ODL 76 Discussion Topic

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6/3/2020 12:12 AM (edited)
Round 1
Selection Pick Owner Pick v. ADP % of Time Drafted
James, LeBron 1 thomcat -0.55 100%
Chamberlain, Wilt 2 isacqbs58 -0.36 100%
Jordan, Michael 3 redbooda -2.09 100%
Curry, Stephen 4 pharrop 1.82 100%
Paul, Chris 5 dh555 -4.45 100%
Abdul-Jabbar, Kareem 6 20ks -0.91 100%
O'Neal, Shaquille 7 mptrey 1.91 100%
Antetokounmpo, Giannis 8 ysw128 -7.64 100%
Durant, Kevin 9 24kpyrite -2.36 100%
Howard, Dwight 10 NotoriousJ 2.45 100%
Malone, Karl 11 jcred5 1.45 100%
Rodman, Dennis 12 HDS1 -0.45 100%
Davis, Anthony 13 benhoidal -13.91 100%
Stockton, John 14 dBKC -4.27 100%
Robinson, David 15 robusk 1.36 100%
Bird, Larry 16 albiband0 -0.64 100%
Barkley, Charles 17 mikee1 2.82 100%
Jordan, DeAndre 18 tau1624 -0.64 100%
Gobert, Rudy 19 ashamael -2.82 100%
Towns, Karl-Anthony 20 gerryred -16.91 100%
Harden, James 21 tarheel1991 -17.73 100%
Malone, Moses 22 seapilots 6.55 100%
Whiteside, Hassan 23 jackedjamie -6.55 100%
Kidd, Jason 24 24kpyrite -3.91 100%

Best Picks

Dwight Howard – Like Shaq (who I have at #4 on my board these days), Dwight often goes lower than I think he should. Except for fouls and turnovers, you get elite output for a big man and his minutes make him a nice price for his profile. Anytime he goes later than 8, I started getting antsy.

Charles Barkley – This isn’t egregious, but I would have taken him over a handful of players taken ahead of him. He gets disrespected because of his defense but I have consistently found him delightful to build around and he is just so elite on offense and flexible positionally that the defense is not the issue it is made out to be.

Rudy Gobert – Once the two points of usage version of Rudy dropped, he skyrocketed up my big board. The love for DeAndre Jordan in this league always surprises me, even a dozen seasons in. I would take Rudy seven days a week and twice on Sunday over DeAndre.

Explain Yourself

Gerryred: Karl-Anthony Towns – Great offensive profile but this is too high. If KAT had a couple more points of effectiveness at SF, where my hand was not so forced at who I draft for C, I could see it. He is a really, really good offensive player though and mostly you are getting dinged here because there were so few mistakes in the first round this season.

HDS1: Dennis Rodman – I feel like every couple of months I am in a draft league ragging on someone for picking Rodman high. I just think in a tight draft league like this you are so behind the eight ball in threes and usage when you take him this high, and there are only a couple builds I like for him in a 47M cap. You were a conference finalist last season though, so you have the chops to pull it off.
6/3/2020 12:52 AM (edited)
Round 2
Garnett, Kevin 25 bds9992 -2.00 100%
Nash, Steve 26 jackedjamie -9.64 100%
Duncan, Tim 27 seapilots 2.73 100%
Wade, Dwyane 28 tarheel1991 -5.18 100%
Wallace, Ben 29 gerryred 1.27 100%
Thompson, Klay 30 ashamael -12.36 100%
Leonard, Kawhi 31 tau1624 6.55 100%
Walton, Bill 32 mikee1 -6.09 100%
Olajuwon, Hakeem 33 albiband0 -10.60 91%
Irving, Kyrie 34 mikee1 -34.57 64%
McHale, Kevin 35 dBKC 2.27 100%
Capela, Clint 36 benhoidal -30.00 73%
Johnson, Magic 37 HDS1 15.00 100%
Pippen, Scottie 38 jcred5 7.91 100%
Simmons, Ben 39 NotoriousJ -12.50 55%
Hardaway, Anfernee 40 bds9992 5.27 100%
Green, Draymond 41 ysw128 12.18 100%
Marion, Shawn 42 mptrey -1.91 100%
Brand, Elton 43 20ks -13.18 100%
Camby, Marcus 44 dh555 -0.82 100%
Chandler, Tyson 45 pharrop -7.91 100%
Erving, Julius 46 redbooda -11.27 100%
Grant, Horace 47 isacqbs58 -16.73 100%
Drummond, Andre 48 thomcat 6.64 100%

Best Picks

Magic Johnson – Magic has his warts and I have taken them on before. It isn’t easy. But the 37th pick for the 4th best PG on the board (non-LeBron division)? I don’t quite no know how he will fit with Rodman quite yet, but elite passing, solid shooting, threes, defense and rebounding, with 4 points of usage is a nice haul.

