Posted by robusk on 9/16/2020 12:46:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jhsukow on 9/15/2020 11:35:00 PM (view original):
You have to fire Doc. Publicly. In the bubble. Nsne Ty Lue the interm. Now.

Doc is real bad man.

what about Paul George? another 10 point egg laid. Or Kawhi's 14 points in 43 minutes. Doc is not the problem.

Has any coach had the talent he has had to only have one title? It seems impossible. Can't get to a conference finals with the Clips? Can't do anything with the Paul/Blake group? Hold that Celtics group to only one championship? Yikes. He is the only coach to ever have multiple 3-1 defeats. He HAS THREE.

Not personal. He showed incredible grace during the Sterling nightmare. He is a wonderful advocate. Just does not have the ability to coach NBA players. He is Mike Ditka, If Mike Ditka wasn't an ignorant, racist scumbag.

Posted by longtallbrad on 9/16/2020 10:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by cmcafeeky on 9/16/2020 7:37:00 AM (view original):
Doc Rivers 0-8 in game 7s. Next worst all time is 0-5

with that raspy voice - I bet he sucks at Karaoke...

was wondering if Tree Rollins ever bit HIS finger...
Like in a practise scrum... or maybe at a team meal

Ha! I thought I was the only person on this site who remembered that class Tree-Ainge fight. Danny was on the injury list for a few games due to a "severely bitten finger."

LTB: I was watching it LIVE... lol
Atlanta had some VERY solid squads back in the day. Dmnq.Wilkens, Tree Rollins, Doc Rivers at point, Kevin Willis, etc.
but were no match for the Bird - McHale - Parrish - DJ - Ainge Celtics...

I loved that Celtics team - Ainge was FIESTY and ready to mix it up... lol

heck, Im old enough to emember that they put the FINALS on tape delay....
I'm pretty sure the "Magic playing center becasue Jabbar migrane - and scores 40" game was tape delay...lol

ahhhhh the good old days - back then you had to work a little harder to be an NBA fan -

and Friday nights at 11:30 you could sometimes catch west conf. games (in the late 70s...)
(Sikma - Gus Williams Sonics come to mind)

these kids today with their remote rcontrols and round the clock NBA access....
hell, I had to walk to school in the snow ..UPHILL... BOTH WAYS...

HELL...I had to buy a magazine if I wanted to know about the all star game and especailly if you wanted to know rosters - lol

there was an NBA BEFORE Larry and Magic -
I think ESPN narrative often seems like there was noting before they started broadcasting, lol
unless they are shilling some 30 for 30 documentary

Posted by jhsukow on 9/16/2020 10:58:00 AM (view original):
Has any coach had the talent he has had to only have one title? It seems impossible. Can't get to a conference finals with the Clips? Can't do anything with the Paul/Blake group? Hold that Celtics group to only one championship? Yikes. He is the only coach to ever have multiple 3-1 defeats. He HAS THREE.

Not personal. He showed incredible grace during the Sterling nightmare. He is a wonderful advocate. Just does not have the ability to coach NBA players. He is Mike Ditka, If Mike Ditka wasn't an ignorant, racist scumbag.

This take is v. strong.

Row Labels	Sum of Wins	Max of Wins	Min of Wins	Sum of L50 Wins	Sum of L50 Losses	Sum of DivisionLead
pexetera	120	29	21	31	19	3
bds9992	116	28	18	35	15	2
dBKC	111	28	16	34	16	2
dh555	109	26	15	31	19	2
mptrey	108	24	19	27	23	1
24kpyrite	107	25	18	29	21	0
longtallbrad	107	26	14	30	20	1
gerryred	107	24	18	32	18	0
tarheel1991	103	23	17	26	24	1
benhoidal	99	23	17	22	28	0
ashamael	99	24	16	34	16	0
pharrop	98	24	13	22	28	2
robusk	98	25	11	28	22	2
20ks	95	23	16	18	32	1
amerk1180	91	21	14	20	30	0
mikee1	91	24	13	17	33	1
dskantor	90	22	13	24	26	1
cmcafeeky	90	20	13	22	28	1
jcred5	87	26	13	25	25	1
ysw128	79	20	9	21	29	0
goetz93	78	19	12	21	29	0
jhsukow	71	17	9	17	33	0
jpevans31	65	20	6	15	35	0
albiband0	61	17	8	19	31	0

Posted by robusk on 9/16/2020 1:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jhsukow on 9/16/2020 10:58:00 AM (view original):
Has any coach had the talent he has had to only have one title? It seems impossible. Can't get to a conference finals with the Clips? Can't do anything with the Paul/Blake group? Hold that Celtics group to only one championship? Yikes. He is the only coach to ever have multiple 3-1 defeats. He HAS THREE.

