Posted by Guitarguy567 on 6/14/2020 12:33:00 PM (view original):
Who controls access to information, controls the future. Who controls the power to form public opinion, controls the future.

I will say I hope you are right Tang, about the radical left not being representative of the future of the left as a whole. Trump will be out of office in six months. Perhaps, I worry less about the right just because I am absolutely sure of that fact. If any of Trump's extra-constitutional half baked policy plans come to fruition AND he gets reelected (thus ensuring them some impact) I will admit my priorities have been completely off-base and buy you a simleague team. Deal?

I know plenty of people who were "absolutely sure" he would not get elected in the first place. With the American public I for one, don't feel absolutely sure about anything, except that a good portion of them don't use their brains.

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 6/14/2020 11:24:00 AM (view original):
Here is what should be obvious to anyone who can do 30 seconds of googling, even people who do not understand policing. There are 100 million arrests in the US every single year and only 1000 fatal shootings. There is no excuse for anyone with a modicum of sense to portray that data as an epidemic of police violence. I am completely embarrassed for otherwise rational public intellectuals who don't seem to conduct this basic statistical sanity check.

Are we just going to pass by you trying to say there are 100 MILLION arrests in the United States every year?

Number of arrests for all offenses in the United States in 2018: 10,310,960

That’s about 90 MILLION short.

Posted by rsp777 on 6/14/2020 12:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 6/14/2020 11:24:00 AM (view original):
Here is what should be obvious to anyone who can do 30 seconds of googling, even people who do not understand policing. There are 100 million arrests in the US every single year and only 1000 fatal shootings. There is no excuse for anyone with a modicum of sense to portray that data as an epidemic of police violence. I am completely embarrassed for otherwise rational public intellectuals who don't seem to conduct this basic statistical sanity check.

Are we just going to pass by you trying to say there are 100 MILLION arrests in the United States every year?

Number of arrests for all offenses in the United States in 2018: 10,310,960

That’s about 90 MILLION short.

Oops, you are right, I did mean 10 million.

That stills comes out to .00001 % of arrests. Not exactly enough to warrant the fear mongering seen daily in New York Times op-ed section

Posted by bronxcheer on 6/14/2020 12:31:00 PM (view original):

Television[edit] Blaze Media Newsmax TV One America News Network Sinclair Broadcast Group Fox News Talk radio[edit] The Rush Limbaugh Show The Sean Hannity Show The Mark Levin Show The Glenn Beck Show The Dennis Prager Show The Savage Nation The Lars Larson Show The Alex Jones Show The Ben Shapiro Show The Buck Sexton Show Armstrong & Getty The Wayne Allyn Root Show Magazines[edit] National Review Newsmax Magazine The American Conservative The American Spectator The Weekly Standard Washington Examiner Taki’s Magazine Spectator USA Newspapers[edit] The Epoch Times The New York Observer New York Post The Washington Times

Websites[edit] American Thinker TheBlaze Breitbart News Network[6] CNSNews Conservative Review The Daily Caller[6] The Daily Signal The Daily Wire Drudge Report The Federalist Fox Nation Free Republic The Gateway Pundit[6] InfoWars[6] Independent Journal Review LifeZette Louder with Crowder Newsmax PJ Media Prntly Rebel News Right Side Broadcasting Network Townhall TruthRevolt Twitchy The Washington Free Beacon The Western Journal WorldNetDaily PragerU [7] Blogs[edit] Hot Air Instapundit Michelle Malkin Power Line RedState Zero Hedge

How many of these are actually considered major media outlets? Talk radio does lean right and has for a long time. Your other examples are mostly lacking. Sure, The Epoch Times leans right. But the New York Times leans left, its opinion section radically so. The New York Times is the paper of record and has a much, much, much, much, much greater power to shape public opinion.

And including Alex Jones and Infowars hurts your argument. He has been deplatformed everywhere. Sure, he's an idiot. But there are equally idiotic people on the left that YouTube and Twitter and etc etc are not banning.

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 6/14/2020 12:26:00 PM (view original):
The (radical?) left controls the major media (excepting Foxnews)
Controls the major social media networks (a quick check of twitter's own twitter account conclusively proves this in regards to them)
Controls the major corporate entities
Controls big tech (google leans left, this is indisputable. Google's power is also without question)
Counts among their ranks most influential journalists

All that being said, Joe Biden is by far the best choice for president in 2020. If Republicans elect Trump, they will lose the presidency for a generation, maybe more. Fascism is as much or more a bogeyman for the left as socialism is for those on the right. The Russian Revolution was very much enacted by real/by the book socialists.

