Rule V Leg #65 Draft Thread Topic

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Originally created many moons ago by examinerebb, this league makes any franchise a contender (the White Sox just got to game seven of the world series), and a better group of owners can't be found on the site. There is much good-natured banter in the draft thread and the league chat, so bring your sense of humor. The rules are simple:

1. Each owner chooses a franchise. Franchise draft order is in inverse order of win percentage from the previous season for non-playoff teams, then inverse order of win percentage of non-World Series playoff teams, with the WS runner-up picking 23rd, and the WS champ choosing last. New owners will be assigned the draft position of any previous owners who are not returning, with the first to sign up receiving the highest slot, and so on. Division alignment will be determined by the commissioner after team selection is complete. We will attempt to keep divisions as close to real life as possible. Geography will be the first factor, but we will also attempt to maintain traditional rivalries if possible.

2. Each owner chooses five players he/she wishes to protect from that franchise (1969-present) and submits that list via sitemail to me. Those players are the exclusive property of their respective owners.

3. After all lists are submitted, they will be posted and a three round modified Rule V draft will be held, with draft order being inverse order of each franchise's Rule V win percentage through all legs from which we have data (the worst teams pick first). Many thanks to schwarze for compiling this data. Each owner selects one unprotected player from any active franchise but their own (player seasons for franchises that were not chosen are not eligible). That player is also theirs exclusively. No more than two players may be taken from any one franchise in any one round.

4. At the end of the first and second rounds, each owner will choose an additional player they wish to protect. You will end up protecting seven in all, while drafting three. These ten players must appear on your roster. The rest of the roster is filled by players from your franchise during the given time period (1969-present day).

$120 Million Cap
No trades
No WW
No DH
No AAA

No clones (same player, same franchise - if a player played for more than one franchise, he is available once for each franchise).
If a player split time between multiple teams in a season (as listed at WIS) his full season is available once for each team
SLL limited to current series.
Stadium must have been used by your franchise for at least one full season between 1969 and present.
Tiebreaker for draft positions will be run differential from the previous season, worse differential picks first.

For those new to the Rule V fold:

There is much good-natured ribbing during the draft (we try not to be too player-specific, so as not to influence the draft, but sometimes the temptation is too much). Do not take it personally. Pick a draft strategy and stay the course, regardless.

Glossary

He Who Must Not Be Named (HWMNBN) - A former player/manager/dirtbag for the Cincinnati Reds (and later, Philadelphia Phillies and Montreal Expos) who defiled the grand game of baseball. No Rule V team has ever won a title with him, so heed jose's warnings about karma. I would imagine Lady Karma grows weary from teaching the same lesson over and over, as the ruler with which she raps offending knuckles seems to grow with each passing season. The scumbag finally won a couple of championships. Lady Karma has stunned us all with this development

The Single Most Overrated Pitcher of All Time (TSMOPOAT) - Nolan Ryan

The Single Most Overrated Position Player of All Time (TSMOPPOAT) - Cal Ripken, Jr.

(Both of those players designated by Vegas...see below)

Vegas - jose can u c - Our Rule V Prediction King (emeritus)