Not personal. He showed incredible grace during the Sterling nightmare. He is a wonderful advocate. Just does not have the ability to coach NBA players. He is Mike Ditka, If Mike Ditka wasn't an ignorant, racist scumbag.

This take is v. strong.

Believe it or not, I didn’t hear about Ditka quadrupling down on bigotry until after this post.

Posted by jhsukow on 9/16/2020 2:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 9/16/2020 1:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jhsukow on 9/16/2020 10:58:00 AM (view original):
Has any coach had the talent he has had to only have one title? It seems impossible. Can't get to a conference finals with the Clips? Can't do anything with the Paul/Blake group? Hold that Celtics group to only one championship? Yikes. He is the only coach to ever have multiple 3-1 defeats. He HAS THREE.

Not personal. He showed incredible grace during the Sterling nightmare. He is a wonderful advocate. Just does not have the ability to coach NBA players. He is Mike Ditka, If Mike Ditka wasn't an ignorant, racist scumbag.

This take is v. strong.

Believe it or not, I didn’t hear about Ditka quadrupling down on bigotry until after this post.

Don't worry. Someone will come in here and defend Ditka.

Some separation finally happening. I'm barely hanging on at the fringes of relevance. Probably gonna need all five teams to make the playoffs again to have the chance.

Don't look now, but a certain someone is charging hard from the bottom of the pack, with 34-16 in the last 50. (Not to mention a certain other someone chasing down pex with 35-15 over the same stretch...)

Also I'd like to point out that one of my bold predictions was that albi would have a decent squad.

Oops. I think I got too focused on the team that he had in a division with me, which looked pretty good.

Posted by tarheel1991 on 9/16/2020 3:44:00 PM (view original):
Some separation finally happening. I'm barely hanging on at the fringes of relevance. Probably gonna need all five teams to make the playoffs again to have the chance.

Don't look now, but a certain someone is charging hard from the bottom of the pack, with 34-16 in the last 50. (Not to mention a certain other someone chasing down pex with 35-15 over the same stretch...)

And a certain other someone who is 7-23 in his last 30.

Posted by jhsukow on 9/16/2020 10:58:00 AM (view original):
Has any coach had the talent he has had to only have one title? It seems impossible. Can't get to a conference finals with the Clips? Can't do anything with the Paul/Blake group? Hold that Celtics group to only one championship? Yikes. He is the only coach to ever have multiple 3-1 defeats. He HAS THREE.

Not personal. He showed incredible grace during the Sterling nightmare. He is a wonderful advocate. Just does not have the ability to coach NBA players. He is Mike Ditka, If Mike Ditka wasn't an ignorant, racist scumbag.

If Griffin and CP were successful somewhere else I think that would make a good case. CP is a playoff choker. PG too. I think it's more on them.

It was a while ago, but Doc's Celtics teams won 2 game 7's in 2008 including one against LeBron. 1 - 1 the next season beating Rose and Noah's bulls, then losing game 7 to Howard with the Magic. Then in 2010 losing game 7 to Kobe and the Lakers. 3-2 in game 7's those 3 years.

Guess my point is it's mostly about the players.

Posted by robusk on 9/16/2020 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Row Labels	Sum of Wins	Max of Wins	Min of Wins	Sum of L50 Wins	Sum of L50 Losses	Sum of DivisionLead
pexetera	120	29	21	31	19	3
bds9992	116	28	18	35	15	2
dBKC	111	28	16	34	16	2
dh555	109	26	15	31	19	2
mptrey	108	24	19	27	23	1
24kpyrite	107	25	18	29	21	0
longtallbrad	107	26	14	30	20	1
gerryred	107	24	18	32	18	0
tarheel1991	103	23	17	26	24	1
benhoidal	99	23	17	22	28	0
ashamael	99	24	16	34	16	0
pharrop	98	24	13	22	28	2
robusk	98	25	11	28	22	2
20ks	95	23	16	18	32	1
amerk1180	91	21	14	20	30	0
mikee1	91	24	13	17	33	1
dskantor	90	22	13	24	26	1
cmcafeeky	90	20	13	22	28	1
jcred5	87	26	13	25	25	1
ysw128	79	20	9	21	29	0
goetz93	78	19	12	21	29	0
jhsukow	71	17	9	17	33	0
jpevans31	65	20	6	15	35	0
albiband0	61	17	8	19	31	0

34-16 ash, what's the change?

