Devious Weasel League Draft Topic

Summary of draft
Round 1
Order: 1-16
Action: Select exclusive position player
Round 2
Order: 16-1
Actions: (1) Select exclusive pitcher. (2) Assign a season for the exclusive position player chosen (in round 1) by the owner who follows you in this round.
Round 3
Order: 1-16
Action: Assign a season for the exclusive pitcher (chosen in round 2) by the owner who follows you in this round.
Round 4
Order: 16-1
Action: Assign an exclusive park to the owner who drafts 8 slots after you in this round
Round 5
Order: 1-16
Action: Assign an exclusive franchise-decade to the owner of your choice
Round 6
Order: N/A
Action: Pick a player-season from the franchise-decade assigned to you, and assign him back to the owner who gave you that franchise-decade.


The most important concept is: You will get screwed over.
The corollary to that concept is: You will screw over others.

If you can accept those conditions, you are in business. If not, there's probably an open league or a $255m league you can play where you won't have to make tough choices.

Now that you know you will be hosed, and that you will hose others....The big question is how?

24 16 owners will sign up in the forums. Upon signup, owners will nominate one position player and one pitcher. NOTE: you are just nominating them to be part of the pool of players from whom we will draft in rounds 1 and 2.

The position player must:
-- Have at least 10 WIS-eligible seasons as a hitter (seasons means seasons, not versions. 1989 Rickey Henderson is 1 season, not 4)
-- Have at least 1 season with a salary of $6M or greater

The pitcher must:
-- Have at least 10 WIS-eligible seasons as a pitcher
-- Have at least 1 season with a salary of $7M or greater (so Mariano Rivera, for example, is not eligible.)

Once 24 16 owners are in and all exclusive players have been nominated, we will have a 6 round serpentine draft, with random order generated from random.org (I will ask a HOF owner who is not in the league to generate the draft order.) There are pros and cons to every draft slot. It’s possible one draft slot may have a strategic advantage over another; them’s the breaks. By signing up for this league you agree to play the cards you are dealt. As with every league I run, the principle of NO WHINING applies here.

The draft will proceed as follows:
Round 1 (1-16) Select your exclusive position player from the list of 16. Exclusive means exclusive. No one else can have any version of this player on their team.
"Wow, you mean I can draft any of those 16 guys I want and no one else can have him? Cool."
Yes...but wait.

Round 2 (16-1) In this round you will do two things. You will select your exclusive pitcher, and you will assign a season for the exclusive position player for the owner who drafts after you. So owner 16, drafting first in this round, will assign a season for the exclusive position player chosen by owner 15 in round 1. Owner 1, drafting last in this round, will assign a season for the exclusive position player chosen by owner 16 in round 1. As with the position player, your exclusive pitcher is exclusive to you. No one else can have any version of that pitcher on their team.
"Wait...I picked Babe Ruth and someone just assigned me his 1935 season?"
Yep. Or maybe worse, his 1921 season that costs a tidy $27M, and you have just $53M left to fill out your entire roster.

Round 3 (1-16) In this round, you will assign a season for the exclusive pitcher for the owner who drafts after you. So owner 1, drafting first in this round, will assign a season for the exclusive pitcher chosen by owner 2 in round 2. Owner 16, drafting last in this round, will assign a season for the exclusive pitcher chosen by owner 1 in round 2.

Round 4 (16-1) Assign an exclusive park (from the list posted below) to the owner who drafts 8 slots after you. So owner 16, drafting first in this round, will assign an exclusive park to owner 8. Owner 15 will assign a park to owner 7, etc. Owner 8 will assign a park to owner 16, owner 7 will assign to owner 15, etc.
"OK, Coors, cool. Ruth might hit 120 home runs there."
Yes - be careful what you wish for though....

At this point we will have done four rounds, and each owner will have screwed 3 other owners, and been screwed by them in return. Having fun yet? You devious weasels have two more screwings to give, and to receive.

Round 5 (1-16) Assign an exclusive franchise-decade to an owner of your choice. Obviously each owner can only be assigned 1 franchise-decade. So owner 1, drafting first in this round, will assign an exclusive franchise-decade to any owner he chooses. Owner 2 will pick another owner and do the same, etc.
"Whoa...I have to put the 1931-40 St. Louis Browns pitching staff...in Coors?!?"