Anfernee Hardaway – He isn’t for everyone but my love for Penny is well known. His assists are on the lower side, his rebounding is subpar and his 3PNT% is below average. But he basically does everything else near an elite level, plus he is effective at three positions. If you can compensate for the warts, he is a dream to build around.

Draymond Green – I am kind of a turnover snob, so while I have wanted to draft him before I never punched his ticket. If you aren’t as turned off by that, he is pretty awesome. He gives you such a lead on assists and passing from the 3 which a beautiful defensive game. A lot to like.

Andre Drummond – Like the other three guys on this list, Drummond has his issues. This is like 17 places lower than I have him ranked though. He has surprisingly decent passing for his position, the rebounding is off the charts and the shooting/turnovers are okay. The defense is just north of average so he needs to be paired with an elite defending big.

Explain Yourself

Tarheel1991: James Harden/Dwyane Wade – I will start off by saying tarheel1991 constantly does stuff that I don’t agree with and constantly succeeds, so I have every belief he will make this work. On the other end of the spectrum I don’t even have Dwyane Wade on my draft board. I could never see adding him to a team of mine and combining him with Harden (who I have at 48th) is just staggering. 14 points of usage after two picks? So you are just committed to not spending efficiently at that stat? Is one at least backing up the other or are you drafting another high usage guy?

Albiband0: Hakeem Olajuwon – You must be new here… oh… wait.

Redbooda: Julius Erving – booda gonna booda

Honorable mention: bds9992, Kevin Garnett – I get the appeal, so I am not going to ding this pick. He does a lot of good stuff and plenty of people have made the case for him before. Hell, he made the finals last season. But he is also in the company of the other three players on this list as not on my draft board at all.
6/3/2020 12:54 AM (edited)
Round 3
Marshall, Donyell 49 thomcat -0.18 100%
Nance, Larry 50 isacqbs58 -27.18 100%
Gilmore, Artis 51 redbooda 14.18 100%
Harrell, Montrezl 52 pharrop -35.80 45%
Ginobili, Manu 53 dh555 6.45 100%
Williams, Deron 54 20ks 9.64 100%
Bledsoe, Eric 55 mptrey -37.63 73%
Billups, Chauncey 56 ysw128 15.09 100%
Kemp, Shawn 57 bds9992 -4.36 100%
Vucevic, Nikola 58 NotoriousJ 18.50 36%
Noah, Joakim 59 jcred5 -3.70 91%
McAdoo, Bob 60 HDS1 8.22 82%
Mutombo, Dikembe 61 jackedjamie 8.91 100%
George, Paul 62 dBKC -4.11 82%
Conley, Mike 63 robusk 2.91 100%
Ward, Charlie 64 albiband0 -20.55 100%
Holiday, Jrue 65 robusk -11.86 64%
Jokic, Nikola 66 tau1624 -0.45 100%
Porter, Terry 67 ashamael 15.55 100%
Harper, Derek 68 gerryred 2.18 100%
Outlaw, Bo 69 tarheel1991 -51.25 36%
Rondo, Rajon 70 seapilots -14.91 100%
Lowry, Kyle 71 benhoidal 11.27 100%
Korver, Kyle 72 bds9992 -19.40 91%

Best Picks

Manu Ginobili– Manu is actually as good as ashamael thinks Reggie Miller is. I love Manu so much in all formats of the sim. He shoots well, doesn’t turn it over much, rebounds, plays defense, passes enough to be a lead guard if you pick up some decent assists elsewhere, gets to the line. Manu does it all. He should never fall out of the second round.

Chauncey Billups – I am actually way lower and Billups (and Deron Williams) than most owners and even I think 56 is too low.

Nikola Jokic – doesn’t play a lot of minutes, turns it over a lot, doesn’t play D… but also shoots the hell out of the ball, rebounds like crazy, absurd passing stats. Even a player this polarizing deserves to go before 66.

Explain Yourself

dBKC, Paul George – Mutombo to Paul George is a weird pivot. To be fair, this pick is not that bad. There just haven’t been a lot of reaches this round. Paul George should be good, but I do think the shooting at the usage number is a little off putting. Tarheel1991 has proven (over and over and over again) that George is hard to win with.

Tarheel1991, Bo Outlaw – He makes incredible sense next to Wade and Harden, but third round for a guy who is kind of meh and doesn’t even usually get drafted is weird resource allocation. One thing in his favor is that most owners seem to care about offensive rebounding and I never look at it.

