Norman Powell
Bojan Bogdanovic

So I drafted Green assuming he could play PF but he is only 97% there. That makes NO sense. And now all the big men are gone.

I am going with

Harrison Barnes
and
Shake Milton

sm help???

i got you

Posted by samuelyork93 on 9/6/2023 11:24:00 AM (view original):
So I drafted Green assuming he could play PF but he is only 97% there. That makes NO sense. And now all the big men are gone.

I am going with

Harrison Barnes
and
Shake Milton

sm help???

That one is especially nuts. I mean, their most common starting lineup was Steph / Klay / Wiggins or Donte / Draymond / Looney. Even if we're calling Looney a center now (lol), how the f*** is Draymond not at least a valid 4? Shouldn't even be a 1/2. No sense at all.

Posted by raggedclaws on 9/6/2023 12:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by samuelyork93 on 9/6/2023 11:24:00 AM (view original):
So I drafted Green assuming he could play PF but he is only 97% there. That makes NO sense. And now all the big men are gone.

I am going with

Harrison Barnes
and
Shake Milton

sm help???

That one is especially nuts. I mean, their most common starting lineup was Steph / Klay / Wiggins or Donte / Draymond / Looney. Even if we're calling Looney a center now (lol), how the f*** is Draymond not at least a valid 4? Shouldn't even be a 1/2. No sense at all.

I have a pretty good theory on why and I am not sure I blame them too much for it. For the longest time they had a stable data provider and that data provider had position data. A while after they got bought by Sportshub, they changed their data provider, I am guessing to cut costs (people like BBR got real expensive). I am guessing the new provider does not provide position data. To deal with that, I think they probably built a simple model using the historical players' positions in the database with height, weight, maybe blocks, steals, some other stats, whatever to generate a position generating formula. Unfortunately, the last several years, players have gotten smaller, shoot more threes, etc. than historically so a model based on the historic database is going to generate players lower on the positional scale. However, building a model entirely from scratch is a pretty big undertaking, which is why you don't see it done on other websites... and changing to a bigger data provider is probably pretty damn expensive for what is a pretty small userbase.

It is not an enviable position to be in if my theory is correct.

If you look at the 21-22 Golden State Warriors, they have zero players listed as a center or power forward. Did they win the NBA title playing 3 on 5?

We really should request that WIS fix this issue.

Posted by robusk on 9/6/2023 12:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raggedclaws on 9/6/2023 12:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by samuelyork93 on 9/6/2023 11:24:00 AM (view original):
So I drafted Green assuming he could play PF but he is only 97% there. That makes NO sense. And now all the big men are gone.

I am going with

Harrison Barnes
and
Shake Milton

sm help???

That one is especially nuts. I mean, their most common starting lineup was Steph / Klay / Wiggins or Donte / Draymond / Looney. Even if we're calling Looney a center now (lol), how the f*** is Draymond not at least a valid 4? Shouldn't even be a 1/2. No sense at all.

I have a pretty good theory on why and I am not sure I blame them too much for it. For the longest time they had a stable data provider and that data provider had position data. A while after they got bought by Sportshub, they changed their data provider, I am guessing to cut costs (people like BBR got real expensive). I am guessing the new provider does not provide position data. To deal with that, I think they probably built a simple model using the historical players' positions in the database with height, weight, maybe blocks, steals, some other stats, whatever to generate a position generating formula. Unfortunately, the last several years, players have gotten smaller, shoot more threes, etc. than historically so a model based on the historic database is going to generate players lower on the positional scale. However, building a model entirely from scratch is a pretty big undertaking, which is why you don't see it done on other websites... and changing to a bigger data provider is probably pretty damn expensive for what is a pretty small userbase.

It is not an enviable position to be in if my theory is correct.

Or they could have someone spend an afternoon looking at NBA rosters and see how teams have their players classified. Then correct the mistakes. It shouldn’t take a UNIVAC to fix this, just a little effort and some common sense.

Posted by Midge on 9/6/2023 1:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 9/6/2023 12:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raggedclaws on 9/6/2023 12:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by samuelyork93 on 9/6/2023 11:24:00 AM (view original):
So I drafted Green assuming he could play PF but he is only 97% there. That makes NO sense. And now all the big men are gone.

I am going with

Harrison Barnes
and
Shake Milton

sm help???

That one is especially nuts. I mean, their most common starting lineup was Steph / Klay / Wiggins or Donte / Draymond / Looney. Even if we're calling Looney a center now (lol), how the f*** is Draymond not at least a valid 4? Shouldn't even be a 1/2. No sense at all.