For this round we will allow owners to choose any 10-consecutive-year period (from 1885-2019) for the franchise they assign. The franchise must have been active for all 10 of those seasons. We will use www.baseball-reference.com as the definitive source for franchise lineage. Again, franchise-decades are exclusive; there can be no overlap with any other franchise-decade.

But choose carefully, because in round 6 turnabout once again becomes fair play.

Round 6 (order does not matter). The owner to whom you have assigned a franchise-decade may choose any player-season from that franchise-decade and assign it back to you. You must roster this player. So for example, if in round 5 an owner assigns me the 1976-85 Twins, I can choose in round 6 to assign him 1985 Kirby Puckett in return. He must then use '85 Puckett on his roster.

Now – this is very important:
Your roster must include THREE players (the exclusive position player you chose in round 1, in the season that was chosen for you; the pitcher you chose in round 2, in the season that was chosen for you; and the player-season who was assigned to you in round 6). If any of those players were traded during the season, you must use the COMBINED version with the highest salary in WIS. And all 3 of those players must meet or exceed their real-life PA/162 or IP/162 totals for you. (Up to a maximum of 750PA or 500IP...I don't want anyone completely doomed to fail right out of the gate by getting saddled with, say, Billy Hamilton's 1894 season where he has 860 PA/162. If you get assigned such a season, you need to "only" get 750PA for your player.)

If any of the three fail to do so, your team is ineligible for the playoffs. In the event a team wins enough games to make the playoffs, but any of their three players fail to match/exceed their required PA/162 or IP/162, the forfeited playoff spot will go to the team with the next-best record from the same league (most wins not already in the playoffs). Tiebreaker will be Expected Winning Percentage as found in the advanced standings…so a small but important incentive for no one to play silly games with fatigued players. In the extremely unlikely event that we still have a tie, we will use random.org to decide the winner.

Other than those 3 players, your ENTIRE roster must be made up of players from the franchise-decade assigned to you in round 5. You MAY use a version of the player you assigned back in round 6, but not that exact season. So continuing with my example from above, if I am assigned the 1976-85 Twins in round 5, and choose 1985 Puckett to give back in round 6, then my entire roster (other than the 3 players noted above) must come from the 1976-85 Twins. I can use 1984 Puckett, but not the 1985 version, on my team. IMPORTANT NOTE: Exclusive player takes precedence over franchise-decade. For example, if I have the 1976-85 Twins and someone has (hypothetically) chosen Rod Carew as their exclusive player in round 1, I may not use ANY version of Carew on my team.

After that, rules will be straightforward:
- No AAA, No WW, No trades, No DH, No Clones
- injuries on (be sure you draft enough PA/IP, especially if you get dealt one of those nasty offense-heavy parks)
- We will do ONE random realignment
- $80m cap
- - Although this is unlikely, it is possible that in round 5 we could come down to the final slot and have an owner needing to self-assign a franchise-decade. Obviously this cannot be allowed, so if necessary I may require the owner picking 15th in that round to assign a franchise-decade to a specific owner, in order to avoid this possibility
- Lastly, although this is also unlikely, we do need a rule to prevent collusion, or in case someone just doesn’t get the concept. The idea of this theme is to make things difficult for other owners. So no one should be assigning (in round 5) a great franchise-decade, or (in round 6) giving out a player-season that will be easy to use and a great value at an 80M cap. If 3 or more owners object to any of the choices made, we will put those selections to a league-wide vote (majority rules). Hopefully this will be unnecessary.
10/15/2019 2:35 PM (edited)
Eligible Position Players:
Rabbit Maranville
Dick Allen
Kenny Lofton
Omar Moreno
Don Blasingame
Doc Cramer
Tony Phillips
Dan Brouthers
Hugh Duffy
Dennis Menke
Gus Suhr
John Ward
Carl Yastrzemski
Bobby Lowe
Billy Hamilton
Sam Crawford

Eligible Pitchers:
Brickyard Kennedy
Matt Kilroy
Dutch Leonard (RHP from the 30s-40s)
John Clarkson
Wes Ferrell
Alvin Crowder
Al Orth
Gus Weyhing
Pedro Martinez
Pat Dobson
Ned Garver
Red Donahue