Tasty Trios

Thomcat – LeBron James, Andre Drummond, Donyell Marshall – I love the fit of these two dudes next to LeBron

Pharrop – Steph Curry, Tyson Chandler, Motrezl Harrell – I thought Harrell and Chandler were reaches at their spots, but their PNT% scoring is the perfect offset to Steph. Really smart team building here.

Mptrey – Shaquille O’Neal, Shawn Marion, Eric Bledsoe – putting three of my favorite players on the same team is just eval baiting man.

Dh555 – Chris Paul, Manu Ginobili, Marcus Camby – Stocking your pantry with ODL essentials.

Benhoidal – Anthony Davis, Clint Capela, Kyle Lowry – I have been trying to get Davis for a few seasons now and Lowry was an absolute steal at that spot.

Send It Back

20ks – Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Elton Brand, Deron Williams – What are you doing with all that MID%?

HDS1 – Dennis Rodman, Magic Johnson, Bob McAdoo – This is not how you build a Rodman team.

Redbooda – Michael Jordan, Artis Gilmore, Julius Erving – booda is playing 9th dimensional chess with the cap

I Still Can’t Decide How I Feel About Sunchokes

Bds9992 – Kevin Garnett, Anfernee Hardaway, Shawn Kemp, Kyle Korver, Otto Porter – I like three of these players individually, I dislike two of them. Hardaway is kind of stuck defending PGs so you are kind of stuck with meh at SG defense which is a problem given how many elite scorers there are though. The scoring is so well rounded and the shooting numbers are great though.

dBKC – John Stockton, Kevin McHale, Paul George, Bill Russell – Not sure what you are up to. I can’t see the big picture here.
6/3/2020 12:57 AM (edited)
Round 4
Porter, Otto 73 bds9992 -23.90 91%
Allen, Ray 74 benhoidal -4.27 100%
Barry, Brent 75 seapilots 1.45 100%
Drexler, Clyde 76 albiband0 3.91 100%
Price, Mark 77 gerryred -7.70 91%
Boozer, Carlos 78 ashamael -13.00 91%
Ibaka, Serge 79 tau1624 -1.80 91%
Bogut, Andrew 80 robusk -11.27 100%
Davis, Ed 81 tarheel1991 -40.00 18%
Williams, Marvin 82 robusk -13.20 91%
Russell, Bill 83 dBKC 23.00 100%
Iguodala, Andre 84 benhoidal -20.09 100%
Murphy, Troy 85 HDS1 -11.88 73%
Siakam, Pascal 86 jcred5 -12.25 36%
Boerwinkle, Tom 87 NotoriousJ 16.09 100%
Sanders, Larry 88 24kpyrite -12.00 82%
Parish, Robert 89 ysw128 2.80 91%
Covington, Robert 90 mptrey -20.13 73%
Calderon, Jose 91 20ks -0.82 100%
Mourning, Alonzo 92 dh555 14.91 100%
Ray, Clifford 93 pharrop 3.55 100%
Cheeks, Maurice 94 redbooda -4.60 91%
Green, Danny 95 isacqbs58 -0.64 100%
Webber, Chris 96 thomcat 6.83 55%

Best Picks

Alonzo Mourning – I don’t think Mourning (despite being my all time favorite player for most of my life until I moved to Portland and became a Blazers junkie/season ticket holder) is someone I could ever see myself drafting, but 92 is way too low for all the defensive prowess combined with decent offensive skills he brings to the table.

Clifford Ray – For the rebounding you get combined with the minutes and reasonable lack of warts, Ray is such a bargain that this is way too low for him.

Chris Webber – Yes, I know he only gets drafted half the time and this is around where he gets drafted, but I had to use this opportunity to point out that Chris Webber is very good and he should get drafted more. 80 D, 24.6 USG%, 54.3% eFG, 29.4 CREB%, 14.6 AST%, 14.99 TO%, 4.4 FPG and he is 97% at SF. One of these drafts I will remember to just plan around drafting him later because you could make an awesome team around him as a 4th round guy who can be your second best player. I have him as 77 on my board.

Troy Murphy – Drafted too high and he is not that great, but giving HDS1 props because I like the fit with Rodman.
Pascal Siakam – He has only been drafted a couple times but his 18-19 season is very good.

Explain Yourself

redbooda: Maurice Cheeks – Yes, I know this is around where he is normally drafted and he is almost always drafted. But I just want to take this time to point out Maurice Cheeks sucks and you should not draft him.

NotoriousJ: Bob Covington – Big fan of Covington, but there weren’t many bad picks this round and I have to write about something. Probably could have had him in the 5th though.

robusk: Andrew Bogut – sometimes the curse of trading is you have too many early picks and you end up taking Bogut way too early.

