Beernoser's Neighbor League Topic

This is a league that we've run a few times over the years. We are just finishing up the years 4 version so thought we'd see what kind of interest there is for a years 5 version.

The league is not a progressive league. It's just a one time shot that can be repeated. The rules are pretty complicated so it's probably not the right league for a beginner or someone with a passing interest in WIS. It's better for the hard core owner. So here are the complicated rules.

Standard 20 team league, four divisions, five teams per division, $ 80 million budget, no DH.

Your final roster will be constructed from combining the rosters of four real life teams from a pool of all major league teams that played in 1925, 35, 45, 55, 65, or 75. For instance, you could build your final roster from players from the 1975 Mets, 1965 Dodgers, 1925 A's and 1975 Reds. The rostering is not as simple as that. It is quite restrictive.

Once the season starts you can start a player at any position at which he has a WIS rating for that season. However on your final 25 man roster you must have exactly two players who have a primary position at catcher, 2 1B, 2 2B, 2 3B, 2 shortstops, 5 outfielders and 10 pitchers. You can tell what position a player counts as by rostering in a team, say the 1955 Brooklyn Dodgers you see Jackie Robinson as a third baseman. That means if he makes your final roster he will be one of your team's two third basemen. Once the season starts he can start at any position he has a WIS rating. Lucky you. Jackie has a WIS rating at 1B, 2B, and outfield in addition to he 3B primary rating. A guy like that is a very valuable guy in this league.

VERY IMPORTANT! We all have to be looking at the same information to make this league work. When you pick a team, you have to know who you get. Here's the only league approved way to do it. Look at a blank draft center page. See where it says 2015 Anaheim Angels? You can switch that to any team and any year. That's the only officially approved way to see who you get on your team. This is very important because there are two wrong ways to do it and people do it the wrong way every time and they make decisions thinking they have players they don't in fact have. One wrong way to do it is to go to baseball-reference.com nd look at the 1955 Dodgers. That will give you a different set of players than the approved method. The other wrong way id to go to a blank WIS draft center page and click on a blank SP/RP spot and ask to see the 1955 Dodgers pitchers. That will give you a wrong group of players also. Let's do an experiment. Ask WIS to call up the 1955 Dodgers the correct way by changing the 2015 Anaheim Angels to the 1955 Brooklyn Dodgers. Notice you get 12 pitchers. Now let's do it the wrong way. Go to a blank screen, pick an empty pitcher spot and ask to see the 1955 Dodger pitchers. Oops. There are 13 of them. Joe Black appears with 124 innings. If you do the roster the wrong way, you will think you have Joe Black for 124 innings when he is in fact not eligible. This is very important to get this right as people do it wrong every time.

On your final roster you must have 7 players from one of your four teams, and six from each of the other three. You can't have two versions of the same player on your final roster. For instance if you are using the 1945 Indianss and 1955 Indians, you can't roster both Bob Fellers. You can use one or none.

As soon as 24 owners are signed up you will be randomly assigned a draft order and division. The draft order goes 1-24, 1-24, 24-1, 24-1. Having an early pick in this draft is no particular advantage. Here's how the draft works.

Round One- Once your draft spot comes up you can pick any team from the available teams from 1925, 35, 45, 55, 65, 75. Once you pick a team, no one else can pick that same team. If you pick the 1975 Dodgers, no one else can use the 1975 Dodgers.

Round Two - One of your three division mates will be assigned the task of gifting you your second round team. He should look at your first round pick and find another team which meshes horribly with it. For instance let's say your first round pick was the 1965 Dodgers, great pitching but not much hitting. Maybe the 1975 Mets would be a bad match since they have Seaver, Koosman and Matlack but again, not much hitting. Maybe an even better match would be the WWII era 1945 Philadelphia Blue Jays who don't have a whole lot of pitching or hitting. They do have a few cheap backups that might help your budget though. Anyway, you get the idea. Your second round pick will be awarded to you by a division mate who will try to screw you over the best he can.

