How does the sim define save situations? Topic

Posted by redwingscup on 3/10/2023 11:16:00 AM (view original):
I've used guys like the 112 IP Toney and 119IP Nehf as three inning closers. Set them as available in the 7th inning, mark the use closer in save situation only, and they do as intended.
You leave the pinch hit for option off in the advanced settings right? That’s the only way they’ll be able to pitch 3 innings in most cases.
3/10/2023 3:04 PM
Posted by ML_dad on 3/10/2023 3:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by redwingscup on 3/10/2023 11:16:00 AM (view original):
I've used guys like the 112 IP Toney and 119IP Nehf as three inning closers. Set them as available in the 7th inning, mark the use closer in save situation only, and they do as intended.
You leave the pinch hit for option off in the advanced settings right? That’s the only way they’ll be able to pitch 3 innings in most cases.
always, and sometimes I have to reset them to only pitch two innings (or even one) as using those guys for 3 innings means setting pitch counts at ~40. It takes management, but I can usually get 60-70 quality relief appearances from the Toney/Nehf/Steele type closer. I even won a championship (forget the league cap) using the 125IP Cy Morgan in that role.
3/10/2023 4:20 PM
Posted by fatguyrd on 3/10/2023 1:17:00 PM (view original):
I just got an unintentional 3 inning save from a mop up pitcher.
LOL, those are fun, albeit unplanned for, surprises.
3/10/2023 4:21 PM
3/11/2023 7:08 AM
Posted by 06gsp on 3/11/2023 7:08:00 AM (view original):
we got a 3 inning save from Kershaw

https://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscore.aspx?gid=41051692&pid=1&pbp=0&tf=10
I miss three-inning saves. When relief pitchers were really relief pitchers.
3/11/2023 11:04 AM
Interesting article here on the history of saves, with a specific section on the 3-inning save, and when it went into decline:

There was never a time where the three-inning save was a common occurrence, but it happened far more frequently in the 1970s and 1980s than it does today. Notably, Rollie Fingers, who saved 341 games in his major league career, pitched three or more innings in 36 of those saves; 18 of those 36 were saves solely based on the innings rule — not because he protected a tight lead. Meanwhile, Goose Gossage went three-plus innings in 23 of his 310 career saves, and he earned 11 of those saves because of innings pitched (which would put him at 299 if the rule were ever amended).

However, in recent times, they have become ultra-rare. In 1977, there were 180 of them in the 26 team league, according to SB Nation. By 2010, there were only four in the entire season.

One reason for this decline is because of Tony La Russa’s use of Hall of Fame closer Dennis Eckersley with the Oakland Athletics in 1988, according to the Washington Post. Of the 60 times Eckersley pitched that season, he entered only one game in which his team trailed. Only 11 of his 60 appearances were 2.0 innings or more, although none lasted three innings or more.

The strategy worked out well for the Athletics, who would make it to the World Series that season. Although the A’s fell to the Los Angeles Dodgers in the fall classic, Eckersley was the runner up for the American League Cy Young Award and finished fifth in the MVP voting — something which did not go unnoticed by other teams across the majors.

From 1988 to 1990, the number of three-inning saves went from 110 to 50, as SB Nation points out.

3/11/2023 1:44 PM
Pitcher Role % G W-L SV IP ERA OAV WHIP K/9 BB/9 Salary
Ted Breitenstein '96 (L) 100 30 1-0 8


Save #8 = 3 innings. 1-0-8 from a mop up!
3/12/2023 8:49 AM
I like that one of the most lopsided games in history involved a save as the Rangers won 30-3: https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BAL/BAL200708221.shtml
3/12/2023 9:23 AM
No position players used by Baltimore, either. Four real pitchers gave up those 30 runs.
3/12/2023 11:40 AM
That save is bizarre, but it was 5-3 in the sixth when the pitcher who got it came in to pitch it seems. So, weird but, I guess, legit.
3/12/2023 1:28 PM
Posted by italyprof on 3/12/2023 1:28:00 PM (view original):
That save is bizarre, but it was 5-3 in the sixth when the pitcher who got it came in to pitch it seems. So, weird but, I guess, legit.
The score doesn’t matter if he pitches the final 3+ innings.
3/12/2023 2:29 PM
Here's one that occurred in one my leagues this week. It's a 3-inning save in which the reliever allowed 10 runs!
Jeremy Jeffress, SV (6) 100 3.0 11 10 10 4 2 1 84 7.75

https://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscore.aspx?gid=41074940&pid=1&pbp=0&tf=1
3/15/2023 2:36 PM
Here's a fascinating one from real life...a six-inning save:

https://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1917/B05260SLA1917.htm
3/15/2023 2:40 PM
Posted by contrarian23 on 3/15/2023 2:40:00 PM (view original):
Here's a fascinating one from real life...a six-inning save:

https://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1917/B05260SLA1917.htm
I don't know what the rule was at the time since saves weren't a stat yet, but the official scorer certainly should have had the discretion to give that win to Shore. That's a really strange scoring decision frankly.
3/16/2023 2:49 PM
About halfway through the season, DeGrom has a 3 inning save and four 2 1/3 inning saves. He is available to enter the game in the 7th inning and only in save situations.

https://www.whatifsports.com/mlb-l/playerprofile_log.asp?id=50751970&view=0&pl=False
4/16/2023 8:11 AM
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