6/7/2020 12:11 AM (edited)
Round 5
Jackson, Mark 97 thomcat -9.50 18%
Nelson, Jameer 98 isacqbs58 -19.00 91%
Wallace, Rasheed 99 redbooda 0%
O'Quinn, Kyle 100 pharrop -22.50 91%
Wallace, Gerald 101 dh555 5.13 73%
Stoudemire, Amare 102 20ks 39.50 91%
Favors, Derrick 103 mptrey 7.50 36%
Oladipo, Victor 104 ysw128 39.33 55%
Kanter, Enes 105 24kpyrite -12.71 64%
Harris, Joe 106 NotoriousJ -20.00 18%
Beverley, Patrick 107 jcred5 -14.60 45%
Rollins, Tree 108 HDS1 21.89 82%
McMillan, Nate 109 jackedjamie 14.91 100%
Jones, Bobby 110 dBKC 27.40 91%
Evans, Tyreke 111 robusk -4.60 45%
Gadzuric, Dan 112 tarheel1991 0%
Blaylock, Mookie 113 mikee1 49.73 100%
Valanciunas, Jonas 114 tau1624 -1.67 82%
Moon, Jamario 115 ashamael -1.00 55%
Gasol, Pau 116 gerryred 4.22 82%
Doncic, Luka 117 tarheel1991 0%
Harris, Tobias 118 seapilots -5.50 18%
Biyombo, Bismack 119 jackedjamie 2.75 36%
Asik, Omer 120 24kpyrite 2.50 36%

Best Picks

Amare Stoudemire – Almost all of us know Amare is awesome and he shouldn’t be available in the 5th. I would have drafted him a hundred times if I wasn’t such a coward.

Pau Gasol – Another one of those guys who is picked around where he is normally picked but I think the normal is too low. He is 96 on my board, and I think if you have the rebounding and defense in place, his 08-09 season is a nice one.

Tree Rollins and Bobby Jones – I honestly don’t love either one in this format but lots of other people do so I guess this is low?

Explain Yourself

Honestly, by the fifth round it is hard to ding people for picks because they have gaps to fill. I don’t know how many bad picks there are at this point. But I have to put something here.

thomcat: Mark Jackson – He also sucks and you could have gotten him later… but also you shouldn’t even want him later because he sucks.

Isacqbs58: Jameer Nelson – Jameer does not suck but taking him at 98 does.

Jcred5: Patrick Beverley – I promise, Beverley would have been there later.
6/7/2020 12:18 AM (edited)
Round 5
Burke, Trey 121 bds9992 -12.00 36%
Hernangomez, Willy 121 bds9992 0%
Beaubois, Rodrigue 122 jackedjamie -9.67 82%
Moreland, Eric 122 jackedjamie -12.60 45%
Hill, George 123 seapilots 5.91 100%
Green, JaMychal 123 seapilots -13.00 27%
Dalembert, Samuel 124 tarheel1991 -0.44 82%
Bradley, Avery 124 albiband0 0%
Terry, Jason 125 gerryred -0.17 55%
Smith, J.R. 125 gerryred 10.64 100%
Miles, C.J. 126 ashamael -16.00 9%
Horford, Al 126 ashamael 20.36 100%
Tinsley, Jamaal 127 tau1624 5.09 100%
Faried, Kenneth 127 tau1624 3.14 64%
Beal, Bradley 128 mikee1 69.00 18%
Okafor, Emeka 128 mikee1 9.00 36%
Kersey, Jerome 129 albiband0 0%
Bradley, Shawn 129 albiband0 0%
Collins, John 130 robusk 31.50 18%
Evans, Reggie 130 mikee1 -1.60 45%
Johnson, Kevin 131 dBKC 30.00 73%
Andersen, Chris 131 dBKC 13.20 91%
Mirotic, Nikola 132 benhoidal 2.00 55%
Anderson, Kyle 132 benhoidal 16.00 9%
Love, Kevin 133 HDS1 47.00 73%
Moore, Johnny 133 HDS1 0%
Lin, Jeremy 134 jcred5 5.00 9%
Monroe, Greg 134 jcred5 0.00 18%
Johnson, James 135 NotoriousJ 18.20 45%
McRoberts, Josh 135 NotoriousJ 4.33 27%
Carter, Vince 136 24kpyrite 11.33 27%
Ilyasova, Ersan 136 24kpyrite 1.50 18%
West, David 137 ysw128 7.14 64%
Jones, Edgar 137 ysw128 0%
Cousins, Demarcus 138 mptrey -1.00 9%
Marshall, Kendall 138 mptrey 0.67 55%
Fortson, Danny 139 20ks 0%
Redick, J.J. 139 20ks -0.67 27%
Redd, Michael 140 dh555 7.75 73%
Edge, Charlie 140 dh555 28.33 55%
Gay, Rudy 141 pharrop 5.00 9%
Nance Jr., Larry 141 pharrop 0%
Jefferson, Al 142 redbooda 0%
Wall, John 142 redbooda 29.67 27%
Pierce, Ricky 143 isacqbs58 0%
Christie, Doug 143 isacqbs58 32.00 9%
Marjanovic, Boban 144 thomcat 13.00 18%
Perkins, Kendrick 144 thomcat 0%

Best Picks

Bradley Beal – I’ll be honest, I don’t know how you throw a cog this major into a team in the 6th round. You have to be extremely flexible. But the 18-19 Beal should be a third rounder, fourth rounder at worst in this format.