Round Three - A second owner within your division will be assigned the task of gifting you the third round team that he expects will give you the most grief.

Round Four - You get to choose your fourth round team that will make as much sense as you can out of the mess you have before you, knowing the dagger rounds are coming next.

First Dagger - The third owner of your division gets to throw two daggers at your roster pool/ He will look at your four teams and can throw a dagger at one player removing him from your player pool. Who to dagger? Your only leadoff batter? Your best power hitter? Your only cheap backup 1B? Your only shortstop with over 300 at bats? Your fourth starter who's a bargain at 2.1 million? The only guy who plays four different positions? The possibilities are a puzzle You might end up daggering someone who he wasn't planning on using anyway. IF your opponent has the 1955 and 1965 Mickey Mantles, daggering Mickey kills them both. The second dagger is to remove one of your four stadiums.

Final Dagger - The final team in your division gets to throw one final dagger. It doesn't hurt as much as the first one though. You get to name which of your four teams the dagger must hit.

I know this is complicated but we've run it many times over the years and it results in a very enjoyable draft. Prepare to do the research though as you'll pull your hair out trying to analyze your division mates teams before picking another team for them or daggering them I know it's complicated. It's a league for those who like complicated.
2/28/2023 11:49 PM (edited)
This is the draft order.

It is also the order in which teams will screw each other


NL East

1. kentol
2. BeAllEndAll
3. fatguyrd
4. razorclams
5. Just4me

NL West

6, seay00
7. eman7400
8. midknight
9. oldtimer59
10 summerfield

AL East

11. jpeterso
12 ermocito
13 _jwillis
14 redcped
15 beernoser

AL West

16 vilefileman
17 calhoop
18 jonstephen25
19 evil_twin
20 whalers 10
3/11/2023 4:20 PM (edited)
NL East

1. kentol.................45 Cubs........45 Blue Jays.........25 White Sox....35 Tigers
2. BeAllEndAll........75 Dodgers.....25 Red Sox,,,,,,,,45 White Sox....75 Orioles
3. fatguyrd..............75 Reds..........35 Braves..........25 Braves...........65 Tigers
4. razorclams..........65 Dodgers.....25 Cubs............45 Red Sox.......35 Cards
5. Just4me..............25 Phillies.......65 Mets.............65 Red Sox.......35 White Sox

NL West

6, seay00.....................25 Pitates...........75 Indians...............45 Braves......25 Robins
7. eman7400................55 Dodgers.......75 Brewers...............75 Rangers...75 Giants
8. midknight..................25 Senators.......65 Athletics.............75 Cubs.........75 Mets
9. oldtimer59.................35 Cubs............55 Orioles.................55 Yankees....55 Reds
10 summerfield..............25 Reds............35 Athletics...............75 Angels......25 giants

AL East

11. jpeterso...............................65 Giants.......75 Tigers.............75 Padres.........25 Tigers
12 ermocito...............................65 Reds..........45 Reds.............35 Reds.............55 Red Sox
13 _jwillis...................................65 Pirates.......35 Browns..........65 Astros...........55 Braves
14 redcped...............................75 Pirates........75 Braves..........45 Athletics........55 White Sox
15 beernoser............................35 Giants.........65 Senators........55 Athletics........55 Indians

AL West

16 vilefileman......................65 White Sox.....75 White Sox.......35 Dodgers.......25 Athletics
17 calhoop..........................45 Cardinals......55 Senators........35 Senators.......65 Angels
18 jonstephen25.................75 Athletics.......25 Indians...........35 Phillies..........35 Yankees
19 evil_twin.........................65 Twins...........75 Astros.............25 Cards............75 Phillies
20 whalers 10.....................65 Orioles.........55 Pirates............75 Expos.............65 Braves
3/22/2023 8:09 PM (edited)
Draft page