Posted by jcred5 on 9/16/2020 5:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 9/16/2020 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Row Labels	Sum of Wins	Max of Wins	Min of Wins	Sum of L50 Wins	Sum of L50 Losses	Sum of DivisionLead
pexetera	120	29	21	31	19	3
bds9992	116	28	18	35	15	2
dBKC	111	28	16	34	16	2
dh555	109	26	15	31	19	2
mptrey	108	24	19	27	23	1
24kpyrite	107	25	18	29	21	0
longtallbrad	107	26	14	30	20	1
gerryred	107	24	18	32	18	0
tarheel1991	103	23	17	26	24	1
benhoidal	99	23	17	22	28	0
ashamael	99	24	16	34	16	0
pharrop	98	24	13	22	28	2
robusk	98	25	11	28	22	2
20ks	95	23	16	18	32	1
amerk1180	91	21	14	20	30	0
mikee1	91	24	13	17	33	1
dskantor	90	22	13	24	26	1
cmcafeeky	90	20	13	22	28	1
jcred5	87	26	13	25	25	1
ysw128	79	20	9	21	29	0
goetz93	78	19	12	21	29	0
jhsukow	71	17	9	17	33	0
jpevans31	65	20	6	15	35	0
albiband0	61	17	8	19	31	0

34-16 ash, what's the change?

The sim isn't doing ridiculous ****.

Posted by jcred5 on 9/16/2020 5:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jhsukow on 9/16/2020 10:58:00 AM (view original):
Has any coach had the talent he has had to only have one title? It seems impossible. Can't get to a conference finals with the Clips? Can't do anything with the Paul/Blake group? Hold that Celtics group to only one championship? Yikes. He is the only coach to ever have multiple 3-1 defeats. He HAS THREE.

Not personal. He showed incredible grace during the Sterling nightmare. He is a wonderful advocate. Just does not have the ability to coach NBA players. He is Mike Ditka, If Mike Ditka wasn't an ignorant, racist scumbag.

If Griffin and CP were successful somewhere else I think that would make a good case. CP is a playoff choker. PG too. I think it's more on them.

It was a while ago, but Doc's Celtics teams won 2 game 7's in 2008 including one against LeBron. 1 - 1 the next season beating Rose and Noah's bulls, then losing game 7 to Howard with the Magic. Then in 2010 losing game 7 to Kobe and the Lakers. 3-2 in game 7's those 3 years.

Guess my point is it's mostly about the players.

The Celtics fought bravely against the 7 seeded Bulls. Keeping John Salmons and Ben Gordon in check is no easy task.

To be serious though, you are right, the players play the games and Paul George and Kawhi were a combination of awful/invisible. That is the culture that Doc finds himself in too often though. He is a conductor for unearned arrogance. The game is not that easy when you don’t have KG and Thibs there to keep people accountable.

Posted by jcred5 on 9/16/2020 5:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jhsukow on 9/16/2020 10:58:00 AM (view original):
Has any coach had the talent he has had to only have one title? It seems impossible. Can't get to a conference finals with the Clips? Can't do anything with the Paul/Blake group? Hold that Celtics group to only one championship? Yikes. He is the only coach to ever have multiple 3-1 defeats. He HAS THREE.

Not personal. He showed incredible grace during the Sterling nightmare. He is a wonderful advocate. Just does not have the ability to coach NBA players. He is Mike Ditka, If Mike Ditka wasn't an ignorant, racist scumbag.

If Griffin and CP were successful somewhere else I think that would make a good case. CP is a playoff choker. PG too. I think it's more on them.

It was a while ago, but Doc's Celtics teams won 2 game 7's in 2008 including one against LeBron. 1 - 1 the next season beating Rose and Noah's bulls, then losing game 7 to Howard with the Magic. Then in 2010 losing game 7 to Kobe and the Lakers. 3-2 in game 7's those 3 years.

Guess my point is it's mostly about the players.

Losing 3 series with 3-1 leads and 3 other series with 3-2 leads is not great evidence on his side though. I thought the Clippers perennially underachieved with him. You could make the case the Celtics did too.

I don't think he is terrible. But I also don't think he is a top five coach and maybe not top 10. He lets the players run the team which is usually fine when you have a bunch of good leaders on the team. He hasn't ever been a great innovator or anything imo. I think the Clippers had a lot of good players, although I am not sure how many cerebral ones besides Kawhi. I think that, combined with Doc's hands-off approach and the fact that they were completely gassed almost the whole round was a bad recipe.

This is all the opinion of one man though.