Kevin Johnson – Classic one of those “he is good but not for me” kind of players. Anything after the 4th is too late for him.

Boban Marjanovic – Not because he is a steal, but because you f***ed my team by taking him with the next to last pick in the draft.

Explain Yourself

It’s round six. There is none. Either you are a fish or a shark and the 6th round ain’t changing that.
6/9/2020 1:13 AM (edited)
20ks - Abdul-Jabbar, Kareem; Brand, Elton; Williams, Deron; Calderon, Jose; Stoudemire, Amare; Fortson, Danny; Redick, J.J.: This is an interesting team. If you are using the best seasons of each player, I have you waaaaaaaay over on usage. If you are not using the best seasons of each player then, well, you are not using the best seasons of each player in a league where you try to build a good team using good seasons of players. I have your rebounding numbers looking pretty good, your eFG% is in the upper half, your assists are good, your turnovers are solid and defense seem at least fine. All that being said, those assumptions are built around the best seasons which you can’t afford. I am guessing you will be using sub-optimal seasons and have a really crappy bench. Going to guess you are a 30 – 35 wins team.

Updated final projections: Not enough minutes, 15 – 20 wins

24kpyrite - Durant, Kevin; Kidd, Jason; Sanders, Larry; Kanter, Enes; Asik, Omer; Carter, Vince; Ilyasova, Ersan: That was a pretty stupid trade you made with bds9992. Kidd was a pretty stupid player to pick with the resulting 1st you got in the trade. But…. while Durant is awesome and Kidd is super good. I don’t really love anyone else you picked. There is a Vince Carter season I have used and like in the right circumstances. Ilyasova is incredibly useful on a budget. Asik is a generic pretty above average big. Kanter is a one way dynamo. LARRY SANDERS! is incredibly overrated in this format but solid. It seems like you are going to have to get a lot of usage from undrafted players. I’ll say 37 – 42 win team.

Updated final projections: Someone in this division has to win some games, 39 – 44 wins

albiband0 - Bird, Larry; Olajuwon, Hakeem; Ward, Charlie; Drexler, Clyde; Bradley, Avery; Kersey, Jerome; Bradley, Shawn: Look, this team probably kind of sucks. BUT! For a new owner joining the hardest league on this site, it is PRETTY FREAKING GOOD. I read your self evaluation and it only took you a round or two to figure out that Hakeem sucks. I think your pivot was a smart one. This team ******* LOVES to turn the ball over. My suspicion is that you will probably end up low on threes and foul a lot too. I am proud of you bud. 30 – 35 wins.

Updated final projections: Better than I thought it would be, 32 – 37 wins

ashamael - Gobert, Rudy; Thompson, Klay; Porter, Terry; Boozer, Carlos; Moon, Jamario; Miles, C.J.; Horford, Al: Two point usage Rudy is like one of my five or so favorite players in WIS. Klay is a really efficient player but who is a little on dimensional on offense. I think Porter, along with Derek Harper, is a little overrated as PG. He is often drafted in the third round but I think he is a fourth round guard. I would adore Boozer if he had more SF effectiveness, but at least him and Gobert can swap in and out. There aren’t a lot of teams with two elite offensive bigs. Jamario Moon is a mediocre ODL staple who despite that lukewarm endorsement I feel like I have drafted a hundred times. Al Horford is secretly one of the most efficient, solid enough at defense, flexible players in WIS with several usable seasons depending on what you want. 45 – 50 wins.

Updated final projections: Great bench but real hard division, 47 – 52 wins

bds9992 - Garnett, Kevin; Hardaway, Anfernee; Kemp, Shawn; Korver, Kyle; Porter, Otto; Burke, Trey; Hernangomez, Willy: Hardaway is kind of wasted in this scenario. None of your other likely starters can credibly defend point guards so he is stuck defending that spot which sucks when you have an elite defender who can cover three positions. The season you are using of Garnett is PF and C limited. So you have two average-ish defenders at the 2 and 3, arguably the spots with the most offense, and no other good options for creating good defense there. Shawn Kemp is honestly among the 5 – 10 most overrated and over drafted players in this format. All that being said, you have four players that I really love and your shooting is stellar. We will see what you can piece together for a high usage frontcourt bench on a limited budget though. That is a hard profile to fill and still keep it efficient. 35 – 40 wins.