Dwight Gooden
Frank Dwyer
Bert Blyleven
Bobo Newsom
10/18/2019 11:02 AM (edited)
Eligible ballparks:
This list includes all parks available in WIS except for parks whose PF is between 0.95-1.05. In other words, each of these parks is either offense-heavy or pitching-friendly.
Factor
Mile High Stadium Colorado Rockies 1.43
Denver, CO 1993-1994
Coors Field Colorado Rockies 1.37
Denver, CO 1995-2018
Wrigley Field Los Angeles Angels 1.29
Los Angeles, CA 1961-1961
Oriole Park (IV) Baltimore Orioles 1.15
Baltimore, MD 1901-1902
Baker Bowl Philadelphia Phillies 1.14
Philadelphia, PA 1895-1938
Hilltop Park New York Yankees 1.14
New York, NY 1903-1912
Ameriquest Field in Arlington Texas Rangers 1.14
Arlington, TX 2004-2018
Memorial Coliseum Los Angeles Dodgers 1.12
Los Angeles, CA 1958-1961
Atlanta Fulton County Stadium Atlanta Braves 1.12
Atlanta, GA 1966-1996
Enron Field Houston Astros 1.1
Houston, TX 2000-2001
The Ballpark in Arlington Texas Rangers 1.1
Arlington, TX 1994-2003
League Park (II) Cleveland Indians 1.09
Cleveland, OH 1910-1946
Fenway Park Boston Red Sox 1.09
Boston, MA 1912-2018
Palace of the Fans Cincinnati Reds 1.08
Cincinnati, OH 1902-1911
Bank One Ballpark Arizona Diamondbacks 1.08
Phoenix, AZ 1998-2005
Sportsman's Park (III) St. Louis Browns 1.08
St. Louis, MO 1909-1953
Sportsman's Park (III) St. Louis Cardinals 1.08
St. Louis, MO 1920-1966
Metropolitan Stadium Minnesota Twins 1.07
Minneapolis, MN 1961-1981
Jarry Park Montreal Expos 1.07
Montreal, Quebec 1969-1976
Yankee Stadium (III) New York Yankees 1.07
Bronx, NY 2009-2018
Humphrey Metrodome Minnesota Twins 1.07
Minneapolis, MN 1982-2009
Exhibition Stadium Toronto Blue Jays 1.07
Toronto, Ontario 1977-1989
South End Grounds III Boston Braves 1.07
Boston, MA 1894-1914
Chase Field Arizona Diamondbacks 1.06
Phoenix, AZ 2006-2018
Municipal Stadium Kansas City Athletics 1.06
Kansas City, MO 1955-1967
AT&T Park San Francisco Giants 0.94
San Francisco, CA 2006-2018
Dolphin Stadium Florida Marlins 0.94
Miami, FL 2006-2008
RFK Stadium Washington Senators 0.94
Washington D.C. 1962-1971
Cleveland Stadium Cleveland Indians 0.94
Cleveland, OH 1932-1993
Joe Robbie Stadium Florida Marlins 0.94
Miami, FL 1993-1996
Busch Stadium (II) St. Louis Cardinals 0.94
St. Louis, MO 2006-2018
American League Park (II) Washington Senators 0.94
Washington D.C. 1903-1910
Lloyd Street Grounds Milwaukee Brewers 0.93
Milwaukee, WI 1901-1901
Seals Stadium San Francisco Giants 0.93
San Francisco, CA 1958-1959
Sportsman's Park (II) St. Louis Browns 0.93
St. Louis, MO 1902-1908
Shea Stadium New York Mets 0.93
New York, NY 1964-2008
Angel Stadium Anaheim Angels 0.92
Anaheim, CA 2004-2018
Memorial Stadium Baltimore Orioles 0.92
Baltimore, MD 1954-1991
Citi Field New York Mets 0.92
Queens, NY 2009-2018
Cinergy Field Cincinnati Reds 0.9
Cincinnati, OH 1997-2002
Jack Murphy Stadium San Diego Padres 0.9
San Diego, CA 1980-1996
Riverfront Stadium Cincinnati Reds 0.9
Cincinnati, OH 1970-1996
Yankee Stadium (I) New York Yankees 0.9
New York, NY 1923-1973
South Side Park (III) Chicago White Sox 0.9
Chicago, IL 1901-1910
Network Associates Coliseum Oakland Athletics 0.89
Oakland, CA 2001-2018
Braves Field Boston Braves 0.89
Boston, MA 1915-1952
Astrodome Houston Astros 0.89
Houston, TX 1965-1999
Safeco Field Seattle Mariners 0.88
Seattle, WA 1999-2018
Dodger Stadium Los Angeles Dodgers 0.87
Los Angeles, CA 1962-2018
Colt Stadium Houston Colt 45's 0.87
Houston, TX 1962-1964
Pacific Bell Park San Francisco Giants 0.86
San Francisco, CA 2000-2003
Petco Park San Diego Padres 0.82
San Diego, CA 2004-2018
10/21/2019 2:56 PM (edited)
Owners list in order of signup:
1.) contrarian23 (Rabbit Maranville, Brickyard Kennedy)
2.) DoctorKz (Dick Allen, Matt Kilroy)
3.) sohio4ever (Kenny Lofton, Dutch Leonard (RHP from 30s-40s))
4.) redcped (Omar Moreno, John Clarkson)
5.) Chisock (Don Blasingame, Wes Ferrell)
6.) eman7400 (Doc Cramer, Alvin Crowder)
7.) zephyr1949 (Tony Phillips, Al Orth)
8.) bpamaco (Dan Brouthers, Gus Weyhing)
9.) spoonfed (Hugh Duffy, Pedro Martinez)
10.) vilefileman (Dennis Menke, Pat Dobson)
11.) razorclams (Gus Suhr, Ned Garver)
12.) gwhouse (John Ward, Red Donahue)
13.) 3dayrotation (Carl Yastrzemski, Dwight Gooden)
14.) reddtrain (Bobby Lowe, Frank Dwyer)
15.) normy17 (Billy Hamilton, Bert Blyleven)
16.) big_dowg (Sam Crawford, Bobo Newsom)