Newest Entry: Alleyviper's Favorite Third Baseman of All Time (AFTBOAT) - Scott Rolen (has picked him in ten drafts)
9/30/2019 5:29 AM
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Player Draft Order - Franchises selected are in RED
Rank Franchise Years _Wins_ Losses Wining%
1 Rays 13 847 1259 0.4022
2 D'backs 24 1772 2116 0.4558
3 Pirates 32 2451 2733 0.4728
4 Tigers 36 2760 3074 0.4731
5 White Sox 19 1466 1612 0.4763
6 Twins 36 2818 3016 0.4830
7 Angels 27 2128 2247 0.4864
8 Rockies 18 1419 1498 0.4865
9 Rangers 26 2053 2160 0.4873
10 Brewers 33 2631 2719 0.4918
11 Marlins 27 2162 2214 0.4941
12 Orioles 37 2979 3016 0.4969
13 Expos 46 3711 3744 0.4978
14 Blue Jays 42 3388 3418 0.4978
15 Padres 33 2669 2678 0.4992
16 Indians 44 3575 3554 0.5015
17 Red Sox 46 3738 3715 0.5015
18 Mariners 43 3504 3465 0.5028
19 Phillies 42 3439 3368 0.5052
20 Reds 38 3114 3043 0.5058
21 Cubs 36 2961 2871 0.5077
22 Royals 41 3389 3256 0.5100
23 Mets 41 3400 3243 0.5118
24 Braves 45 3733 3557 0.5121
25 Giants 42 3489 3318 0.5126
26 Cardinals 46 3857 3596 0.5175
27 Yankees 42 3551 3253 0.5219
28 A's 46 3932 3522 0.5275
29 Dodgers 45 3853 3439 0.5284
30 Astros 46 3999 3454 0.5366
10/2/2019 9:48 AM (edited)
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Franchise Draft (timed schedule begins TUESDAY 10/1)
  1. tridentric 61-101 Colorado Rockies*
  2. spoonfed 64-98 New York Mets*
  3. mussopini23 68-94 .420 Arizona Diamondbacks*
  4. nordawg 71-91 .438 Pittsburgh Pirates*
  5. specsman 71-91 .438 San Francisco Giants*
  6. spikeboots 74-88 .457 Toronto Blue Jays*
  7. deathdealer 76-86 .469 New York Yankees*
  8. captmurphy 77-85 .475 Los Angeles Angels*
  9. newarkwilder 78-84 .481 Cleveland Indians
  10. justinlee_24 79-83 .488 Houston Astros*
  11. Lincoln15 81-81 .500 Boston Red Sox*
  12. atheistdeals 81-81 .500 Oakland Athletics*
  13. sakensei 83-79 .512 Los Angeles Dodgers*
  14. ff09 85-77 .525 Chicago Cubs*
  15. pumpkinmcp 86-76 .531 St. Louis Cardinals*
  16. buddhagamer 88-74 .543 Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals*
  17. Chisock 80-82 .494* Atlanta Braves*
  18. trenchfoot 89-73 .549* Texas Rangers*
  19. dilligafdbp 89-73 .549* Minnesota Twins*
  20. bob_shabazz 91-71 .562* Philadelphia Phillies*
  21. sinfonian11 94-68 .580* Kansas City Royals*
  22. alleyviper 95-67 .586* Detroit Tigers*
  23. shaybee 91-71 .562% Baltimore Orioles*
  24. schwarze 92-70 .568$^ Cincinnati Reds*
* playoff team
% WS runner-up
$ WS champ
^ new owner

* Third round keeper sent

List of owners for sitemailing: tridentric; spoonfed; mussopini23; nordawg; specsman; spikeboots; deathdealer; captmurphy; newarkwilder; justinlee_24; Lincoln15; atheistdeals; sakensei; ff09; pumpkinmcp; buddhagamer; Chisock; trenchfoot; dilligafdbp; bob_shabazz; sinfonian11; alleyviper; shaybee; schwarze