Updated final projections: Not enough minutes plus a tough division, 30 – 35 wins

benhoidal - Davis, Anthony; Capela, Clint; Lowry, Kyle; Allen, Ray; Iguodala, Andre; Mirotic, Nikola; Anderson, Kyle: Ben has been comparing this to his 62 win Giannis team, but honestly I thought that team slightly overachieved and I think this team is much better. This one has an obvious weakness when it goes against teams with two elite perimeter scorers and certainly Ben has to find a lot of rebounding in his undrafted bench but he has a pretty decent budget left over to do it. Mirotic was a glorious fit behind Davis and I probably should have pulled the trigger on him behind Robinson. 55 – 60 wins.

Updated final projections: mptrey is too good, 51 – 56 wins

dBKC - Stockton, John; McHale, Kevin; George, Paul; Russell, Bill; Jones, Bobby; Johnson, Kevin; Andersen, Chris: This is a hard team to forecast because if dBKC is using the best season of each player, then he is already 3 million over the cap before he drafts a bench. So I don’t know exactly what season he is using. In this format, he has proven to be one of the best 5 – 10 owners, so I suspect his team will be good. But, everyone one of his players, while good, has a glaring flaw. Stockton: turnovers, McHale: rebounding, George: shooting %s (for his usage profile), Russell: sucking, Jones: rebounding, Johnson: shot distribution, Andersen: Actually, he rocks. Given all the unknowns but also giving this team the dBKC bump. 40 – 45 wins.

Updated final projections: That bench is kind of rough, 38 – 43 wins

dh555 - Paul, Chris; Camby, Marcus; Ginobili, Manu; Mourning, Alonzo; Wallace, Gerald; Redd, Michael; Edge, Charlie: This ******* guy. I have been in leagues with dh555 for a long time so I know how good he is, but he has been in an ODL rut. Not anymore. This team rules. Enough budget for a bench? Check. Good efficiency stats? Check. Great defense? Check. Well distributed usage? Check. Enough rebounding and threes? TBD but probably. 47 – 52 wins.

Updated final projections: Good amount of fouls and turnovers and I thought the bench would be better, 44 – 49 wins

gerryred - Towns, Karl-Anthony; Wallace, Ben; Harper, Derek; Price, Mark; Gasol, Pau; Terry, Jason; Smith, J.R.: I mean, sure, you have Ben Wallace and KAT, but are you really coming at me with a starting backcourt with a combined 15 DREB%? Yikes. Also, either a) JR Smith is your starting SF or B) you did not draft a SF. That seems troublesome. All that being said, your aggregated numbers look pretty good so maybe you know something secret and cool. 35 – 40 wins.

Updated final projections: The defense and rebounding sticks, but so does the division, 36 – 41 wins

HDS1 - Rodman, Dennis; Johnson, Magic; McAdoo, Bob; Murphy, Troy; Rollins, Tree; Love, Kevin; Moore, Johnny: I am going to share a snippet of an SM exchange I had with HDS1:

My issues with Rodman:
  1. No usage on my first pick means I have to pick it up later and the later you go in the draft, the worse the available usage gets.
  2. He plays SF if you use the right season, which means I have lost a prime position to get enough 3s, of which I think you need at least 450 to have a shot.
  3. Given the usage that is available in later rounds, you often end up a little MID% heavy.
In order to get value out of his defense, so he isn't being wasted on just SFs, I have to get at least one big man who is effective at SF.

There are usually two builds I like with Rodman. One is two lead guards who are high usage and efficient, but not enough assists to be a solo guard. Something like a combo A. Hardaway and Manu or Manu and Jrue Holiday or something along those lines. Then I get a PF/C combo of one low usage one medium usage, high shooting, high paint guys. Like Buck Williams Domantas Sabonis. Doesn't have to be these guys but it is an example.

The other is one stud guard, a bunch of solid rotation guys and Dirk. Dirk doesn't usually get drafted because of his low rebounding for the position, but if you pick one of the seasons where he can reasonably defend SFs, I love the fit of him with Rodman. McHale is another amazing fit with Rodman.
I do like the Murphy and Love picks. I hate the Rollins pick and I do not understand why anyone would draft Johnny Moore. 35 – 40 wins.