Sitemail list: contrarian23;DoctorKz;sohio4ever;redcped;Chisock;eman7400;zephyr1949;bpamaco;spoonfed;vilefileman;razorclams;gwhouse;3dayrotation;reddtrain;normy17;big_dowg
10/18/2019 10:27 PM (edited)
Draft order, from winnetka1:

Random Sequence Generator

Here is your sequence:

14 2 15 11 9 10 16 12 1 5 8 6 3 7 4 13

Timestamp: 2019-10-14 20:48:23 UTC

10/14/2019 5:32 PM
Round 1 - In this round each owner drafts one of the 16 available position players. Note: you are just drafting the player. In round 2, someone else will determine what season you will use for that player. Remember that this position player is exclusive. When the final rosters are chosen, no one else can have ANY version of this position player on their team.

1.) reddtrain - Kenny Lofton
2.) DoctorKz - Sam Crawford
3.) normy17 - Omar Moreno
4.) razorclams - Carl Yastrzemski
5.) spoonfed - Dan Brouthers
6.) vilefileman - Dick Allen
7.) big_dowg - John Ward
8.) gwhouse - Dennis Menke
9.) contrarian23 - Doc Cramer
10.) Chisock - Tony Phillips
11.) bpamaco - Billy Hamilton
12.) eman7400 - Gus Suhr
13.) sohio4ever - Don Blasingame
14.) zephyr1949 - Rabbit Maranville
15.) redcped - Hugh Duffy
16.) 3dayrotation - Bobby Lowe
10/16/2019 3:02 PM (edited)
Round 2 - In this round, each owner does 2 things. First, draft one of the 16 nominated pitchers for yourself. Just the pitcher. Remember that this pitcher is exclusive. When the final rosters are chosen, no one else can have ANY version of this pitcher on their team.The season you have to use for this pitcher will be chosen for you in round 3. Second, select a season for the position player drafted by the owner who follows you in this round. In the case of a player who was traded and has multiple partial/combined versions in the season you choose, the owner must roster the highest salaried version of him.