Round One

1. kentol Friday Match 10 8-10 am est .........................45 Chicago Cubs
2. BeAllEndAll 10-noon.................................................75 Los Angeles Dodgers
3. fatguyrd noon-2.........................................................75 Cicinnati Reds
4. razorclams 2-4...........................................................65 Los Angeles Dodgers
5. Just4me 4-6...............................................................25 Philadelphia Phillies
6, seay00 6-8.................................................................25 Pittsburgh Pirates
7. eman7400 8-10.........................................................55 Brooklyn Dodgers
8. midknight 10-midnight...............................................25 Washington Senators
9. oldtimer59 midnight - 10 am Saturday.......................35 Chicago Cubs
10 summerfield 10-noon................................................25 Cincinnati Reds
11. jpeterso noon-2.........................................................65 San Francisco Giants
12 ermocito 2-4...............................................................65 Cincinnati Reds
13 _jwillis 4-6..................................................................65 Pittsburgh Pirates
14 redcped 6-8...............................................................75 Pittsburgh PIrates
15 beernoser 8-10..........................................................35 New York Giants
16 vilefileman 19-midnight..............................................65 Chicago White Sox
17 calhoop midnight - 10 am Sunday..............................45 St. Louis Cardinals
18 jonstephen25 10-noon................................................75 Oakland Athletics
19 evil_twin10 noon-2.....................................................65 Minnesota Twins
20 whalers 10 2-4............................................................65 Baltimore Orioles

Round Two

This is the team being screwed, not the team screwing

1. kentol (screwed by BeAllEndAll) Sunday 4-7...................45 Philadelphia Blue Jays
2. BeAllEndAll (screwed by fatguyrd) 7-10..........................25 Boston Red Sox
3. fatguyrd (screwed by razorclams) 10- 8 am Monday.......35 Boston Braves
4. razorclams (screwed by Just4me) 8-11............................25 Chicago Cubs
5. Just4me (screwed by kentol) 11-2...................................65 New York Mets
6, seay00 (screwed by oldtimer) 2-5...................................75 Cleveland Indians
7. eman7400 (screwed by summerf) 5-8............................75 Milwaukee Brewers
8. midknight (screwed by seay) 8-11..................................65 Kansas City Athletics
9. oldtimer59 (screwed by eman) 11-8 am Tuesday...........55 Baltimore Orioles
10 summerfield (screwed by midknight) 11-2.....................35 Philadel[hia Athletics
11. jpeterso (screwed by redcped) 2-5...............................75 Detroit Tigers
12 ermocito (screwed by beernoser) 5-8............................45 Cincinnati Reds
13 _jwillis (screwed by jpeterso) 8-11................................35 St Louis Browns
14 redcped (screwed by ermo) 11 - 8 am Wednesday.......75 Atlanta Braves
15 beernoser (screwed by jwillis) 8-11...............................65 Washington Senators
16 vilefileman (screwed by calhoop) 11-2..........................75 Chicago White Sox
17 calhoop (screwed by jonstephen) 2-5...........................55 Washington Senators
18 jonstephen25 (screwed by evil_twin) 5-8......................25 Cleveland Indians
19 evil_twin (screwed by whalers) 8-11..............................75 Houston Astros
20 whalers 10 screwed by vilefileman) 11-8 am Thursday...55 Pittsburgh Pirates
3/16/2023 3:15 PM (edited)
Round Three