Updated final projections: So many turnovers and you can’t rebound those, 34 – 39 wins

isacqbs58 - Chamberlain, Wilt; Grant, Horace; Nance, Larry; Green, Danny; Nelson, Jameer; Pierce, Ricky; Christie, Doug: By my accounting, isacqbs58 has a lot of minutes to fill and not a lot of money, which is typical of teams that draft Wilt in this format. I kind of see what you were doing here but also you drafted two SFs with picks 2 and 3, you drafted great fits with picks 4 and 5, and then you got drunk af and picked Pierce/Christie in the 6th. 23 – 28 wins.

Updated final projections: Yikes, 15 – 20 wins

jackedjamie - Whiteside, Hassan; Nash, Steve; Mutombo, Dikembe; McMillan, Nate; Biyombo, Bismack; Beaubois, Rodrigue; Moreland, Eric: Total disregard for fouls and turnovers, probably not enough threes, but does everything else at an elite level. I am not sure how much more I can say about this team. 33 – 38 wins.

Updated final projections: Kobe? 31 – 36 wins

jcred5 - Malone, Karl; Pippen, Scottie; Noah, Joakim; Siakam, Pascal; Beverley, Patrick; Lin, Jeremy; Monroe, Greg: This is a lot of midrange shooting. I kind of like the load up on non PG assists and then draft Pat Bev idea. There is definitely a cohesive thought out strategy with this team. I love the Nets Lin season as a guard backup. That Siakam season is so nice but I can’t see how you start him on this team. Monroe is a fine backup for Malone. 42 – 47 wins.

Updated final projections: That division is just too tough, 40 – 45 wins

mikee1 - Barkley, Charles; Walton, Bill; Irving, Kyrie; Blaylock, Mookie; Beal, Bradley; Okafor, Emeka; Evans, Reggie: That was a pretty big trade to then draft Irving way before he is normally drafted. I am a well-documented “Mookie is trash in the sim” -guy. I suspect you are going with a lower usage Barkley than I recommend. Beal is so ******* good and such a steal, but also a poor fit on this team. Okafor and Evans are fine. 36 – 41 wins.

Updated final projections: This team isn’t stopping anyone and that is not the Beal season I expected, 33 – 38 wins

mptrey - O'Neal, Shaquille; Marion, Shawn; Bledsoe, Eric; Covington, Robert; Favors, Derrick; Cousins, Demarcus; Marshall, Kendall: Shaq, Marion, Bledsoe, Covington and Favors is like a blueprint for a team that I would obsessively build. There is so much to like here. Great shooting, good enough rebounding, elite defense, positional flexibility, solid TO%. This won’t be the best team but it is my favorite team and the team that I think I could take the guts of and make into a powerhouse. 46 – 51 wins.

Updated final projections: This team rocks, 49 – 54 wins

NotoriousJ - Howard, Dwight; Simmons, Ben; Vucevic, Nikola; Boerwinkle, Tom; Harris, Joe; Johnson, James; McRoberts, Josh: Not enough threes but lots of fouls and turnovers. I actually have this team as the 4th worst turnover team and the 2nd worst fouling team. It also seems a little PNT% heavy. The Defense looks like it has a chance of being REAL BAD. However, NotoriousJ almost always builds good teams, plus the rebounding and eFG look pretty good. NotoriousJ bump = 37 – 42 wins.

Updated final projections: I could see anything with this team but I will keep it to a five win window, 38 – 43 wins

Pharrop - Curry, Stephen; Chandler, Tyson; Harrell, Montrezl; Ray, Clifford; O'Quinn, Kyle; Gay, Rudy; Nance Jr., Larry: If you didn’t attach any owner names or context and just showed me a list of players drafted attached to a number, I would say this is the best team. Having a Chandler-Harrell combo, with so much high efficiency PNT scoring tied to Steph’s god status from PER is basically impossible to gameplan for. Pharrop has combined this with outstanding defense. The tertiary numbers look good. This is a great build. 48 – 53 wins.

Updated final projections: I wish the fouls and turnover were better but I like everything else and there are 12 gimme wins in the division, 46 – 51 wins

Redbooda - Jordan, Michael; Erving, Julius; Gilmore, Artis; Cheeks, Maurice; Wallace, Rasheed; Jefferson, Al; Wall, John: Congrats for unlocking the achievement where you get to play at a $55M cap. Also, you win the “devoted to MID%” award. 15 – 20 wins.

Updated final projections: This team isn’t good at anything besides defense and the minutes are low, 15 – 20 wins

Robusk - Robinson, David; Conley, Mike; Holiday, Jrue; Bogut, Andrew; Williams, Marvin; Evans, Tyreke; Collins, John: My usual team style, with less rebounding and more fouls. 45 – 50 wins.

