And I agree, Glenn! I see why guitarguy likes you so much. But yes, Tucker is a socialist, he just replaces the class struggle with the national struggle. It might be better to call him a national socia — wait hang on.

"The elites are bad because they oppress poor people."

"The elites are bad because they're destroying our culture by allowing immigrants in."

Greenwald: I see no difference between these statements.

I mean it's pretty true that the Dems are a coalition of the cultural elites (which often also means the financial elites) and the urban poor. The repubs base is more working class/middle class - think sans culottes (from a french rev perspective) that are more culturally basic. Your average repub likes wrestling, monster truck shows, watches the super bowl. Your cultural elitist leftist reads the new yorker, the atlantic, has very cosmopolitan tastes in food, literature culture etc.

As Scott Alexander has recently written, what the Republicans need to do is start using the word "class" more...rather than some general fight against the "elites."

We are in the middle of a party reallignment (which, historically happen every 60 to 80 years in American politics) and, if the republicans play their cards right, they have the means to appeal to a very popular, anti-elitist base...but they need to frame it in terms of class rather than race, non-citizenship etc. Things are changing, my friends. Jeff Bezos is a Dem. Your plumber is a Republican. The tastemakers in our culture are Dems (obviously, they are concerned with status and it's simply not cool to be a Republican right now). All the truck drivers that keep our groceries stores stocked are repubs. There's a lot of people who get into leftist politics because they think they are supporting the "people" vs the "rich". And they're almost completely wrong.

I'm sorry, but though that may have once been true, things have changed. The elites are obsessed with status. Stephen Colbert is not going to interview a right-wing rabble rouser. But if you've come up with a nice new formula to fight white privilege, you're booked.

You're right, gg. Jeff Bezos would vote for Bernie Sanders over Donald Trump, even campaign for him! Republicans win the working class vote (nevermind that this isn't actually true).

The Republican Party is an ally to working people everywhere, with their policies of....... keeping brown people out? Nothing else? Pull yourself up by your bootstraps?

I don't know how you could quantify "cultural elite," but even working class Republicans support democratic economic policies.

Your arguments *could* be true if you're talking about workers being driven to populism and away from centrism or neoliberalism. But you lose me when you say that LEFTISTS are supported by the elite. Bernie Sanders is not supported by the cultural or economic elite.

Voters who made over 100k a year voted Trump 57% to 43%

Voters who made under 50k a year voted Biden 57% to 42%

50-100k was Biden 56% to 43%

“I mean it's pretty true that the Dems are a coalition of the cultural elites (which often also means the financial elites) and the urban poor. The repubs base is more working class/middle class.”

sure, buddy

Btw, according to a study from National Media Inc., a Republican firm, which worked with the Nielsen and Arbitron rating agencies and studied more than 200,000 adults, WWE fans are solidly blue so check your priors on that one too.

Is Mississippi RED because of how many rich people live there? Nebraska? Kansas? North Dakota? South Dakota? Wyoming? Oklahoma? Idaho?

I don't think it is the wealthy people who live in these states that are making them red.

You forgot the word neck.

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 3/5/2021 10:59:00 AM (view original):
Is Mississippi RED because of how many rich people live there? Nebraska? Kansas? North Dakota? South Dakota? Wyoming? Oklahoma? Idaho?

I don't think it is the wealthy people who live in these states that are making them red.

Hahaha wow, this is some super elitist snob talk

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 3/5/2021 10:59:00 AM (view original):
Is Mississippi RED because of how many rich people live there? Nebraska? Kansas? North Dakota? South Dakota? Wyoming? Oklahoma? Idaho?

I don't think it is the wealthy people who live in these states that are making them red.

But NATIONALLY, more working class people vote for Democrats. That's just a fact.

I could say the exact same about every blue state. Is Delaware blue because of rich people?

Posted by tangplay on 3/5/2021 12:17:00 PM (view original):
I could say the exact same about every blue state. Is Delaware blue because of rich people?

YES

So if every state that goes blue is that way because of rich people, and every state that goes red because of poor and working class people, why do more poor people vote for Democrats?

If you think I'm wrong, I dare you to do two things: 1. Go to a well-attended monster truck show and 2. go to a well-attended opera performance and ask everyone in attendance at each who they voted for in the 2020 election. I would bet any amount of money that a greater % of people at the monster truck show voted for Trump than at the Opera performance. Also, I would bet that the average income of the people who attended the opera performance would be (much) greater than those who attended the monster truck show.

This is representative of a class divide in this country...one only getting wider. Class isn't always dependent on income either...Trump is low class no matter how much money he makes...I don't mean that as an insult - he simply has no interest in culture. Being obsessed with making money isn't class...ask the nobility and aristocracy of Europe from a bygone era...they looked down on merchants no matter how much money they had - Leisure and culture was what made them classy aka aristocrats.