Posted by chargingryno on 6/24/2020 7:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rbow923 on 6/24/2020 5:00:00 PM (view original):
Silver King update. He's already won 17 games. The team has 32 errors in 47 games with Walter Johnson also starting. Anybody still think he's a punk?

I don't recall anyone calling him a punk. Simply that there are reasons (some good reasons by some good owners) that he drafting him comes with some baggage.

As anyone who plays more than one season on here knows, one instance doesn't necessarily prove a point (if there's even a point to be proven...). I will be curiously watching to see how the SK teams end up, he's a great pitcher, and many people love/have no issue with deadballers - but there are reasons why other people prefer to shy away from them. As with anything in the sim, there are ways to negate or compensate for weaknesses teams/players have. You drafted a phenomenal defensive team. So far they've been able to hold onto the ball and your team has been very successful. You can easily look around at other SK teams in this tournament and see teams that haven't been that fortuitous.

I can't fully comment on those other SK teams since I haven't looked at their full rosters and how they are managing Silver King, but I will say that one possible reason some of those SK teams aren't doing well is because the owner doesn't know how to properly use Silver King (wrong pitch count settings, frequently pitching him in back to back games, allowing Sparky to pinch hit or pinch run for Silver King).

The bigger question is, what starting pitcher is realistically draftable in the Variable Cap that would be better than Silver King without being susceptible to the same problems? For example, if you draft poor defense, then every deadballer is going to suffer, not just Silver King. And if you try and roster a whole bunch of modern day SPs like Pedro Martinez or Greg Maddux, you're going to run out of money because of the $5 million penalty for every SP over 200 IP.

Oh absolutely. I think the variable cap offers a lot of pros and cons and I don't think there's a wrong choice or a right choice, just simply preference in this instance.

If I could go back I would 100% have taken silver king.

For high cap leagues like that, having a guy who could go out there and rest your bullpen every other game is invaluable to me. I don’t care if I can’t use all his pitches

Posted by chargingryno on 6/24/2020 7:27:00 PM (view original):
Oh absolutely. I think the variable cap offers a lot of pros and cons and I don't think there's a wrong choice or a right choice, just simply preference in this instance.

My variable league has 4 teams with Silver King. 48 games in they rank 17th, 21st, 22nd, and 23rd in defense.
Having poor defense doesn't necessarily mean the team is going to be bad, or that it's not worth drafting someone like King (CLXXVIII is currently 29-19 and National Martini Day, #171 is 28-20), but it's something you have to consider and weigh when building your team.

Team	GP	PO	A	E	DP	FPCT
177 Million Ways to Play	48	1303	556	17	82	.991
Zachs 180M Variable Cap	48	1255	472	28	91	.984
$170M Platoontang.	48	1302	512	30	96	.984
gumps platoon	48	1271	533	30	147	.984
Mechanized Hum at 180 rpm	48	1264	531	32	148	.982
Barry Ruth	48	1248	510	32	84	.982
WISC 6D - $168 Million	48	1268	544	33	78	.982
The 177 Million Dollar Match Game	48	1301	559	36	123	.981
Turk 182 (6)	48	1275	569	37	124	.980
DOGGS WIS 180 VARIABLE	48	1278	559	38	134	.980
Net 160	48	1272	580	39	116	.979
Einhundertachtzig	48	1287	530	42	132	.977
Million $180 Devine Bonds	48	1322	587	42	120	.978
$180M: Rynos 176 Million Red Balloons	48	1294	547	42	91	.978
LEAGUE AVERAGE	48	1284	548	44	119	.977
159 Million Ways to Lose	48	1259	560	45	141	.976
Schuylkill Expressway Car Fire	48	1287	530	47	152	.975
BREAK ON THROUGH	48	1301	584	48	125	.975
Squint 172	48	1320	542	48	116	.975
CLXXVIII	48	1305	512	51	120	.973
174th Platoon $180	48	1295	581	52	129	.973
National Martini Day, #171	48	1284	570	52	133	.973
174 Million Silver	48	1265	534	54	78	.971
CLXXII	48	1278	591	65	146	.966
Time Passages 177MM	48	1276	559	104	150	.946

Posted by 06gsp on 6/14/2020 7:56:00 PM (view original):
My $120M team is real bad, not enough XBH and not good enough pitching, plus a tough division. Could be a long season.

$120M team was 6-15 when I made this post

Since then, 24-3.

Strategically saving my next whine for when I really need it!

Posted by justinlee_24 on 6/24/2020 7:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rbow923 on 6/24/2020 5:00:00 PM (view original):
Silver King update. He's already won 17 games. The team has 32 errors in 47 games with Walter Johnson also starting. Anybody still think he's a punk?

Yep mine has 17 wins as well. I think there's 2 common mistakes I see owners make when they roster Silver King:

Mistake #1: They treat him like any other SP and set his maximum pitch count too low. Silver King should be throwing quite a few complete games, otherwise you can't get even close to his RL IP.

