Savage II - Divisions Topic

I enjoyed your analysis of the two lists pex. Thanks for sharing.
10/2/2020 10:26 AM
Posted by robusk on 10/1/2020 1:15:00 AM (view original):
Adjusted for the above:
Row Labels Sum of AdjDivWins
albiband0 855
ashamael 847
benhoidal 845
jpevans31 842
robusk 836
ysw128 836
24kpyrite 833
amerk1180 831
jhsukow 828
goetz93 819
dskantor 819
bds9992 816
mikee1 815
jcred5 809
dBKC 808
longtallbrad 802
gerryred 802
cmcafeeky 799
mptrey 795
20ks 789
dh555 789
tarheel1991 774
pexetera 768
pharrop 743
what does this one tell us?
10/2/2020 3:57 PM
Here's the aforementioned spreadsheet I was talking about

Note that this is not current; it was made with 10/1 pm cycle as the most recent data.

Here is my thought process followed by detail of each column of spreadsheet.

Thought Process:
Step one: determine division difficulty (D) within each world. To do that:

A = Sum of wins within the division
B = Average wins of each division (should be same within each world; it was. 204.)

D = A/B . This is the difficulty of the division relative to the mean.

Step two: determine each owner's success given their division difficulty. Multiply each owner's wins by D for their adjusted win totals. Thus, an owner in a harder division (as determined in step 1) will earn more points per win than an owner in a weaker division.

Step three: Repeat for all five worlds to determine each owner's cumulative adjusted win rate.

Step four: Analyze.

Step five: Argue.

Step six: Accept the reality that none of this matters, as the scoring system takes none of this into account, and if you got a tough draw, you got a tough draw.

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Spreadsheet breakdown/analysis:

The spreadsheet is two pages: Results & worksheet. I feel it's fairly obvious what each is.

On results, by default, it is sorted by rankings current to the pm cycle of 10/1 (columns I & J). It's color coordinated from hot (red - ouch!) teams to cold (purple - brrrr) teams, going left to right in the color spectrum on google sheets.

Columns B through F are the weighted wins score from each individual world (can check work on worksheet).

Column G is the combined score, and H is the ranking of such. Note that this won't make bad teams not be bad, but with the increased weight given to wins in harder divisions (and penalty to those in easier divisions), it does have an effect in how things would be ranked.

This is reflected in columns K & L. Column K is the % increase of your win score factoring in strength of schedule. Column L is how far you would move up (or down) in the rankings if strength of schedule were factored in.

Both columns have condition triggers: green means strength of schedule helps your cause, red means it hurts.

Finally is column M, affectionately called, "I got screwed." This is essentially ranking how much of an impact factoring in strength of schedule had on your win total. Sort it A-Z and look at it. The top six seems pretty conclusive of many things.

(columns O & P were just copy/pasta from Rob's spreadsheet to make the comparisons I made)

I feel it necessary to repeat the following: Accept the reality that none of this matters, as the scoring system takes none of this into account, and if you got a tough draw, you got a tough draw.