1. whalers10 (screwed by calhoop) Thusday 11-2...............75 Montreal Expos
2. evil_twin (screwed by vilefileman) 2-5..............................25 St Louis Cardinals
3. jonstephen25 (screwed by whalers) 5-8...........................35 Philadelphia Phillies
4. calhoop (screwed by evil_twin) 8-11.................................35 Washington Senators
5. vilefileman screwed by jonstephen) 11- 8 am Friday.........35 Brooklyn Dodgers
6. beernoser (screwed by redcped) 8-11...............................55 Kansas City Athletics
7. redcped (screwed by _jwillis) 11-2.....................................45 Philadelphia Athletics
8. _jwillis (screwed by ermocito) 2-5......................................65 Houston Astros
9. ermocito (screwed by jpeterso) 5-8....................................35 Cincinnati Reds
10 jpeterso (screwed by beernoser) 8-11................................75 San Diego Padres
11 Summerfield (screwed by oldtimer) 11-8am Saturday.......75 California Angels
12 oldtimer (screwed by midknight) 8-11...............................55 New York Yankees
13 midknight (screwed by eman) 11-2..................................75 Chicago Cubs
14 eman (screwed by Seay) 2-5...........................................75 Texas Rangers
15 seay00 (screwed by Summerfield) 5-8............................45 Boston Braves
16 Just4me (screwed by BeAll) 8-11...................................65 Boston Red Sox
17 razorclams (screwed by kenol) 11-8am Sunday............45 Boston Red Sox
18 fatguyrd (screwed by Just4) 8-11...................................25 Boston Braves
19 BeAllEndAll (screwed by razor) 11-2..............................45 Chicago White Sox
20 kentol (screwed by fatguy) 2-5.......................................25 Chicago White Sox

Round Four

1. whalers10...........................................65 Milwaukee Braves
2. evil_twin tuesdaym 8-10 am...............75 Philadelphia Phillies
3. jonstephen25 10-noon.......................35 New York Yankees
4. calhoop noon - 2pm...........................65 California Angels
5. vilefileman 2-4...................................25 Philadelphia Athletics
6. beernoser 4-6....................................25 Cleveland Indians
7. redcped 6-8......................................55 Chicago White Sox
8. _jwillis 8-10......................................55 Milwaukee Braves
9. ermocito 10-midnight.......................55 Boston Red Sox
10 jpeterso midnight - 8am wednesday....25 Detroit Tigers
11 Summerfield 8-10..................................25 New York Giants
12 oldtimer 10-noon..................................55 Cincinnati Reds
13 midknight noon-2.................................75 New York Mets
14 eman 2-4............................................75 San Fransisco Giants
15 seay00 4-6.........................................25 Brooklyn Robins
16 Just4me 6-8.......................................35 Chicago White Sox
17 razorclams 8-10..................................35 St Louis Cardinals
18 fatguyrd 10-midnight............................65 Detroit Tigers
19 BeAllEndAll midnight - 8 am thursday..75 Baltimore Orioles
20 kentol 8-10 10-noon.............................35 Detroit Tigers
3/22/2023 8:13 PM (edited)
1925

American League

Washington Senators 96 55..................................midknight (1)
Philadelphia Athletics 88 64...................................vilefileman (4)
St Louis Browns 82 71
Detroit Tigers 81 73...............................................jpeterso (4)
Chicago White Sox 79 75...................................kentol (3)
Cleveland Indians 70 84..................................Jonstephen (2)
New York Yankees 69 85..................................Jonstephen (4)
Boston Red Sox 47 105....................................BeAllEndAll (2)

National League

Pittsburgh Pirates 95 58....................................Seay00 (1)
New York Giants 86 66..................................Summerfield (4)
Cincinnati Reds 80 73.....................................Summerfield (1)
St Louis Cardinals 77 76................................evil_twin (2)
Boston Braves 70 83......................................fatguy (3)
Brooklyn Robins 68 85......................................Seay (4)
Philadelphia Phillies 68 85.....................................Just4me (1)
Chicago Cubs 68 86..............................................razorclams (2)


1935 Standings

American League

Detroit Tigers 93 58............................................kentol (4)
New York Yankees 89 60
Cleveland Indians 82 71
Boston Red Sox 78 75
Chicago White Sox 74 78.....................................just4 (4)
Washington Senators 67 86.................................calhoop (3)
St. Louis Browns 65 87......................................_Jwillis (2)
Philadelphia Athletics 58 91...............................Summerfield (2)

