yellin - pow pow pow
chinese rock
so many enemies so little time
rock and roll and rest and relaxation and ranting and raving
let them eat snake
so much winning
cant live with him cant kill him
snookeroo
melvin is risen rejoice
pop go the weasels
shake hands with zoltar
bow wow wow
the stooges no fun
boast in hell
LOL every day before you brush your teeth
whenever possible laugh all the way to the bank
skip to the loo
bullshit in a china shop
veronica lake
veronica mars
veronica quartet
brazil 666
television - see no evil
evolution number 9
hill house comics
basta fazool
king of the final frontier
sebastion gorka makes me puke
babushka
nos4a2
clyde hatter
buster keaton vs charlie chaplin in 3 falls
impudent elitist snobs
from a monkey to a maggot
brazil 666
the cockroaches shall inherit the earth
circus maximus 7
xi loves me xi loves me not
yeah yeah yeah
animal kingdom
lana del rey
aldo ray
babbling brooks
dumb as bricks
one bright morning in the middle of the night
the nation's leader came out to fight
step by step he faced his self
and drew his sword and shot himself
soylent green
amazon crime
brazil 666
inverted curves 999
russian money....give me your paw
follow the rubles very closely
rosebud was not a sled
in the olden times if you were on the side of the russians against the usa you were considered a communist
eat kosher salami
putin on the ritz
country club before country
comfortably dumb
pandora's box
stump for (t)rump
army brats
excerpts from the book of trump
thou shalt not covet your neighbor - when you can actually swindle and steal from your neighbor
thou shalt not murder unless it is a journalist or done on my behalf
brazil 666
more excerpts from the book of trump
honor my father and my mother - especially my father
you shall have no other idols before me
thou shalt not steal but you shall donate your earnings and monies and savings to my holdings and my properties and show proper allegiance to your don always
thou shalt not bear false witness and thou shalt not respond as a witness to any subpoena regarding me and if thou doth testify in any court proceeding about me then and then and alone thou shall bear false witness if it favors me or any of the royal trump family and associates.
milo vance
I think you should talk with someone, dino. This goes beyond venting. Hope you're OK.
8/30/2019 8:08 AM
Quote post by wylie715 on 8/14/2019 6:29:00 PM:
I'm obviously somewhat biased, but I think I have written some pretty good songs with friends and fellow band members (back when I still played in a band). Unfortunately, hardly anyone got to hear them.

Do tell or let us hear. This is a song from my former band RAY STREET PARK called "Comatose." We had some good success with it on Detroit area radio around 2006-7. I retired in 2010 but I've recently started a writing partnership with a great guitarist who is currently working with Motown bassist Tony Newton. I've been a bassist for about 35 years.

8/30/2019 5:33 PM (edited)
Redlining me was a mistake dino. I have every right to post here and I am following the site rules. I will re-post my comment under this ID. Redline it again and I will be speaking with WIS about banning your privileges.
8/30/2019 9:27 PM
OK.
8/30/2019 9:29 PM
is this a legitimate post? How do know? Is there an official legitimate post definition?
8/31/2019 11:36 PM
What does any of this have to do with Mexican Water?
That is what shows as the topic of the thread (at least for now).
Maybe it should all be redlined for being off-topic.
9/1/2019 9:44 AM
There's a place in Utah called Mexican Hat. A rock too. Hot and dry there. I once walked nakkid in the desert in those parts. Ran right into a herd of sheep. Never saw the herder. Expect he/she was hiding. I'd have been terrified too. You ever seen a white man nakkid in the desert? Not a pretty site.
9/1/2019 12:29 PM
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