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https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/

The vast majority of demonstration events associated with the BLM movement are non-violent (see map below). In more than 93% of all demonstrations connected to the movement, demonstrators have not engaged in violence or destructive activity. Peaceful protests are reported in over 2,400 distinct locations around the country. Violent demonstrations, meanwhile, have been limited to fewer than 220 locations — under 10% of the areas that experienced peaceful protests. In many urban areas like Portland, Oregon, for example, which has seen sustained unrest since Floyd’s killing, violent demonstrations are largely confined to specific blocks, rather than dispersed throughout the city.

Yet, despite data indicating that demonstrations associated with the BLM movement are overwhelmingly peaceful, one recent poll suggested that 42% of respondents believe “most protesters [associated with the BLM movement] are trying to incite violence or destroy property” (FiveThirtyEight, 5 June 2020). This is in line with the Civiqs tracking poll which finds that “net approval for the Black Lives Matter movement peaked back on June 3 [the week following the killing of George Floyd when riots first began to be reported] and has fallen sharply since” (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 29 August 2020).

Research from the University of Washington indicates that this disparity stems from political orientation and biased media framing (Washington Post, 24 August 2020), such as disproportionate coverage of violent demonstrations (Business Insider, 11 June 2020). Groups like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) have documented organized disinformation campaigns aimed at spreading a “deliberate mischaracterization of groups or movements [involved in the protests], such as portraying activists who support Black Lives Matter as violent extremists or claiming that antifa is a terrorist organization coordinated or manipulated by nebulous external forces” (ADL, 2020). These disinformation campaigns may be contributing to the decline in public support for the BLM movement after the initial increase following Floyd’s killing, especially amongst the white population (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 30 August 2020a, 30 August 2020b). This waning support also comes as the Trump administration recently shifted its “law and order” messaging to target local Democratic Party politicians from urban areas, particularly on the campaign trail (NPR, 27 August 2020).

Despite the media focus on looting and vandalism, however, there is little evidence to suggest that demonstrators have engaged in widespread violence. In some cases where demonstrations did turn violent, there are reports of agents provocateurs — or infiltrators — instigating the violence. During a demonstration on 27 May in Minneapolis, for example, a man with an umbrella — dubbed the ‘umbrella man’ by the media and later identified as a member of the Hells Angels linked to the Aryan Cowboys, a white supremacist prison and street gang — was seen smashing store windows (Forbes, 30 May 2020; KSTP, 28 July 2020). It was one of the first reports of destructive activity that day, and it “created an atmosphere of hostility and tension” that helped spark an outbreak of looting following initially peaceful protests, according to police investigators, who believe the man “wanted to sow discord and racial unrest” (New York Times, 28 July 2020). In another example on 29 May in Detroit, a number of non-residents reportedly traveled to the city to engage in violent behavior during a demonstration, leading to multiple arrests (MLive, 2 June 2020).

10-20 million people participated in protests. If just 1% of them were violent, that's 100-200 thousand violent people. Keep that in mind (looking at you, guitarguy).

Keep in mind; that's 93% of DEMONSTRATIONS that are peaceful.

The 7% also includes:
1. Vast majorities of peaceful protesters, even if there is chaos among others.
2. White supremacist provocateurs looking to cause violence.

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Great post, Tang.

Posted by tangplay on 9/4/2020 9:36:00 PM (view original):
10-20 million people participated in protests. If just 1% of them were violent, that's 100-200 thousand violent people. Keep that in mind (looking at you, guitarguy).

Maths is hard.

Wow, you really buy this. Have seen videos from just tonight of more violence in Portland, antifa violence in NYC, blm protesters burning down a bus stop in Rochester...but sure believe what the very objective media tells you that hasn't been ridiculously overpushing the "peaceful protesters" angle at all. I guarantee you a lot of shady math is at work here...but even if not that nearly 10% of BLM protests are violent is nothing to be proud about. At all.

Oohhhh, also just watched some very peaceful footage of blm rioters swarming a Rochester restaurant, leaving quite the wake of destruction in their path. God what peaceful people!

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 9/5/2020 4:48:00 AM (view original):
Oohhhh, also just watched some very peaceful footage of blm rioters swarming a Rochester restaurant, leaving quite the wake of destruction in their path. God what peaceful people!

Like the cops? The ones that keep murdering and targeting black people. The system NEEDS to burn when its SO corrupt. You’re just worried because you CAN’T shut them up and they’re NOT going away. Welcome to payback for DECADES of injustice. You reap what you sow.

Yes, RSP, injustice is not being free to get high on PCP, run around the streets naked, resist arrest, and spit at cops while doing so during a worldwide pandemic. Yep, no personal responsibility should be taken for those actions. Gotcha. Idiot.

I would thoroughly expect morons like tang and rsp to say it's perfectly fine to have 100s of thousands of violent looters, and for them to blame anyone (Trump) other than those people for their own actions. Holding people responsible for their own actions isn't "trendy" or "cool" right now.

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 9/5/2020 4:38:00 AM (view original):
Wow, you really buy this. Have seen videos from just tonight of more violence in Portland, antifa violence in NYC, blm protesters burning down a bus stop in Rochester...but sure believe what the very objective media tells you that hasn't been ridiculously overpushing the "peaceful protesters" angle at all. I guarantee you a lot of shady math is at work here...but even if not that nearly 10% of BLM protests are violent is nothing to be proud about. At all.

Yep. None of that disproves my premise. At all. 7% doesn't mean 0%. Remember when I said that even if only 1% of protesters wanted to riot, that's 200,000 people? You can't rely on little video anecdotes to disprove this one. This is what the article is saying when it talks about media bias. YOU see a LOT of rioting, because that's what the media covers and that's what gets views on social media. You don't see the 93%.

I'd say that 10% (it's actually lower, but whatever) IS something to be proud about. You try getting MILLIONS of people to protest an act of injustice that they are ****** about, put them all on the streets at the same time, during a pandemic where they're unemployed, restless, and have nothing to lose, AND have the thing they're protesting be right in front of them, and see what % are violent. You're not thinking straight. 10% means the vast, vast majority of protesters ARE peaceful. 10% still means that a lot of damage can take place, but that damage shouldn't represent the overall movement.

Notice how I'm citing data and reason, and you're pointing to anecdotal videos you've seen.

I wonder what all3 means when he says "hold them responsible for their own actions"?

I wonder who "they" is?

Them!

Jeesh......

It's the other guy............C'mon man.

It ain't OUR fault..............can't be, we's "exceptiional".......... haven't you heard?