National League

Chicago Cubs 100 54.............................................Oldtimer (1)
St Louis Cardinals 96 58.......................................razorclams (4)
New York Giants 91 62...........................................beernoser (1)
Pittsburgh Pirates 86 67
Brooklyn Dodgers 70 83......................................vilefileman (3)
Cincinnati Reds 68 85.........................................ermocito (3)
Philadelphia Phillies 64 89....................................jonstephen (3)
Boston Braves 38 115...........................................fatguy (2)
3/22/2023 8:13 PM (edited)
1945 Standings

American League

Ddtroit Tigers 88 65
Washington Senators 87 67
St Louis Browns 81 70
New York Yankees 81 71
Cleveland Indians 73 72
Chicago White Sox 71 78.................................BeAll (3)
Boston Red Sox 71 83.......................................razor (3)
Philadelphia Athletics 52 98................................redcped (3)

National League

Chicago Cubs 98 56..................................kentol (1)
St Louis Cardinals 95 59...........................calhoop (1)
Brooklyn Dodgers 87 67
Pittsburgh Pirates 82 72
New York Giants 78 74
Boston Braves 67 85...................................Seay (3)
Cincinnati Reds 61 93.................................ermocito (2)
Philadelphia Blue Jays 46 108......................kentol (2)

1955 Standings

American League

New York Yankees 96 58............................oldtimer (3)
Cleveland Indians 93 61.............................beernoser (4)
Chicago White Sox 91 63............................redcped (4)
Boston Red Sox 84 70................................ermocito (4)
Detroit Tigers 79 75
Kansas City Athletics 63 91............................................beernoser (3)
Baltimore Orioles 57 97...................................................oldtimer (2)
Washington Senators 53 101..........................................calhoop (2)

National League

Brooklyn Dodgers 98 55...........................eman7400 (1)
Milwaukee Braves 85 69
New York Giants 80 74
Philadelphia Phillies 77 77
Cincinnati Redlegs 75 79............................Oldtimer (4)
Chicago Cubs 72 81
St Louis Cardinals 68 86
Pittsburgh Pirates 60 94............................whalers (2)
3/22/2023 12:56 AM (edited)
1965 Standings

American League

Minnesota Twins 102 60....................................evil_twin (1)
Chicago White Sox 95 67..................................vilefileman (1)
Baltimore Orioles 94 68.....................................whalers (1)
Detroit Tigers 89 73...........................................
Cleveland Indians 87 75
New York Yankees 77 85
California Angels 75 87.......................................calhoop (4)
Washington Senators 70 92.................................beernoser (2)
Boston Red Sox 62 100........................................Just4me (3)
Kansas City Athletics 59 103........................................midknight (2)

National League

Los Angeles Dosgers 97 65..............................................razorclams (1)
San Francisco Giants 95 67............................................jpeterso (1)
Pittsburgh Pirates 92 70.................................................._jwillis (1)
Cincinnati Reds 89 73.....................................................ermocito (1)
Milwaukee Braves 86 76.................................................whalers (4)
Philadelphia Phillies 85 76
St Louis Cardinals 80 81
Chicago Cubs 72 90
Houston Astros 65 97...................................................jwillis (3)
New York Mets 50 112.................................................Just4me (2)

1975 Standings

American League East

Boston Red Sox 95 65
Baltimore Orioles 90 69
New York Yankees 83 77
Cleveland Indians 79 80................................Seay00 (2)
Milwaukee Brewers 68 94.............................Eman (2)
Detroit Tigers 57 102.....................................Jpeterso (2)

American League West

Oakland Athletics 98 64...................................jonstephen (1)
Kansas City Royals 91 71
Texas Rangers 79 83.....................................eman (3)
Minnesota Twins 76 83
Chicago White Sox 75 86...............................vilefileman (2)
California Angels 72 89..................................Summerfield (3)

National League East

Pittsburgh Pirates 92 69..........................................redcped (1)
Philadelphia Phillies 86 76......................................evil-twin (4)
New York Mets 82 80..............................................midknight (4)
St Louis Cardinals 82 80
Chicago Cubs 75 87............................................midknight (3)
Montreal Expos 75 87..........................................whalers (3)