Division Alignment

NL East: Braves, Expos/Nats, Mets, Phillies
NL Central: Cubs, Cardinals, Pirates, Reds
NL West: Dodgers, Giants, Rockies, Diamondbacks
AL East: Red Sox, Yankees, Blue Jays, Orioles
AL Central: Tigers, Indians, Royals, Twins
AL West: Astros, Athletics, Rangers, Angels
10/9/2019 9:18 AM (edited)
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Player Draft First Round (timed schedule FRIDAY 10/4)
  1. mussopini23 - Arizona Diamondbacks TSMOPOAT - LAA
  2. nordawg - Pittsburgh Pirates Johnny Cueto - CIN
  3. alleyviper - Detroit Tigers Orel Hershiser - LAD
  4. dilligafdbp - Minnesota Twins TSMOPOAT - HOU
  5. captmurphy - Los Angeles Angels Willie McCovey - SFG
  6. tridentric - Colorado Rockies Mike Norris - OAK
  7. trenchfoot - Texas Rangers Matt Harvey - NYM
  8. shaybee - Baltimore Orioles Mark Eichhorn - TOR
  9. buddhagamer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Corey Kluber - CLE
  10. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays Kevin Brown - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  11. newarkwilder - Cleveland Indians Kevin Appier - KCR
  12. Lincoln15 - Boston Red Sox Joe Torre - STL
  13. bob_shabazz - Philadelphia Phillies Rico Petrocelli - BOS
  14. schwarze - Cincinnati Reds JR Richard - HOU (Astros off the board)
  15. ff09 - Chicago Cubs Willie McGee - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  16. sinfonian11 - Kansas City Royals Nomar Garciaparra - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  17. spoonfed - New York Mets Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH
  18. Chisock - Atlanta Braves Pedro Martinez - NYM (Mets off the board)
  19. specsman - San Francisco Giants Billy Williams - CHC
  20. pumpkinmcp - St. Louis Cardinals Tom Seaver - CIN (Reds off the board)
  21. deathdealer - New York Yankees Gary Sheffield - ATL
  22. atheistdeals - Oakland Athletics Troy Tulowitzki - COL
  23. sakensei - Los Angeles Dodgers Roberto Alomar - CLE (Indians off the board)
  24. justinlee_24 - Houston Astros Jimmy Rollins - PHI
Player Draft Second Round (timed schedule starts TUESDAY 10/8)
  1. mussopini23 - Arizona Diamondbacks Buster Posey - SFG
  2. nordawg - Pittsburgh Pirates Larry Dierker - HOU
  3. alleyviper - Detroit Tigers Fred Lynn - BOS
  4. dilligafdbp - Minnesota Twins Ozzie Smith - STL
  5. captmurphy - Los Angeles Angels Dave Righetti - NYY
  6. tridentric - Colorado Rockies Bob Gibson - STL (Cardinals off the board)
  7. trenchfoot - Texas Rangers Alex Rodriguez - NYY (Yankees off the board)
  8. shaybee - Baltimore Orioles JD Martinez - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  9. buddhagamer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Rafael Furcal - ATL
  10. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays Don Wilson - HOU (Astros off the board)
  11. newarkwilder - Cleveland Indians Pedro Guerrero - LAD
  12. Lincoln15 - Boston Red Sox Tony Phillips - DET
  13. bob_shabazz - Philadelphia Phillies Rico Carty - ATL (Braves off the board)
  14. schwarze - Cincinnati Reds Tim Hudson - OAK
  15. ff09 - Chicago Cubs Alan Trammell - DET (Tigers off the board)
  16. sinfonian11 - Kansas City Royals Jeff Kent - SFG (Giants off the board)
  17. spoonfed - New York Mets Rickey Henderson - TOR
  18. Chisock - Atlanta Braves Trevor Story - COL
  19. specsman - San Francisco Giants Rick Wilkins - CHC
  20. pumpkinmcp - St. Louis Cardinals Willie Stargell - PIT
  21. deathdealer - New York Yankees Lee Mazzilli - NYM
  22. atheistdeals - Oakland Athletics Darren Daulton - PHI
  23. sakensei - Los Angeles Dodgers Charlie Blackmon - COL (Rockies off the board)
  24. justinlee_24 - Houston Astros Bruce Sutter - CHC (Cubs off the board)
Player Draft Third Round (timed schedule starts THURSDAY 10/10)
  1. mussopini23 - Arizona Diamondbacks Miguel Tejada - BAL
  2. nordawg - Pittsburgh Pirates Don Mattingly - NYY
  3. alleyviper - Detroit Tigers Darrell Evans - ATL
  4. dilligafdbp - Minnesota Twins Rickey Henderson - NYY
  5. captmurphy - Los Angeles Angels Carlton Fisk - BOS
  6. tridentric - Colorado Rockies Bill Singer - LAD
  7. trenchfoot - Texas Rangers Stephen Strasburg - MON/WSH
  8. shaybee - Baltimore Orioles Jimmy Key - TOR
  9. buddhagamer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals Eddie Murray - BAL (Orioles off the board)
  10. spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays Ivan Rodriguez - TEX
  11. newarkwilder - Cleveland Indians Blake Treinen - OAK
  12. Lincoln15 - Boston Red Sox Dennis Eckersley - OAK (Athletics off the board)
  13. bob_shabazz - Philadelphia Phillies Roy Halladay - TOR (Blue Jays off the board)
  14. schwarze - Cincinnati Reds Roy Halladay - PHI
  15. ff09 - Chicago Cubs Victor Martinez - DET
  16. sinfonian11 - Kansas City Royals Manny Ramirez - BOS (Red Sox off the board)
  17. spoonfed - New York Mets Hong-Chih Kuo - LAD (Dodgers off the board)
  18. Chisock - Atlanta Braves Billy Wagner - PHI (Phillies off the board)
  19. specsman - San Francisco Giants Eric Young - COL
  20. pumpkinmcp - St. Louis Cardinals Rob Dibble - CIN
  21. deathdealer - New York Yankees Jose Leclerc - TEX (Rangers off the board)
  22. atheistdeals - Oakland Athletics Craig Biggio - HOU
  23. sakensei - Los Angeles Dodgers Rod Beck - SFG
  24. justinlee_24 - Houston Astros Terry Pendleton - ATL
10/10/2019 10:38 PM (edited)
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List of Keepers/Draftees

