the only scoring change id consider would be to the playoff points

probably invite only...depends on the number of vacancies

im open to suggestions about next seasons draft order...id like to do it like the odl/52...but im also worried about tanking screwing up the final scores

Posted by dh555 on 7/6/2020 6:20:00 PM (view original):
the only scoring change id consider would be to the playoff points

probably invite only...depends on the number of vacancies

im open to suggestions about next seasons draft order...id like to do it like the odl/52...but im also worried about tanking screwing up the final scores

The only SAVAGE thing would be a random draw again.

Yeah, I agree. Random order with full draft trades

Posted by dh555 on 7/6/2020 6:20:00 PM (view original):
the only scoring change id consider would be to the playoff points

probably invite only...depends on the number of vacancies

im open to suggestions about next seasons draft order...id like to do it like the odl/52...but im also worried about tanking screwing up the final scores

I don't think there's a large enough benefit for anybody to purposefully tank. Also, there are too many people overselling how "out of it" they are. Most teams are five games or less behind making the playoffs, and anything can happen in the playoffs.

We need someone with the ability to capture a lot of data quickly to be our Savage historian, btw. I'd like to see a website (even if it's just using google docs) with the history of this thing.

Posted by jhsukow on 7/6/2020 7:11:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, I agree. Random order with full draft trades

You mean swapping positions, right? There's no way in hell we can do individual trades in this league... all hell will break loose.

Posted by ashamael on 7/6/2020 8:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jhsukow on 7/6/2020 7:11:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, I agree. Random order with full draft trades

You mean swapping positions, right? There's no way in hell we can do individual trades in this league... all hell will break loose.

I think that was true in the first version of the league, where we really had no idea of value. I think it's a less compelling argument in the second iteration, where we'll have done it before and no one is really flying blind (assuming most or all of the owners are the same). I can see the argument that we should still wait a little bit (until we've done it 2-3 times, if we all have the energy to keep doing it) but I would be open to the idea of open trading. We're all big boys and girls, I don't really think there are sheep here who can be swindled by more experienced owners.

Unless you're referring to it slowing the draft down too much, which I can understand.

Posted by jpevans31 on 7/6/2020 5:35:00 PM (view original):
There any thoughts on slightly changing the scoring? We don't know who's going to win it all, but most of us knew before the All-Star game that we're out of the race. If it was something like, "There are 5 leagues, so for every 5 wins you get a point," would that give guys a better chance to possibly get back in the title-race? Because even if I make a change to my mediocre teams and start averaging about 3.5 wins every cycle, the teams that already have a huge lead will also still be averaging 3-4 wins a cycle. Can't really make-up any ground, just run in place, waiting to start S2. Since everyone here is paying for 5 teams, it'd be cool to give people at least a glimmer of hope that they can get back in it after early struggles.
The 5 wins=1 pt was just an initial thought, haven't taken a lot of time to think on it, just wondered if anyone else had similar thoughts.

I don't think that many teams were out of it at the all-star break.

Posted by tarheel1991 on 7/6/2020 9:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 7/6/2020 8:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jhsukow on 7/6/2020 7:11:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, I agree. Random order with full draft trades

You mean swapping positions, right? There's no way in hell we can do individual trades in this league... all hell will break loose.

I think that was true in the first version of the league, where we really had no idea of value. I think it's a less compelling argument in the second iteration, where we'll have done it before and no one is really flying blind (assuming most or all of the owners are the same). I can see the argument that we should still wait a little bit (until we've done it 2-3 times, if we all have the energy to keep doing it) but I would be open to the idea of open trading. We're all big boys and girls, I don't really think there are sheep here who can be swindled by more experienced owners.

Unless you're referring to it slowing the draft down too much, which I can understand.

Just wait until I pull off my first trade. There will be riots!

Posted by tarheel1991 on 7/6/2020 9:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 7/6/2020 8:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jhsukow on 7/6/2020 7:11:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, I agree. Random order with full draft trades

You mean swapping positions, right? There's no way in hell we can do individual trades in this league... all hell will break loose.

I think that was true in the first version of the league, where we really had no idea of value. I think it's a less compelling argument in the second iteration, where we'll have done it before and no one is really flying blind (assuming most or all of the owners are the same). I can see the argument that we should still wait a little bit (until we've done it 2-3 times, if we all have the energy to keep doing it) but I would be open to the idea of open trading. We're all big boys and girls, I don't really think there are sheep here who can be swindled by more experienced owners.

Unless you're referring to it slowing the draft down too much, which I can understand.

Partly the latter, but mostly the former. I think the idea of value is still very unclear: there will be guys drafted in the first five rounds that don't get drafted till the last two (if at all), and guys drafted extremely late that will go much, much earlier... and many of those guesses will be wrong, as many people will draw conclusions from this first iteration that simply aren't true or haven't had enough data to substantiate any claims of value... and guys like Ben will end up ripping even other savvy owners apart in deals.

Simply put, I'm not gonna play if there's trading like that (not that my participation is required).

I'm still really hoping we see the full player pool.

Posted by ashamael on 7/6/2020 8:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jhsukow on 7/6/2020 7:11:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, I agree. Random order with full draft trades

You mean swapping positions, right? There's no way in hell we can do individual trades in this league... all hell will break loose.

yes. that was poorly worded.

I vote keeping trades at just entire draft positions and that’s it. Also would be interested in unbanning the big 3. I think it’d be fine. It’s not like the top picks from last year are doing super well so even if it did favor the top picks, that’d balance things out. Plus better players would be available at the end of the 1st.

Owner	Pts	Last
pexetera	174	5
kinoa1	167	5
benhoidal	161	3
dBKC	154	3
dh555	148	2
mptrey	146	3
copernicus	140	4
tarheel1991	136	3
jcred5	133	2
ysw128	129	2
jpevans31	126	1
robusk	125	4
20ks	124	1
ashamael	123	0
gerryred	121	3
pharrop	118	5
24kpyrite	118	1
jhsukow	115	1
goetz93	115	1
samuelyork93	113	2
dskantor	113	3
bds9992	100	2
longtallbrad	90	2
amerk1180	71	2

I can see changing the point structure so that winning a playoff game is worth 2 points (or more) and winning one of the leagues is worth 20 points. It's all about the rings anyway. After all, is it better to have the best regular season win percentage? or better to win a ring? Rings should be worth more. In that point structure, taking even a single team to a championship would be worth 52 points in the playoffs ( 2pt per playoff win x 16 wins + 20 points for championship) That way no owner who has at least one strong team who thinks they could win a league would feel out of it even if they were 50 points behind. That way spreading your best players across 3 teams becomes a viable winning strategy, even though the other 2 teams might not even make the playoffs. There really aren't too many owners who are going to put 5 or even 4 teams into the playoffs. But plenty of owners could arrange players to get 3 teams in the playoffs... and make 2 of them contenders.... which would still give them a winning chance with 2 points for playoffs wins and 20 points for rings.

Owner	Pts	Last
pexetera	176	2
kinoa1	171	4
benhoidal	164	3
dBKC	158	4
dh555	150	2
mptrey	148	2
copernicus	144	4
tarheel1991	140	4
jcred5	134	1
ysw128	131	2
robusk	128	3
jpevans31	128	2
20ks	127	3
ashamael	126	3
gerryred	121	0
24kpyrite	121	3
pharrop	120	2
goetz93	119	4
samuelyork93	117	4
jhsukow	116	1
dskantor	116	3
bds9992	101	1
longtallbrad	90	0
amerk1180	74	3

Thanks for the constant updates Pex!