Mistake #2: They allow Sparky to pinch hit or pinch run for Silver King. If Sparky pinch hits or pinch runs for Silver King, he likely won't have gotten anywhere close to the number of pitches he needs to have thrown that game. Since a Silver King team shouldn't have a super deep bullpen, this will likely lead to major fatigue problems in the bullpen.

I'm not doubting these are true ... but the Variable cap is a DH league so we can at least rule out the second one for any issues in this situation.

I am one of three owners in my 120M theme that chose Gehrig as their Hitting Stud. Gehrig is 1-2 in NL MVP race, and 1st in AL MVP race. That's the pro-Gehrig case. But I'm wondering if I should have picked Cobb as my stud because he fills a more valuable position which is harder to fill than 1B. I thought being able to choose a lesser Cobb was an advantage in not choosing the stud Cobb, since clones were not allowed. What do the Cobb owners have to say?

I’m enjoying my Cobb so far. I picked him because he was the cheapest of the studs and came with A+ defense. He’s #5 in MVP and the current gold glover in CF

Cobb is doing quite well for me. 10+ plays against 1 error. .367/.425/.523. 1st in the MVP. Silver Slugger and Gold Glove. Let me spend more elsewhere.

Cobb has 8 of the 10 MVP spots overall.

Posted by tigerrott on 6/24/2020 11:08:00 PM (view original):
I am one of three owners in my 120M theme that chose Gehrig as their Hitting Stud. Gehrig is 1-2 in NL MVP race, and 1st in AL MVP race. That's the pro-Gehrig case. But I'm wondering if I should have picked Cobb as my stud because he fills a more valuable position which is harder to fill than 1B. I thought being able to choose a lesser Cobb was an advantage in not choosing the stud Cobb, since clones were not allowed. What do the Cobb owners have to say?

I'm not a Cobb owner, but after some reflection I'm not so sure there's one right answer - I think a convincing argument could be made for 1923 Babe Ruth, 1911 Ty Cobb, or 1927 Lou Gehrig (1921 Babe Ruth is more expensive than 1923 Babe Ruth for pretty much no reason, and who would pick Barry Bonds instead of Ty Cobb when he costs more and can't defend as well?)

The argument for 1923 Babe Ruth would be that he is the best player of the 3, he can play CF quite well and despite being the best player of the 3, he's actually more "efficient" (efficient means the player produces a lot of offensive production adjusted for the player's defense relative to the player's salary) than 1911 Ty Cobb and roughly on par with 1927 Lou Gehrig. He hits for plenty of power, so he's also perfectly capable of driving himself in. The primary drawback is he's still really expensive, and chances are the additional $ spent on Ruth could have been spent on surrounding talent - even if 1923 Babe Ruth is quite a bit better than the other 2 players, which he is.

1927 Lou Gehrig is a far more "efficient" player than 1911 Ty Cobb (roughly on par with 1923 Babe Ruth) but he isn't nearly as expensive. That makes him good value for the stud position compared to the others. The problem is that 1B is generally where you expect the highest efficiency, so had you drafted 1911 Ty Cobb or 1923 Babe Ruth instead, you could have drafted an extremely efficient 1B player as part of your supporting cast.

1911 Ty Cobb is actually one of the most inefficient players in the database. However, he is the cheapest of the stud hitters, and he can play CF. If you make use of 1911 Ty Cobb being cheaper to load up on extremely efficient supporting cast players, he could wind up being the best option in spite of the fact that he himself is not a very efficient player (costs a lot compared to what he brings to the table).

Cobb has 14 of the top 25 OPS spots in my league. Another fact to consider is that most people were likely to take Joss. Cobb should fare better than Ruth and Gehrig against him.

Cobb's range also helps behind Joss.

Posted by Jtpsops on 6/24/2020 11:45:00 PM (view original):
Cobb has 14 of the top 25 OPS spots in my league. Another fact to consider is that most people were likely to take Joss. Cobb should fare better than Ruth and Gehrig against him.

Cobb's range also helps behind Joss.

Cobb might fare well against Joss, but he won't fare very well against 2016 Clayton Kershaw (which most people would have drafted as well as 1908 Addie Joss). If people drafted mostly liveball pitchers other than Joss (notice that more people picked Modern Day Pitchers rather than Deadballers in the $90m theme), this would easily outweigh the advantage against Joss. This may or may not be true on a league to league basis, but this is a thought.

I'm satisfied with Cobb hitting .384 with 24 XBH good glove and speed. But the reason I drafted him was to save money, important in albatross leagues. And that team is below .500 so what do I know.

My Cobb has been just OK, but not dragigng me down. That being said, my Furcal is batting for a higher average than Cobb (and just a smidge less OBP) so far and has been a pleasant surprise.