OK. I'm going to say something that's going to blow your mind. The amount of "leftist" news isn't a good thing for Democrats. A couple reasons why:

1. There is no "democratic narrative". Fox News and conservative radio are able to form a cohesive narrative on the right because they are what conservatives go towards to get their news. If you are a liberal, you might get one perspective from CNN, another from MSNBC, another from the NY Times, etc. etc. The sheer number of "liberal" outlets isn't an advantage in any way.
2. Fox News and conservative talk radio is more partisan than any major "liberal" outlet. Fox News is a propaganda wing of the Republican party. There are studies showing that they have had a clear and obvious effect on political elections AND we have studies showing their viewers to be consistently more misinformed than viewers of any other program. Sure, most writers on these "major media" probably will vote for Biden, but they see their job as news, not opinion. Look at the NY times as an example. They have an obsession with portraying both sides in an equal light. Did you read their headline after Trump tear gassed protesters? It was something along the lines of "Trump calls for Order amidst riots". Does that sound like a left partisan organization? CNN cares more about trying to get clicks and making stories up than actually convincing people to do anything. MSNBC is the closest we have to Fox, and they are horrible at it. There is a clear and obvious difference between "liberal" and "conservative" news.
3. You really think that the majority of major media is "radically left". They are moderate Democrats, largely. There aren't many socialists on the Washington Post, for obvious reasons.

Controls the major social media networks (a quick check of twitter's own twitter account conclusively proves this in regards to them)

Twitter has 300 million users. Facebook has 2.6 billion. You really think the Zucc is pushing a radical left wing agenda? Give me a break. Facebook was one of the main reasons Trump won in 2016. Candace Owens videos get about 50 million views there.

Controls the major corporate entities
Controls big tech (google leans left, this is indisputable. Google's power is also without question)

You really think that the radical, SOCIALIST left is on board with major corporate entities? Really? You think Google wants a class war to overthrow the bourgeoisie? O-K. They are moderates at best, if they even have a political lean. Dude, if you want to make the argument that America is headed for a Russian Revolution, you DO NOT want to use "major corporate entities" as your group pushing them.

Also, the Republicans have a huge advantage because they pander to the rich. As long as America's political donation system remains, the Party most attractive to rich donors are always going to be on top in the long run. Socialists aren't getting funding from billionaires, surprisingly.

Fascism is as much or more a bogeyman for the left as socialism is for those on the right.

You continually ignore the argument that fascism is actually the major party platform for the Republicans, whereas socialism still isn't popular among Democrats. Again, Bernie lost his primary. Twice. He isn't even a real socialist. No actual libertarian is going to vote for Trump.


I will take up the bet on Trump winning this November. It's going to happen.

If Biden is the best choice in 2020, why not vote for him? Real talk: I wouldn't be this triggered by you if you hadn't led everything off by saying "I'm never voting for Democrats again." None of your arguments apply to the majority of the Democratic party. If you aren't down with Socialism, that's fine. Don't condemn people who aren't socialists.

As long as fascism is a viable alternative, socialism is never going to happen. At least not electorally. There's always the chance of a violent revolution, but I don't see that happening. White nationalism is scary because Americans could legitimately vote for it.

"Sure, The Epoch Times leans right. But the New York Times leans left"

False equivalence is false equivalence.

Not to mention its debatable the Times leans left, based on the past 4 years.

By the way, Sinclair is huge as well. Local TV makes a big difference.

Defund the police.

defund coreandor and DougOut!

Posted by laramiebob on 6/14/2020 11:44:00 AM (view original):
Here's another " statistical sanity check" for you pal.

From YOUR stats.
100 Million ARRESTS "every single year" in the US.
How many millions of us are there?
somewheres around 331,002,651 Million? (edited to add the population stat!)

That means that nearly 1/3rd of every citizen (men, women, boys, and girls!) gets arrested EVERY year.

Now, to me, that means that:
A) Your stats are BS. or
B) Far, far too many arrests are made in the US each year!

maybe we need to examine our LAWS and WHY so many folks are being arrested AND FOR WHAT?

That may be a good place to start to figure out WTF is wrong with our criminal justice system given that the majority of the arrests are POC!

I cannot resist. It is 10mil not 100 mil.

Carry on.

Posted by wylie715 on 6/14/2020 8:41:00 PM (view original):
defund coreandor and DougOut!

This is 100% true in the abstract.

The far right is bonker these days, and the problem is every person who identifies as GOP or a Trump supporter, either willingly or unwillingly, supports that bonkers. That is just how gone the republicans are now. I wish we had a viable second choice nowadays but as long as the GOP continues to be just trolls and shitposters, and based on several GOP Senate Twitter feeds, they do, then ****.

But the far left ain't ******* gravy on mashed potatoes. I like core, but they are clearly young and naive, and most Bernie Bros aren't much better. They have no clue what they're doing and fail to realize how often they hurt the cause of improving the environment, justice, and politics.

Defund the far right and far left. But while the far left is still on the fringes, the far right is the GOP now. That's the difference.

Biden really is the perfect candidate right now. I thank black voters again. Hopefully he follows through with most, the environment and regulations and justice reform, of the policies he's talking about.

I agree with every part of this except for "Biden is the perfect candidate right now", which I wholeheartedly disagree with. If you wanted a moderate, there are better options (Pete Buttigieg, anyone?). If you wanted someone who could unite multiple factions, Yang would have been your man. Biden isn't a good candidate.

The difference goes further than popularity. It's dangerous to equate the far left and the far right. The far left is young and naive, but the far right is fascist. One is clearly worse than the other.