National League West

Cincinnati Reds 108 54..........................................fatguyrd (1)
Los Angeles Dodgers 88 74....................................BeAllEndAll (1)
San Francisco Giants 80 81...................................eman (4)
San Diego Padres 71 91.........................................jpeterso (3)
Atlanta Braves 67 94................................................redcped (2)
Houston Astros 64 97..............................................evil_twin (2)
3/22/2023 7:35 PM (edited)
First dagger round

1. kentol (daggered by razor)............................Ray Prim (P)................Shibe Field
2. BeAllEndAll daggered by Just4)....................Bobby Grich (2B)........Dodger Stadium
3. fatguyrd (daggered by kentol)........................Johnny Bench (C)......Braves Field
4. razorclams (daggered by BeAll).....................Claude Osteen (P) ......Dodger Stadium
5. Just4me (daggered by fatguy)........................Luke Appling (SS).........Shea Stadium
6, seay00 (daggered by eman).....................Dazzy Vance (P).............Cleveland Stadium
7. eman7400 (daggered by midknight)...........Roy Campanella (C)..........Ebbetts Field
8. midknight (daggered by oldtimer)...............Goose Goslin (OF)...............Shea Stadium
9. oldtimer59 (daggered by Summerfield).......Whitey Ford (P) ..................Memorial Stadium
10 summerfield daggered by Seay)................Dolf Luque (P)...................Anaheim Stadium
11. jpeterso (daggered by ermocito)...............Willie McCovey (1b)..........San Diego Stadium
12 ermocito (daggered by _jwillis)...................Jim Maloney (P)..................Crosley Field
13 _jwillis (daggered by redcped)...................Vern Law (P)....................Astrodome
14 redcped (daggered by beernoser)................Willie Stargell (1B) .......Comiskey Park
15 beernoser (daggered by jpeterso).................Pete Richert (P)...........Cleveland Stadium
16 vilefileman (daggered by evil_twin).............Watty Clark (P)..............Comiskey Park
17 calhoop (daggered by whalers)...................Bob Lee (P)...................Dodger Stadium
18 jonstephen25 daggered by vilefile)............Red Rolfe (3B)...............Oakland Coliseum
19 evil_twin (daggered by calhoop).................Jim Bottomley (1B).......Astrodome
20 whalers 10 (daggered by jonstephen).........Bob Friend (P)................Jarry Park
3/25/2023 2:16 AM (edited)
Second dagger round

1. kentol (daggered by Just4)....................Andy Karl (P)
2. BeAllEndAll (daggered by kentol)............Billy Rogell (2B)
3. fatguyrd (daggered by BeAll).....................Larry Benton (P)
4. razorclams (daggered by fatguy)..................Gabby Hartnett (C)
5. Just4me (daggered by razor).....................Jack Fisher (P)
6, seay00 (daggered by midknight)..................Jack Fournier (1B)
7. eman7400 (daggered by oldtimer)................Duke Snider (OF)
8. midknight (daggered by Summerfield)............Jack Aker (P)
9. oldtimer59 (daggered by Seay)..................George Zuverink (P)
10 summerfield (daggered by eman).............Bob Johnson (OF)
11. jpeterso (daggered by _jwillis)...................John Hiller (P)
12 ermocito (daggered by redcped)....................Kermit Wahl (2B)
13 _jwillis (daggered by beernoser)....................Tommy Heath (C)
14 redcped (daggered by jpeterso)......................Phil Niekro (P)
15 beernoser (daggered by ermocito)................Frank Howard (OF)
16 vilefileman (daggered by whalers)................Mickey Cochrane (C)
17 calhoop (daggered by vilefile).......................Pedro Ramos (P)
18 jonstephen25 (daggered by calhoop).............Syl Johnson (P)
19 evil_twin (daggered by jonstephen)................Earl Battey (c)
20 whalers 10 (daggerd by evil_twin)..................Steve Rogers (P)
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