Jcred5’s Stripes

Damian Lillard 22-23- 2.9

Sidney Moncrief 82-83- 5

Daniel Gafford 23-24- 7

Amare Stoudamire 07-08- 6.1

Wilt Chamberlain 66-67- 24.9

Onyeka Okongwu 22-23- 5.5

Gary Payton 21-22- 3.2

Payton Pritchard 21-22- 0.6

Nick Richards 24-25- 2.6

Jordan Hill 11-12- 1.1

Baron Davis 10-11- 0.4

Ben Simmons 24-25- 0.7

York Score- 60

There it is. My validation that the York score isn’t 100% bogus. With a score of 60 (the ideal score to be above by my metric) Jcred5 is, at the time of this eval, tied for first in the overall standings. If you notice Wilt’s crazy high Dork score, no one else comes close. The closest is either another Wilt season or Dennis Rodman with a score of 18. By that logic I would never NOT pick Wilt number 1, but it happened and has happened before so you landed him with pick number 2. The team built around Wilt is unorthodox but appears to be working. Your cumulative usage of your starters in 121 which is way higher than what I would recommend because it takes shots away from your efficient scorers. HOWEVER, your low usage guys are your most efficient scorers SO it might be better that way. Idk if that was by design and I never thought to do that. Your turnovers are super high as a result but your shooting efficiency seems to make up for it. Gafford is stupid efficient and Okongwu is a good back up as Gafford doesn’t have a lot of minutes. Something else I am noticing is a flaw in my own team building. I try to make sure to always have over 60 Assist% but I am beginning to think over 60 for the starters and over 50 for the bench. Might be worth it get better in other stats like you have done here. Overall well done, I do not think that a lot of owners would think to use the player combinations you have, I certainly wouldn’t have but it is paying you back in spades. I think you have a true title contender on your hands. The only thing about your team that has me concerned is your turnovers. You have been overcoming them in the regular season and I hope they aren’t your undoing come playoff/Championship time. While you are 4th in turnovers, the other top team is has the 2nd least. Good luck the rest of the way!

PS….HOW DID I NOT NOTICE 21-22 PAYTON PRITCHARD SHOOTS 100% FROM THE FREE THROW LINE. THAT IS INSANE…..

52 Pickup - dBKC

Preseason Review:

"AD, Dr. J, DeWhite, Camby, Horford, Drexler, BrWright---VERY nice job. Dr. J is a great player but you have to pick the right season for the team you have and I am not an expert at doing that, but I have noticed that with him and Pippen. The trick is selecting the right season and there's so many good ones, it's hard. Horford's 80D SF season is nice but you have to make sure you don't come up light on OREBs. Haven't looked at your full team but this draft was spot on. Draft Grade: A Prediction: chip contender"

Midseason Review:

While I like a lot of these players individually, I didn't love this draft. Like 24k, dB leaned hard into "clean" defensively-oriented guys. Getting 2 A+ defenders early was a missed opportunity to draft offensive studs in later rounds. It also seemed early for White, who has limited impact outside of 3s and D. Horford was nice as a low-usage source of assists, but depending on the chosen subs the offense could struggle at times.

The Pickup have been rough so far (-4 point differential), especially offensively, but have been trending up recently. They are losing the shooting battle with 49.5% eFG compared to their opponents at 52.3%. Using Dirk alongside 75-76 Dr. J is pretty questionable, since they're both below average on shooting efficiency. 81-82 Dr. J would've given you a needed scoring boost with 54.7 eFG%. Team free throw offense is above average, but not enough so to make up for the poor shooting. The turnover advantage (-2.7 differential) you get from Dirk and Dr. J is overshadowed by a big rebounding deficit (-6.8 differential). I don't think Dirk is really viable in the 52, the shooting and rebounding weaknesses are a lot to overcome. This team has a chance to sneak into the playoffs, but is most likely a first round exit. Rifton is 0/2 on reviews of the Central division, stay tuned to see if he can do better...

Why start Larry Nance Jr? Is it because he allows your starters to have over 60 assist% or because he is a better rebounder than other options at both? I am just curious. Who plays all the other minutes?