1.) 3dayrotation: Pedro Martinez. Assigns 1894 Hugh Duffy to redcped.
2.) redcped: Dutch Leonard (1930s-40s version). Assigns 1933 Rabbit Maranville to zephyr1949.
3.) zephyr1949: Ned Garver. Assigns 1961 Don Blasingame to sohio4ever.
4.) sohio4ever: Brickyard Kennedy. Assigns 1931 Gus Suhr to eman7400.
5.) eman7400: Pat Dobson. Assigns 1894 Billy Hamilton to bpamaco.
6.) bpamaco: Bobo Newsom. Assigns 1988 Tony Phillips to Chisock.
7.) Chisock: Bert Blyleven. Assigns 1942 Doc Cramer to contrarian23.
8.) contrarian23: Dwight Gooden. Assigns 1971 Dennis Menke to gwhouse.
9.) gwhouse: Wes Ferrell. Assigns 1894 John Ward to big_dowg.
10.) big_dowg: Al Orth. Assigns 1975 Dick Allen to vilefileman.
11.) vilefileman: Matt Kilroy. Assigns 1895 Dan Brouthers to spoonfed.
12.) spoonfed: John Clarkson. Assigns 1981 Carl Yastrzemski to razorclams.
13.) razorclams: Alvin Crowder. Assigns 1986 Omar Moreno to normy17.
14.) normy17: Gus Weyhing. Assigns 1904 Sam Crawford to DoctorKz.
15.) DoctorKz: Red Donahue. Assigns 1991 Kenny Lofton to reddtrain.
16.) reddtrain: Frank Dwyer. Assigns 1894 Bobby Lowe to 3dayrotation.
10/18/2019 11:06 AM (edited)
Round 3 - In this round each owner selects a season for the pitcher drafted by the owner who follows you in this round.

1.) reddtrain - Assigns 1897 Red Donahue to DoctorKz.
2.) DoctorKz - Assigns 1890 Gus Weyhing to normy17.
3.) normy17 - Assigns 1934 Alvin Crowder to razorclams.
4.) razorclams - Assigns 1888 John Clarkson to spoonfed.
5.) spoonfed - Assigns 1890 Matt Kilroy to vilefileman.
6.) vilefileman - Assigns 1897 Al Orth to big_dowg.
7.) big_dowg - Assigns 1938 Wes Ferrell to gwhouse.
8.) gwhouse - Assigns 1999 Dwight Gooden to contrarian23.
9.) contrarian23 - Assigns 1988 Bert Blyleven to Chisock.
10.) Chisock - Assigns 1938 Bobo Newsom to bpamaco.
11.) bpamaco - Assigns 1973 Pat Dobson to eman7400.
12.) eman7400 - Assigns 1894 Brickyard Kennedy to sohio4ever.
13.) sohio4ever - Assigns 1953 Ned Garver to zephyr1949.
14.) zephyr1949 - Assigns 1940 Dutch Leonard to redcped.
15.) redcped - Assigns 2008 Pedro Martinez to 3dayrotation.
16.) 3dayrotation - Assigns 1894 Frank Dwyer to reddtrain.
10/19/2019 11:55 AM (edited)
Round 4 - In this round, each owner selects a park for the owner who drafts 8 slots after you. Parks are exclusive. Note that not all parks are eligible - see the master list on page one of this thread.

1.) 3dayrotation - Selects Yankee Stadium III for gwhouse
2.) redcped - Selects Coors Field for big_dowg
3.) zephyr1949 - Selects Exhibition Stadium (Toronto) for vilefileman
4.) sohio4ever - Selects Wrigley Field (Los Angeles, not Chicago) for spoonfed
5.) eman7400 - Selects Palace of the Fans for razorclams
6.) bpamaco - Selects Fenway Park for normy17
7.) Chisock - Selects Hilltop Park for DoctorKz
8.) contrarian23 - Selects Baker Bowl for reddtrain
9.) gwhouse - Selects Petco for 3dayrotation
10.) big_dowg - Selects Memorial Coliseum (LA) for redcped
11.) vilefileman - Selects Mile High Stadium for zephyr1949
12.) spoonfed - Selects Atlanta Fulton County for sohio4ever
13.) razorclams - Selects Ameriquest Field for eman7400
14.) normy17 - Selects South Side Park III (Chicago) for bpamaco
15.) DoctorKz - Selects Municipal Stadium for Chisock
16.) reddtrain - Selects League Park II for contrarian23
10/21/2019 2:57 PM (edited)
Round 5 - In this round each owner selects a franchise-decade for any owner of their choosing. A decade is ten consecutive seasons (i.e. 1901-1910, 1935-1944). Each owner can only be assigned one franchise-decade in this round.

