Posted by tangplay on 10/4/2021 3:34:00 PM (view original):
(also yes it's fun to have spicy takes sometimes, sue me)

dino can't read, I said in my original post "Not a top 10 QB right now," this has always been my point

Last year Tom Brady was a top 10 QB by QBR, passer rating, PFF grade, adjusted net yards/attempt, and pretty much any other overall evaluator of quarterback performance.

So far this year he's top 2 in all of them.

Seems like a difficult argument for you to back up. I think if you allowed the NFL GMs to redraft the league for one season, and do it today, Tom Brady would be taken inside the top 5 quarterbacks. I think Rodgers clearly goes ahead of him, probably Murray and Mahomes as well. He's got a real shot to go 4th. Depends on the system, though. Some coaches would definitely want a guy who can run.

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/4/2021 6:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/4/2021 3:34:00 PM (view original):
(also yes it's fun to have spicy takes sometimes, sue me)

dino can't read, I said in my original post "Not a top 10 QB right now," this has always been my point

Last year Tom Brady was a top 10 QB by QBR, passer rating, PFF grade, adjusted net yards/attempt, and pretty much any other overall evaluator of quarterback performance.

So far this year he's top 2 in all of them.

Seems like a difficult argument for you to back up. I think if you allowed the NFL GMs to redraft the league for one season, and do it today, Tom Brady would be taken inside the top 5 quarterbacks. I think Rodgers clearly goes ahead of him, probably Murray and Mahomes as well. He's got a real shot to go 4th. Depends on the system, though. Some coaches would definitely want a guy who can run.

Yes... I agree.

In 2020 he rallied Tampa into the playoffs by winning 4 in a row. Played great in all 4 games.
in the playoffs he played great in 3 out of 4. No interceptions in 7 of his last 8 games,
in the game before the super bowl he had 3 TD and 3 picks and almost 400 yards and that I excluded from the 8. 7/8 .
In the game that got Joe Namath into the Hall he was spectacular.

Jetson= Dino

Is Brady the best QB now? No. Is he in the top 10 now? Probably. Here are the current QBs I'd rather have then Brady:
Mahomes, Murray, Herbert, Rodgers, Carr, Wilson, Jackson, Allen. Those are definite for me...possibly Stafford and Cousins and Tannehill and Prescott.

When Brady stops WINNING you let me know. Until then none of this talk matters whatsoever.

Posted by Jetson21 on 10/4/2021 4:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by lostnfound74 on 10/4/2021 7:02:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/4/2021 2:51:00 AM (view original):

• Luckiest QB in NFL history
• Not a top 10 QB right now
• Consistently wins games in which he plays terribly but gets all the credit
• Has a cult following that genuinely believes him to still be the best QB in the NFL without anything to back it up

Do we have a section for football? This forum is NON sports

This is the post.
Jetson reads perfect.
Not top 10 right now means 2021.
And last season on a brand new team leads team to super bowl. Most people believe that does mean something and they went from 7-9 to 11-5 and then won all those playoff games...first playoffs since 2007.
Two super bowl wins 2 years in a row and two different teams.

Brady improved the Jameis offense by around 4 PPG. For context, when Mahomes took over from Alex Smith a year after a near-MVP season from him he improved the Chiefs offense by 9 PPG.

Also, you're just flat wrong. Brady didn't win to SB's in a row. Mahomes got one in the middle, lmao

Posted by dahsdebater on 10/4/2021 6:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 10/4/2021 3:34:00 PM (view original):
(also yes it's fun to have spicy takes sometimes, sue me)

dino can't read, I said in my original post "Not a top 10 QB right now," this has always been my point

Last year Tom Brady was a top 10 QB by QBR, passer rating, PFF grade, adjusted net yards/attempt, and pretty much any other overall evaluator of quarterback performance.

So far this year he's top 2 in all of them.

Seems like a difficult argument for you to back up. I think if you allowed the NFL GMs to redraft the league for one season, and do it today, Tom Brady would be taken inside the top 5 quarterbacks. I think Rodgers clearly goes ahead of him, probably Murray and Mahomes as well. He's got a real shot to go 4th. Depends on the system, though. Some coaches would definitely want a guy who can run.

You're cherrypicking stats to make Brady look good and are flat wrong on Brady's stats this year.

