Bonds and clemens were proven in court. They got out of criminal mess by getting jurors to believe they did not knowingly do it but they did it. That was the case for Bonds im sure of that .I forgot what happened with Clemens maybe they impeached the trainer who testified against him.

None of the writers who vote for them believe thst they were not on steroids and the the elite ones.
They say they vote for them for the prior careers.

On Ortiz nobody thinks he was using 04-16 which was
almost his whole career. And in 03 a lot of players were getting positive tests over the counter supplements you could get at GNC which baseball banned at that time. Many came off the list.

Clemens became an average pitcher on his way out until he started steroids.
He would often bulk up in Central or Latin America where he could not be tested. He took different stuff then Bonds which was more invisible.
Sometimes he would have a bad season after a superman season as his regiment started to fade tjen he would say he was injured and go to another country and bulk up again without testing and then maintain for a season of superman again.

Soda can only get 15-18% each time because his entire career was steroids. He hit 60 plus homers 3 times and he will never ever have any close vote.

Bonds Sosa Clemens MacGuire A- Rod all developed super strong and chisled bodies and had certain steroid facial features. Dykstra too.

Ortiz never had that. Same for Griffey.

I was against Bagwell getting in. Teamates commented or hinted but he got through testing he had the wwe steroid look..
He was retiring right when testing really stepped up.

The proof for the ones i spoke about was proven for all of them.

Can we move this to Baseball????

Posted by lostnfound74 on 1/26/2022 12:52:00 AM (view original):
Can we move this to Baseball????

People put up with your unwanted religious stuff every day and there is no where for that to be appropriate
so suck it up for a couple of days.

Big Papi sure did have an unusually big head..................

So does Todd

BREAKING NEWS

Justice Breyer is stepping down.
Ive been thinking that he wanted to stick around to be in on the decision to have the Trump archive records released.
He retires at the end of the current term.

The term ends this October right before the midterms so I guess the replacement process can start before it ends including getting senate approval.

Thomas is 74 and Alito is 72.

Mitch will no doubt express concern about nominating a new justice when there are midterm elections approaching. "LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE".

Posted by Jetson21 on 1/26/2022 12:29:00 AM (view original):
Bonds and clemens were proven in court. They got out of criminal mess by getting jurors to believe they did not knowingly do it but they did it. That was the case for Bonds im sure of that .I forgot what happened with Clemens maybe they impeached the trainer who testified against him.

None of the writers who vote for them believe thst they were not on steroids and the the elite ones.
They say they vote for them for the prior careers.

If you look back at my posts you won't find me saying anywhere that Bonds and Clemens were innocent. They weren't. All I said was that if you won't let them in the Hall, you shouldn't let anyone who has a hint of steroid use (Bagwell, Ortiz...) in.

Posted by lostnfound74 on 1/26/2022 12:52:00 AM (view original):
Can we move this to Baseball????

Oh, I'm sorry. Does reading about a sport on a sports simulation website really bother you that much? If so, just don't read those posts.