1.) reddtrain - Selects 1932-41 Browns for contrarian23
2.) DoctorKz - Selects 1936-45 Athletics for redcped
3.) normy17 - Selects 1998-2007 Devil Rays for razorclams
4.) razorclams - Selects 1923-32 Phillies for vilefileman
5.) spoonfed - Selects 1994-2003 Tigers for zephyr1949
6.) vilefileman - Selects 1955-64 Athletics for spoonfed
7.) big_dowg - Selects 1925-34 Red Sox for sohio4ever
8.) gwhouse - Selects 1977-86 Mariners for eman7400
9.) contrarian23 - Selects 1901-10 Beaneaters (Braves) for DoctorKz
10.) Chisock - Selects 1993-2002 Brewers for normy17
11.) bpamaco - Selects 1971-80 Braves for 3dayrotation
12.) eman7400 - Selects 1915-24 Athletics for big_dowg
13.) sohio4ever - Selects 1921-30 White Sox for bpamaco
14.) zephyr1949 - Selects 1945-54 Reds for gwhouse
15.) redcped - Selects 1948-57 Senators for reddtrain
16.) 3dayrotation - Selects 1996-2005 Rockies for Chisock
10/23/2019 12:35 PM (edited)
Round 6 - Order doesn't matter. Owners may post their picks at any time. In this round, each owner selects one player-season from the franchise-decade that was assigned to them. The owner who gave you that franchise MUST roster that player.

1.) 3dayrotation - Give a player from the 1971-80 Braves to bpamaco
2.) redcped - Give a player from the 1936-45 A's to DoctorKz
3.) zephyr1949 - Give a player from the 1994-2003 Tigers to spoonfed
4.) sohio4ever - Give a player from the 1925-34 Red Sox to big_dowg
5.) eman7400 - Give a player from the 1977-86 Mariners to gwhouse
6.) bpamaco - Give a player from the 1921-30 White Sox to sohio4ever
7.) Chisock - Give a player from the 1996-2005 Rockies to 3dayrotation
8.) contrarian23 - Give a player from the 1932-41 Browns to reddtrain
9.) gwhouse - Give a player from the 1945-54 Reds to zephyr1949
10.) big_dowg - Give a player from the 1915-24 A's to eman7400
11.) vilefileman - Give a player from the 1923-32 Phillies to razorclams
12.) spoonfed - Give a player from the 1955-64 A's to vilefileman
13.) razorclams - Give a player from the 1998-2007 Devil Rays to normy17
14.) normy17 - Give a player from the 1993-2002 Brewers to Chisock
15.) DoctorKz - Give a player from the 1901-10 Beaneaters to contrarian23
16.) reddtrain - Give a player from the 1948-57 Senators to redcped
10/23/2019 12:35 PM (edited)
Remember, once the draft is finished, you must compose your roster as follows:
1.) The player you drafted in round 1 must be on your roster - in the specific season chosen for you in round 2.
2.) The pitcher you drafted in round 2 must be on your roster - in the specific season chosen for you in round 3.
3.) The player-season given to you in round 6 must be on your roster.
If any of these 3 players were traded (i.e. have multiple versions of that specific season in the database) you must roster the most expensive of those versions. All 3 of these players MUST attain their actual PA/162 or IP/162 for you (up to a maximum of 750PA and 500IP). Failure to do this will lead to forfeiture of any playoff spot.

The remaining 22 players on your roster must be from the franchise-decade assigned to you in round 5. Note that you cannot use ANY version of any players who were selected by other owners in rounds 1 or 2.

Lastly, you must use the park chosen for you in round 4 as your home field.
10/23/2019 8:19 AM (edited)
No AAA, No WW, No trades, No DH, No Clones
- injuries on (be sure you draft enough PA/IP, especially if you get dealt one of those nasty offense-heavy parks)
- We will do ONE random realignment
- $80m cap
10/14/2019 7:31 PM
Draft is open. reddtrain can start. For this first round, we will be patient and allow owners up to 24 hours to post their pick. But please don't wait longer than that. And for goodness sakes, sitemail the next couple of owners after you make your pick.
10/14/2019 7:33 PM
I'll start the madness with Kenny Lofton.
10/14/2019 8:46 PM
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