It is, after all, Savage.
10/2/2020 4:22 PM
Nice job ash. And good to know that the difficulty of divisional draw wouldn't change the podium results, at least through this point in the season.
10/2/2020 5:15 PM (edited)
After last OOD games:
Row Labels Sum of DivWins Sum of AdjDivWins
20ks 1047 873
24kpyrite 1130 926
albiband0 1033 926
amerk1180 1077 909
ashamael 1137 939
bds9992 1117 907
benhoidal 1120 930
cmcafeeky 1072 894
dBKC 1112 886
dh555 1098 886
dskantor 1067 900
gerryred 1088 893
goetz93 1073 915
jcred5 1060 896
jhsukow 1069 918
jpevans31 1067 944
longtallbrad 1092 894
mikee1 1078 906
mptrey 1075 875
pexetera 1085 855
pharrop 1023 829
robusk 1100 923
tarheel1991 1040 852
ysw128 1060 924
10/4/2020 12:21 AM
I am going to write something to get some more comprehensive data, but not sure if I will get to it before Monday.
10/4/2020 12:22 AM
Posted by robusk on 10/4/2020 12:22:00 AM (view original):
I am going to write something to get some more comprehensive data, but not sure if I will get to it before Monday.
Nevermind, I sucked it up and got to it tonight.
10/4/2020 1:12 AM
I took every team multiplied the winning percentage of the opposing team by the amount of times they had to play that team and then divided by 72 (the amount of games played when I ran this). I will give you two outputs:
  1. an average winning percentage of opponents across worlds
  2. a ranked list of highest opponent winning percentage down to lowest by team
10/4/2020 1:29 AM (edited)
Row Labels Weighted Opp Win Pct
jpevans31 51.4%
albiband0 51.1%
ysw128 50.9%
jhsukow 50.7%
benhoidal 50.5%
goetz93 50.5%
ashamael 50.4%
robusk 50.4%
24kpyrite 50.3%
amerk1180 50.2%
jcred5 50.1%
mikee1 50.1%
dskantor 50.0%
bds9992 49.9%
gerryred 49.9%
dh555 49.9%
cmcafeeky 49.8%
longtallbrad 49.8%
20ks 49.6%
mptrey 49.3%
dBKC 49.3%
tarheel1991 49.0%
pexetera 48.8%
pharrop 48.6%
10/4/2020 5:46 PM (edited)
Team Record Coach Opp Win Pct Rank
BASEketball 25-49 dskantor 53.2% 1
Atlantis 30-44 amerk1180 53.2% 2
Brighten the Corners (W4) 28-46 robusk 53.0% 3
Sir Boban the Giant Slayer 34-40 benhoidal 52.7% 4
With Teeth 19-55 jpevans31 52.5% 5
Freyr 31-43 bds9992 52.5% 6
Ashland Great Wyrms 36-38 ashamael 52.4% 7
once upon a time in America 21-53 albiband0 52.2% 8
Too Physical 17-57 jpevans31 52.2% 9
Survivalism 27-47 jpevans31 52.0% 10
Drawing Flies 37-37 dh555 51.8% 11
curly 29-45 ysw128 51.7% 12
Challenger 29-45 amerk1180 51.7% 12
larry 15-59 ysw128 51.5% 14
Big Dipper 38-36 gerryred 51.5% 15
Five Feet Apart 43-31 jhsukow 51.5% 16
the good, the bad, the ugly 21-53 albiband0 51.5% 17
BLUE DOG 31-43 cmcafeeky 51.4% 18
The UC 40-34 24kpyrite 51.4% 19
Y'all Need Jesus I 39-35 mikee1 51.4% 20
ATLiens 39-35 mptrey 51.4% 20
Barracuda 39-35 20ks 51.4% 22
moe 28-46 ysw128 51.3% 23
99 Luftballons 41-33 longtallbrad 51.3% 24
I'll Melt With You 29-45 longtallbrad 51.3% 25
a fistful of dollars 11-63 albiband0 51.2% 26
Ruiner 31-43 jpevans31 51.2% 27
Safety Not Guaranteed 31-43 jhsukow 51.2% 27
RED'S BASTARDS 31-43 goetz93 51.2% 27
Aliens 29-45 jcred5 51.2% 30
The House That Jordan Built 41-33 24kpyrite 51.1% 31
Y'all Need Jesus V 30-44 mikee1 51.0% 32
For a few dollars more 22-52 albiband0 51.0% 33
Sir Anthony of Brow 42-32 benhoidal 51.0% 34
The Stilt 44-30 gerryred 50.9% 35
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind 23-51 jhsukow 50.9% 36
Wowee Zowee (W3) 44-30 robusk 50.7% 37
Incredibles 2 28-46 jcred5 50.7% 38
Ashland Titans 37-37 ashamael 50.7% 39
Thor 35-39 bds9992 50.7% 40
Ashland Mustangs 45-29 ashamael 50.6% 41