I have a pretty good theory on why and I am not sure I blame them too much for it. For the longest time they had a stable data provider and that data provider had position data. A while after they got bought by Sportshub, they changed their data provider, I am guessing to cut costs (people like BBR got real expensive). I am guessing the new provider does not provide position data. To deal with that, I think they probably built a simple model using the historical players' positions in the database with height, weight, maybe blocks, steals, some other stats, whatever to generate a position generating formula. Unfortunately, the last several years, players have gotten smaller, shoot more threes, etc. than historically so a model based on the historic database is going to generate players lower on the positional scale. However, building a model entirely from scratch is a pretty big undertaking, which is why you don't see it done on other websites... and changing to a bigger data provider is probably pretty damn expensive for what is a pretty small userbase.

It is not an enviable position to be in if my theory is correct.

Or they could have someone spend an afternoon looking at NBA rosters and see how teams have their players classified. Then correct the mistakes. It shouldn’t take a UNIVAC to fix this, just a little effort and some common sense.

Building processes around qualitative assessments is objectively stupid.

Marcus Morris
De’Andre Hunter

Robert Covington
Matisse Thybulle

Posted by robusk on 9/6/2023 1:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Midge on 9/6/2023 1:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 9/6/2023 12:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raggedclaws on 9/6/2023 12:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by samuelyork93 on 9/6/2023 11:24:00 AM (view original):
So I drafted Green assuming he could play PF but he is only 97% there. That makes NO sense. And now all the big men are gone.

I am going with

Harrison Barnes
and
Shake Milton

sm help???

That one is especially nuts. I mean, their most common starting lineup was Steph / Klay / Wiggins or Donte / Draymond / Looney. Even if we're calling Looney a center now (lol), how the f*** is Draymond not at least a valid 4? Shouldn't even be a 1/2. No sense at all.

I have a pretty good theory on why and I am not sure I blame them too much for it. For the longest time they had a stable data provider and that data provider had position data. A while after they got bought by Sportshub, they changed their data provider, I am guessing to cut costs (people like BBR got real expensive). I am guessing the new provider does not provide position data. To deal with that, I think they probably built a simple model using the historical players' positions in the database with height, weight, maybe blocks, steals, some other stats, whatever to generate a position generating formula. Unfortunately, the last several years, players have gotten smaller, shoot more threes, etc. than historically so a model based on the historic database is going to generate players lower on the positional scale. However, building a model entirely from scratch is a pretty big undertaking, which is why you don't see it done on other websites... and changing to a bigger data provider is probably pretty damn expensive for what is a pretty small userbase.

It is not an enviable position to be in if my theory is correct.

Or they could have someone spend an afternoon looking at NBA rosters and see how teams have their players classified. Then correct the mistakes. It shouldn’t take a UNIVAC to fix this, just a little effort and some common sense.

Building processes around qualitative assessments is objectively stupid.

What is crazy is how you guys have Looney slotted as a C here when we all know he is a SG.

Posted by robusk on 9/6/2023 1:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Midge on 9/6/2023 1:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 9/6/2023 12:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by raggedclaws on 9/6/2023 12:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by samuelyork93 on 9/6/2023 11:24:00 AM (view original):
So I drafted Green assuming he could play PF but he is only 97% there. That makes NO sense. And now all the big men are gone.

I am going with

Harrison Barnes
and
Shake Milton

sm help???

That one is especially nuts. I mean, their most common starting lineup was Steph / Klay / Wiggins or Donte / Draymond / Looney. Even if we're calling Looney a center now (lol), how the f*** is Draymond not at least a valid 4? Shouldn't even be a 1/2. No sense at all.

I have a pretty good theory on why and I am not sure I blame them too much for it. For the longest time they had a stable data provider and that data provider had position data. A while after they got bought by Sportshub, they changed their data provider, I am guessing to cut costs (people like BBR got real expensive). I am guessing the new provider does not provide position data. To deal with that, I think they probably built a simple model using the historical players' positions in the database with height, weight, maybe blocks, steals, some other stats, whatever to generate a position generating formula. Unfortunately, the last several years, players have gotten smaller, shoot more threes, etc. than historically so a model based on the historic database is going to generate players lower on the positional scale. However, building a model entirely from scratch is a pretty big undertaking, which is why you don't see it done on other websites... and changing to a bigger data provider is probably pretty damn expensive for what is a pretty small userbase.

It is not an enviable position to be in if my theory is correct.

Or they could have someone spend an afternoon looking at NBA rosters and see how teams have their players classified. Then correct the mistakes. It shouldn’t take a UNIVAC to fix this, just a little effort and some common sense.

Building processes around qualitative assessments is objectively stupid.

Expecting people to pay money for broken systems is even more stupid.

I think if someone started a thread, we could all collaborate on a list of player positions that need to be fixed. I'm guessing if we submitted a list to WIS that they could manage to get it updated. They did it with the defensive ratings based on feedback provided. Anyone interested?

I personally need about 2 of my PGs reclassified as centers for this league.