Updated final projections: The team is still meh but the division is tasty, 50 – 55 wins

Seapilots - Malone, Moses; Duncan, Tim; Rondo, Rajon; Barry, Brent; Harris, Tobias; Hill, George; Green, JaMychal: This team has a lot of defense, passing, rebounding, manageable fouls and turnovers. However, I think the shooting numbers are too poor to win consistently. I profile this as one of those teams where their road record is remarkably similar to their home record. 39 – 44 wins.

Updated final projections: The team is decent but this is the hardest division, 37 – 42 wins

tarheel1991 - Harden, James; Wade, Dwyane; Outlaw, Bo; Davis, Ed; Gadzuric, Dan; Doncic, Luka; Dalembert, Samuel: I actually had to build this team in the draft center to try and get a grip on what you are doing, what seasons you are using and how they fit together. It has always been obvious to me that you value offensive rebounding more than me, and given the amount of bricks that Wade, Harden and Luka are going to put up, you will need every bit of it. If I have the seasons right, it looks like you are rolling out 18 points of usage in the starting lineup, with 111 as your cumulative rate. That is pretty high for a lowish cap league like this. Your rebounds seem pretty filthy, your assists are solid, and the defense is good enough, although if I have the Gadzuric and Davis seasons right, Outlaw is the only person who can provide elite defense across the 3, 4 and 5 – so essentially one elite backcourt defender and one elite front court defender. All the complaints about how much you spent on usage from the draft, it certainly looks like you have enough money left to build a decent bench. I really hate Luka’s shooting numbers for that usage rate. All logic points to this team not being great, but history demonstrates that my logic is prone to underestimating your teams so… 39 – 44 wins.

Updated final projections: the Lord is with thee, 37 – 42 wins

tau1624 - Jordan, DeAndre; Leonard, Kawhi; Jokic, Nikola; Ibaka, Serge; Valanciunas, Jonas; Tinsley, Jamaal; Faried, Kenneth: I would say DeAndre is the most overrated top 20 pick in the ODL but it is way too on brand for me. Kawhi where he was drafted here is a steal. Jokic is a plausible fit given how little the other options do dumb stuff. Every other pick here is intelligently filling gaps. At this point tau1624 almost never makes any mistakes. I think the one issue I have is that this teams needs to pick up A LOT of threes on the bench. 44 – 49 wins.

Updated final projections: Have fun with this division boss, 43 – 48 wins

thomcat - James, LeBron; Drummond, Andre; Marshall, Donyell; Webber, Chris; Jackson, Mark; Marjanovic, Boban; Perkins, Kendrick: Rounds 1- 4: Brilliance. Round 4 – 6: Why? There is a lot of good defense, rebounding, and efficiency on this squad. However, it feels a little light on threes and a little heavy on turnovers. There is also some dependency on getting quality bench usage which is a challenge given how much money left I peg you at. 28 – 33 wins.

Updated final projections: You never downgrade you LeBron, 28 – 33 wins

ysw128 - Antetokounmpo, Giannis; Green, Draymond; Billups, Chauncey; Parish, Robert; Oladipo, Victor; West, David; Jones, Edgar: God ******* damn if this team does not love to turn the ball over. Aside from that, the defense is stellar, the rebounding is real good, the assists look great. I don’t love the remaining budget. You did pick up several players later than they normally get drafted. I think the strengths should be able to offset the problems here, but I am worried about the bench. 36 – 41 wins.

Updated final projections: I could type out bad fouls and turnovers for the 20th time or talk about how good this defense is, 38 – 43 wins
6/14/2020 12:15 AM (edited)
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5/28/2020 8:15 AM
Howard at 10 is really quite a haul. He is 6 on my board.
5/28/2020 1:06 PM
Thank you - no way I was passing on that (unless Giannis was still there).
5/28/2020 2:35 PM
like Steve Icanspellhislastnameoffthetopofmyhead's character Donnie, I'm out of my element. I haven't done a cap draft league in so long... I'm bound to make some people chuckle with my draft picks! At least the Savage draft has warmed me up slightly.

Guys that used to be top 10 (hell top five) picks going in the 2nd round... dudes I've literally never used in the sim going in rounds 2 & 3... I'm totally in for it.
5/29/2020 1:19 AM
Harden/Wade backcourt is completely insane, gonna give it a shot.
5/29/2020 4:29 PM
Posted by tarheel1991 on 5/29/2020 4:29:00 PM (view original):
Harden/Wade backcourt is completely insane, gonna give it a shot.
So insane. I love it.
5/29/2020 4:35 PM
Posted by robusk on 5/29/2020 4:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tarheel1991 on 5/29/2020 4:29:00 PM (view original):
Harden/Wade backcourt is completely insane, gonna give it a shot.
So insane. I love it.
Same. Why do the same thing over & over? Have some fun!
5/29/2020 5:09 PM
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