Last year he ranked 9th in QBR, which is barely top 10. He did rank 8th in adjusted NET yards/attempt but in adjusted yards per attempt he was 10th. Adjusted net yards/attempt is a bad stat because sacks aren't always on the QB - Brady had an elite offensive line. When you compare pressures to sacks taken, guys like Mahomes are the best in the league because they can avoid sacks by running. Passer rating is an irrelevant stat but he was 9th in that. PFF grade is subjective and I could break down a bunch of reasons why it doesn't matter (namely, their grading system is faulty in a lot of ways). I'm also factoring that Brady was 16th in INT% and his adj y/a is only that high because QB touchdowns are overrated in the formula (QB touchdowns really don't matter as much as people think). Overall, brady was around the 8th-10th best QB in the NFL last year. When looking at this year, I factor in that he's 44 and the NFL has a bunch of young QB's that are only improving, and he's not top 10.

This year Brady is 12th in adj net yards per attempt, so not sure what you're looking at. He's 9th in QBR and 14th in passer rating. His adjusted yards per attempt is carried by a bunch of 1 yard touchdowns - his straight up yards per attempt (the best QB stat IMO) is 17th, which is disgusting. My take has been validated so far - he's not been a top 10 QB this year.

If the NFL did a one year draft, where Brady would go would depend on whether you're factoring his overall leadership (and luck) or just going off of pure QB play. Just on pure QB play, he's not going in the top 10. Factoring in leadership, he's top 5.

Posted by Jetson21 on 10/4/2021 6:36:00 PM (view original):
In 2020 he rallied Tampa into the playoffs by winning 4 in a row. Played great in all 4 games.
in the playoffs he played great in 3 out of 4. No interceptions in 7 of his last 8 games,
in the game before the super bowl he had 3 TD and 3 picks and almost 400 yards and that I excluded from the 8. 7/8 .
In the game that got Joe Namath into the Hall he was spectacular.

He had a laughable end of season schedule. Played good vs WFT, meh vs Saints, bad vs Packers and good vs Chiefs. Not super impressive.

Posted by wylie715 on 10/4/2021 8:59:00 PM (view original):
Is Brady the best QB now? No. Is he in the top 10 now? Probably. Here are the current QBs I'd rather have then Brady:
Mahomes, Murray, Herbert, Rodgers, Carr, Wilson, Jackson, Allen. Those are definite for me...possibly Stafford and Cousins and Tannehill and Prescott.

So at best you have Brady 9th, lmao. Looks like my take isn't that wild.

I'll easily take Mahomes, Kyler, Russ, Rodgers, Stafford, Lamar, Baker, Prescott, Tannehill, Herbert, and Allen over Brady. Carr, Cousins, Burrow are about where Brady is right now. He's a slightly above average QB who can win if he has an elite roster and some luck behind him, and he does.

Such wild and useless speculation by somebody who doesn't PLAY football.

It's just ridiculous to try and downgrade Brady as a QB by trying to claim "now" or at the moment.

In any game in which I was coach and I needed to win at all costs, for me, it's still Brady!

But a list of top QB's now (for me) would look something like:

1. J. Allen
2. M. Stafford
3. P. Mahomes
4. K. Murray
5. J. Herbert
6. T. Brady
7. D. Prescott
8. R. Wilson
9. A. Rodgers
10 D. Carr.

My top 5 are still learning/growing (except maybe Mahomes)
The bottom 5 are fading, some rather quickly.

You people are HIGH if you're buying into the Matt Stafford hype. Last week wasn't an anomaly, THAT'S the REAL Stafford. Career LOSER.

Hope you're right! And I'm hoping the K. Murray we've seen so far is real!

Posted by laramiebob on 10/5/2021 8:42:00 AM (view original):
Such wild and useless speculation by somebody who doesn't PLAY football.

It's just ridiculous to try and downgrade Brady as a QB by trying to claim "now" or at the moment.

In any game in which I was coach and I needed to win at all costs, for me, it's still Brady!

But a list of top QB's now (for me) would look something like:

1. J. Allen
2. M. Stafford
3. P. Mahomes
4. K. Murray
5. J. Herbert
6. T. Brady
7. D. Prescott
8. R. Wilson
9. A. Rodgers
10 D. Carr.

This list is just offensive. MAHOMES AT 3 BEHIND MATT STAFFORD AND JOSH ALLEN? Do you watch football? Russ at 8??????? Rodgers at 9??????

By the way, if you need to win, Mahomes has a higher career winning percentage than Brady and is more clutch than Brady.