mussopini23 - Arizona Diamondbacks: Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling, Daniel Hudson, Paul Goldschmidt, Luis Gonzalez, TSMOPOAT - LAA, Matt Williams, Buster Posey - SFG, JJ Putz, Miguel Tejada - BAL

nordawg - Pittsburgh Pirates: Jason Kendall, Barry Bonds, Brian Giles, Andrew McCutchen, Doug Drabek, Johnny Cueto - CIN, Jay Bell, Larry Dierker - HOU, Freddy Sanchez, Don Mattingly - NYY

alleyviper - Detroit Tigers: Miguel Cabrera, Magglio Ordonez, Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, Willie Hernandez, Orel Hershiser - LAD, Carlos Guillen, Fred Lynn - BOS, Doug Fister, Darrell Evans - ATL

dilligafdbp - Minnesota Twins: Joe Mauer, Rod Carew, Kirby Puckett, Lyman Bostock, Johan Santana, TSMOPOAT - HOU, Chuck Knoblauch, Ozzie Smith - STL, Joe Nathan, Rickey Henderson - NYY

captmurphy - Los Angeles Angels: Mike Trout, Darin Erstad, Tim Salmon, Frank Tanana, Andy Messersmith, Willie McCovey - SFG, Garrett Richards, Dave Righetti - NYY, Bobby Grich, Carlton Fisk - BOS

tridentric - Colorado Rockies: Todd Helton, DJ LeMahieu, Larry Walker, Nolan Arrenado, Ellis Burks, Mike Norris - OAK, Adam Ottavino, Bob Gibson - STL, Ubaldo Jimenez, Bill Singer - LAD

trenchfoot - Texas Rangers: TSMOPOAT, Mike Napoli, Alex Rodriguez, Josh Hamilton, Juan Gonzalez, Matt Harvey - NYM, Dick Bosman, Alex Rodriguez - NYY, Julio Franco, Stephen Strasburg - MON/WSH

shaybee - Baltimore Orioles: Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer, TSMOPPOAT, Roberto Alomar, Chris Hoiles, Mark Eichhorn - TOR, Manny Machado, JD Martinez - BOS, Brady Anderson, Jimmy Key - TOR

buddhagamer - Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals: Gary Carter, Tim Raines, Bryce Harper, Pedro Martinez, Max Scherzer, Corey Kluber - CLE, Daniel Murphy, Rafael Furcal - ATL, Tim Burke, Eddie Murray - BAL

spikeboots - Toronto Blue Jays: Roger Clemens, John Olerud, Carlos Delgado, Tony Fernandez, Jose Bautista, Kevin Brown - LAD, Roberto Alomar, Don Wilson - HOU, BJ Ryan, Ivan Rodriguez - TEX

newarkwilder - Cleveland Indians: Jose Ramirez, Kenny Lofton, Jim Thome, Albert Belle, Gaylord Perry, Kevin Appier - KCR, Manny Ramirez, Pedro Guerrero - LAD, Rafael Betancourt, Blake Treinen - OAK

