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wylie715
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wish GG would go away
2/28/2022 12:07 AM
bagchucker
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so far Old Joe has done a pretty good job rallying the democracies

i heard Switzerland is locking up russian money, can you believe it



restoring frayed alliances

that is the prime foreign policy plank in bagchucker's platform

yes i give credit to trump demanding that europe pay more
2/28/2022 12:21 AM
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now the question is, when Bad Vlad put his nukes on high alert, what did Old Joe do

2/28/2022 12:22 AM
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I give Joe an A+ + so far.
2/28/2022 12:22 AM
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yes i give credit to trump demanding that europe pay more

This is a very common talking point, but it's actually not true!

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2021/6/pdf/210611-pr-2021-094-en.pdf
If you look at defense spending in NATO countries sans the US, it actually declined during the Trump admin (not in terms of total, but the rate of increase declined). In 2017, non-US NATO spending went up 5.9%. In 2019 and 2020, it was around 3.5%. In 2021, it went up to 4.1%.
2/28/2022 12:25 AM
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you're saying trump didn demand it

is that what you're saying

what are you saying

i say he demanded it and europe complied


European Union Military Spending/Defense Budget - Historical Data
Year Billions of US $ % of GDP
2019 $219.62B 1.42%
2018 $216.17B 1.36%
2017 $196.53B 1.34%
2016 $185.10B 1.34%
2015 $177.58B 1.31%
2014 $207.99B 1.33%
2013 $209.48B 1.37%
2012 $207.47B 1.42%
2011 $224.44B 1.43%
2010 $216.79B 1.49%
2009 $228.61B 1.56%
2008 $239.19B 1.47%
2007 $213.64B 1.45%
2006 $189.20B 1.49%
2005 $183.43B 1.54%
2004 $179.55B 1.58%
2003 $158.61B 1.60%
2002 $129.32B 1.61%
2001 $119.81B 1.62%
2000 $121.03B 1.64%
1999 $135.27B 1.68%
1998 $136.87B 1.68%
1997 $136.51B 1.74%
1996 $151.70B 1.77%
1995 $150.74B 1.80%
1994 $137.35B 1.85%
1993 $134.83B 1.96%
1992 $150.43B 2.10%
1991 $142.38B 2.21%
1990 $144.79B 2.54%
1989 $121.42B 2.58%
1988 $121.92B 2.62%
1987 $115.14B 2.72%
1986 $93.99B 2.66%
1985 $70.34B 2.73%
1984 $68.10B 2.79%
1983 $72.39B 2.89%
1982 $74.94B 2.92%
1981 $76.15B 2.95%
1980 $84.38B 2.89%
1979 $76.69B 2.91%
1978 $72.98B 2.96%
1977 $68.66B 2.95%
1976 $60.63B 2.98%
1975 $58.50B 3.11%
1974 $50.68B 3.09%
1973 $45.00B 3.02%
1972 $37.82B 3.08%
1971 $32.32B 3.04%
1970 $28.87B 3.03%
1969 $26.78B 3.06%
1968 $25.01B 3.29%
1967 $23.67B 3.33%
1966 $22.32B 3.38%
1965 $20.95B 3.39%
1964 $19.94B 3.50%
1963 $18.98B 3.59%
1962 $17.25B 3.76%
1961 $14.96B 3.73%
1960 $13.57B 3.82%
2/28/2022 2:42 AM
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it is just negligible one way or the other and how many and which countries paid more.
2/28/2022 2:57 AM
bagchucker
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from 3.8 in 1960 to 1.3 in 2015 is not negligible

i would call it substantial

2/28/2022 3:06 AM
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im saying from 2005 lets say it goes up a little comes down goes up and always stays in a relative range
2/28/2022 3:11 AM
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Trump did demand it, but the rate of increase declined as the Trump Presidency went on and it increased more when Biden took office.

From the Trump narrative, you would expect non-US NATO spending to increase more as he was in office and demanded more and decline when Biden took office. That's not what happened. It's actually the opposite.
2/28/2022 12:24 PM
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Let's invade RUSSIA

Turn the tables on the bastards..

trouble is, like in the Ukraine, most of the people killed would be joe normal citizen
2/28/2022 3:10 PM
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Posted by lostnfound74 on 2/28/2022 3:10:00 PM (view original):
Let's invade RUSSIA

Turn the tables on the bastards..

trouble is, like in the Ukraine, most of the people killed would be joe normal citizen
I humbly request that the nuclear bombs be deposited to your house and your house only.
2/28/2022 6:08 PM
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Posted by tangplay on 2/28/2022 6:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by lostnfound74 on 2/28/2022 3:10:00 PM (view original):
Let's invade RUSSIA

Turn the tables on the bastards..

trouble is, like in the Ukraine, most of the people killed would be joe normal citizen
I humbly request that the nuclear bombs be deposited to your house and your house only.
I don't normally say stuff like this, but MAN you are stupid!!!
2/28/2022 6:13 PM
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