RED'S HOPHEADS 29-45 goetz93 50.6% 42
Airplane! 29-45 dskantor 50.6% 43
Y'all Need Jesus IV 33-41 mikee1 50.5% 44
THE FIGHTING RED FORMANS 38-36 goetz93 50.5% 45
Mean Girls 30-44 jhsukow 50.5% 46
shemp 34-40 ysw128 50.4% 47
Aardvark 36-38 20ks 50.3% 48
BLUE FOX 36-38 cmcafeeky 50.3% 48
Hawaii 4-0 35-39 dBKC 50.3% 50
The Highlight Factory 52-22 24kpyrite 50.3% 51
Black Mamba 50-24 pexetera 50.2% 52
Hawaii 2-0 53-21 dBKC 50.2% 53
Hawaii 1-0 41-33 dBKC 50.1% 54
The Empire Strikes Back 50-24 jcred5 50.1% 55
BLUE PIG 37-37 cmcafeeky 50.0% 56
Fletch 32-42 dskantor 50.0% 57
RED'S SMARTMOUTHS 32-42 goetz93 50.0% 57
Sir Artis the Rigorous 39-35 benhoidal 49.9% 59
RED'S DUMBA$$ES 34-40 goetz93 49.9% 60
Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain (W2) 34-40 robusk 49.9% 60
Ashland Eternals 40-34 ashamael 49.8% 62
Once upon a time in the west 35-39 albiband0 49.8% 63
Stankonia 44-30 mptrey 49.7% 64
Heimdallr 52-22 bds9992 49.7% 65
Hold Me Now 45-29 longtallbrad 49.6% 66
Superunknown 41-33 dh555 49.6% 67
Terror Twilight (W5) 41-33 robusk 49.6% 67
Be Like Mike 37-37 tarheel1991 49.6% 69
Madhouse on Madison 37-37 24kpyrite 49.6% 69
The Two Towers 28-46 jcred5 49.5% 71
Stranger Than Fiction 28-46 jhsukow 49.5% 71
The Boogie Knight 41-33 benhoidal 49.5% 73
Ty Cobb 46-28 dh555 49.5% 74
Banksville 46-28 pharrop 49.5% 75
Caterpillar 31-43 20ks 49.5% 76
Discovery 42-32 amerk1180 49.5% 77
BLUE CAT 38-36 cmcafeeky 49.4% 78
The Garden 37-37 24kpyrite 49.3% 79
curly joe 32-42 ysw128 49.3% 80
Michael and the Jordanaires 32-42 tarheel1991 49.3% 80
Goliath 43-31 gerryred 49.3% 82
Black Hole Sun 48-26 dh555 49.2% 83
Pretty Noose 43-31 dh555 49.2% 84
Dragonfly 33-41 20ks 49.2% 84
Sir Bobby 36-38 benhoidal 49.2% 86
The Game of Death 45-29 dskantor 49.2% 87
Sidewinder 47-27 pexetera 49.1% 88
The Godfather Part II 34-40 jcred5 49.1% 89
The Love Below 41-33 mptrey 49.0% 90
We're In This Together 32-42 jpevans31 49.0% 91
Aquemini 41-33 mptrey 49.0% 92
Y'all Need Jesus II 35-39 mikee1 48.9% 93
Air Jordan 46-28 tarheel1991 48.8% 94
KING DONG 36-38 gerryred 48.8% 95
House of NO EVIL 39-35 gerryred 48.8% 96
Regent Square 43-31 pharrop 48.8% 97
The Last Dance 43-31 tarheel1991 48.7% 98
Ashland Archangels 48-26 ashamael 48.7% 99
Loki 48-26 bds9992 48.7% 100
The Jordan Rules 35-39 tarheel1991 48.6% 101
California Mountain Snake 44-30 pexetera 48.6% 102
Slanted and Enchanted (W1) 38-36 robusk 48.5% 103
The Walls Came Down 45-29 longtallbrad 48.5% 104
Polish Hill 32-42 pharrop 48.5% 105
Y'all Need Jesus III 44-30 mikee1 48.4% 106
Cottonmouth 48-26 pexetera 48.4% 107
The Unguarded Moment 42-32 longtallbrad 48.4% 108
Columbia 33-41 amerk1180 48.3% 109
Endeavor 40-34 amerk1180 48.3% 110
Lawrenceville 38-36 pharrop 48.2% 111
Odin 48-26 bds9992 48.1% 112
Fineview 42-32 pharrop 48.0% 113
Hawaii 3-0 48-26 dBKC 47.9% 114
Hawaii 5-0 54-20 dBKC 47.9% 115
BLUE RAT 41-33 cmcafeeky 47.8% 116
Copperhead 47-27 pexetera 47.7% 117
Speakerboxxx 40-34 mptrey 47.4% 118
Elephant 40-34 20ks 47.4% 118
Be Water 43-31 dskantor 47.0% 120
10/4/2020 5:48 PM (edited)
Very interesting!
10/4/2020 2:41 AM
All I know is I was on a tear until division play resumed 2 cycles ago
10/4/2020 2:49 PM
There was a bug affecting teams in the central that has been corrected.
10/4/2020 5:43 PM
My teams are not good enough if I had the most favorable matchups, but it is nice to see that Five Feet Apart could contend in the playoffs and that my second and 3rd teams are also in the top 40.
10/4/2020 8:27 PM
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