Lincoln15 - Boston Red Sox: Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Derek Lowe, Mookie Betts, Wade Boggs, Joe Torre - STL, Chris Sale, Tony Phillips - DET, Carl Yastrzemski, Dennis Eckersley - OAK

bob_shabazz - Philadelphia Phillies: Steve Carlton, Aaron Nola, Ryan Howard, Mike Schmidt, Chase Utley, Rico Petrocelli - BOS, Lenny Dykstra, Rico Carty - ATL, Bobby Abreu, Roy Halladay - TOR

schwarze - Cincinnati Reds: Johnny Bench, Joey Votto, Joe Morgan, HWMNBN, Barry Larkin, JR Richard - HOU, George Foster, Tim Hudson - OAK, Aroldis Chapman, Roy Halladay - PHI

ff09 - Chicago Cubs: Jake Arrieta, Greg Maddux, Sammy Sosa, Derrek Lee, Ryne Sandberg, Willie McGee - STL, Aroldis Chapman, Alan Trammell - DET, Kyle Hendricks, Victor Martinez - DET

sinfonian11 - Kansas City Royals: George Brett, Darrell Porter, Bret Saberhagen, David Cone, Zack Greinke, Nomar Garciaparra - BOS, Wade Davis, Jeff Kent - SFG, Roger Nelson, Manny Ramirez - BOS

spoonfed - New York Mets: Jose Reyes, David Wright, Jacob deGrom, Tom Seaver, Dwight Gooden, Vladimir Guerrero - MON/WSH, John Olerud, Rickey Henderson - TOR, Carlos Beltran, Hong-Chih Kuo - LAD

Chisock - Atlanta Braves: Chipper Jones, Hank Aaron, Greg Maddux, John Smoltz, Kevin Millwood, Pedro Martinez - NYM, Javy Lopez, Trevor Story - COL, Billy Wagner, Billy Wagner - PHI

specsman - San Francisco Giants: Juan Marichal, Tim Lincecum, Jason Schmidt, Barry Bonds, Rich Aurilia, Billy Williams - CHC, Will Clark, Rick Wilkins - CHC, Kevin Mitchell, Eric Young - COL

pumpkinmcp - St. Louis Cardinals: John Tudor, Chris Carpenter, Mark McGwire, Albert Pujols, Ted Simmons, Tom Seaver - CIN, AFTBOAT, Willie Stargell - PIT, Adam Wainwright, Rob Dibble - CIN

deathdealer - New York Yankees: Ron Guidry, Fritz Peterson, Catfish Hunter, Derek Jeter, Paul O'Neill, Gary Sheffield - ATL, Robinson Cano, Lee Mazzilli - NYM, Wade Boggs, Jose Leclerc - TEX

atheistdeals - Oakland Athletics: Vida Blue, Catfish Hunter, Rickey Henderson, Jason Giambi, Mark McGwire, Troy Tulowitzki - COL, Reggie Jackson, Darren Daulton - PHI, Rich Harden, Craig Biggio - HOU

sakensei - Los Angeles Dodgers: Don Sutton, Clayton Kershaw, Zack Greinke, Mike Piazza, Manny Machado, Roberto Alomar - CLE, Jerry Reuss, Charlie Blackmon - COL, Manny Ramirez, Rod Beck - SFG

justinlee_24 - Houston Astros: Jeff Bagwell, Lance Berkman, Roger Clemens, Mike Scott, Justin Verlander, Jimmy Rollins - PHI, Jose Altuve, Bruce Sutter - CHC, Cesar Cedeno, Terry Pendleton - ATL
10/10/2019 10:41 PM (edited)
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tridentric is up first, and he's already sent me his proxy. He wants the Colorado Rockies.
9/30/2019 5:51 AM
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I will take the NY Mets
9/30/2019 10:13 AM
sinfonian11
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I have a proxy pick for nordawg. I'll be in and out today because of work, but will post it as soon as it's his turn and I'm available.
9/30/2019 11:36 AM
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Feel free to site mail it to me if you want, I'm around all day because thank the gods I don't have court this week.
9/30/2019 11:51 AM
trenchfoot
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Congratulations on not getting arrested this time.
9/30/2019 11:57 AM
captmurphy
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No extradition laws here in **inaudible mumbling**
9/30/2019 11:59 AM
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If that proxy pick is Montreal feel free to make an edit to it...
9/30/2019 12:51 PM
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I'm here, sorry was MIA over weekend
9/30/2019 1:36 PM
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Screw it, I will try to take the DBacks to fruition (last place finish, haha). Really want to call em DBAGS
9/30/2019 1:36 PM
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Miami over the weekend and Phoenix on Monday.
9/30/2019 1:38 PM
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