Larry Nance Jr. plays 15 minutes, Jordan Bell plays 9 minutes, Otto Porter plays 15 minutes, and Jaylin Williams plays 9 minutes.

Posted by samuelyork93 on 6/9/2025 1:06:00 PM (view original):

Bird’s Tablets

Gary Payton 94-95- 4.9

Mikal Bridges 24-25- 3.2

Larry Bird 86-87- 8.6

Moses Malone 82-83- 10.9

Pau Gasol 14-15- 9.1

Jaden McDaniels 22-23- 1.1

Caldwell Jones 82-83- 3.4

James Johnson 19-20- 0.6

Art Long 02-03- -0.2

Dru Smith 24-25- 0.3

Lindsey Hunter 07-08- -0.3

York Score- 41.6


So, looking at your team, I have several thoughts. Obviously, this team hasn't gone the way you like, and I have some ideas that might help you improve in the future. First, I don't think you picked the optimum team for who you drafted. For my starters I would of had: 99-00 Gary Payton, 21-22 or 20-21 Mikal Bridges, 84-85, 86-87, or 87-88 Larry Bird, 78-79 Moses Malone, and either 10-11, 08-09, or 14-15 Pau Gasol. I would also have an entirely different bench. Your current team has too much usage from the starters for my tastes. Too high usage takes shots away from efficient scorers like Bird. I try not to have over 115 usage on the floor at any time if I have an efficient scorer. Higher usage often times means more turnovers, especially if your high usage players don't have low To%. Your defense rebounding is also very low for this cap. I would never let it go below 90, especially from my starters. Defense is functional though, and your offensive rebounding is ok, but your Def rebounding could use some higher numbers. The biggest glaring struggle I see is your usage penalties and assists. Your starters have no problems but when your bench comes out it looks like to me you are hitting the usage penalty big time. Even worse though, is the low assists you have on the floor at times. From what I can see your starters cumulative assist% is 69.1 which is good. No penalty there. However, looking at your bench, there is probably times where your team is going to have a cumulative assist% of 36, which is going to have a major impact on your FG%. I feel like I have dogged on your team this whole time but keep in mind this is just my opinion and the criticism is all meant to be constructive. If I was you I would avoid building a team like this again. My advice for future teams? Prioritize eFG, Rebounding, and Def over everything else. Just make sure you have 50 assist% (if running up tempo) or 60% to make sure you never see a drop in FG%. Also, make sure you have your bench players mimic the usage of the starters they play behind. For example, IF you are using that Pau Gasol with (24.7 usage) try to have the players who play behind him be in a similar usage range (22.1-27.1), with the higher cap in this league you can afford to have the extra usage coming off the bench. On a positive note I actually like your starters and they had the potential to possibly compete with the right bench. Unfortunately I think this team may continue to ride the bottom of the standings :(.

Great info..and yes my bench is killing me....

Posted by samuelyork93 on 6/9/2025 4:54:00 PM (view original):

Jcred5’s Stripes

Damian Lillard 22-23- 2.9

Sidney Moncrief 82-83- 5

Daniel Gafford 23-24- 7

Amare Stoudamire 07-08- 6.1

Wilt Chamberlain 66-67- 24.9

Onyeka Okongwu 22-23- 5.5

Gary Payton 21-22- 3.2

Payton Pritchard 21-22- 0.6

Nick Richards 24-25- 2.6

Jordan Hill 11-12- 1.1

Baron Davis 10-11- 0.4

Ben Simmons 24-25- 0.7

York Score- 60

There it is. My validation that the York score isn’t 100% bogus. With a score of 60 (the ideal score to be above by my metric) Jcred5 is, at the time of this eval, tied for first in the overall standings. If you notice Wilt’s crazy high Dork score, no one else comes close. The closest is either another Wilt season or Dennis Rodman with a score of 18. By that logic I would never NOT pick Wilt number 1, but it happened and has happened before so you landed him with pick number 2. The team built around Wilt is unorthodox but appears to be working. Your cumulative usage of your starters in 121 which is way higher than what I would recommend because it takes shots away from your efficient scorers. HOWEVER, your low usage guys are your most efficient scorers SO it might be better that way. Idk if that was by design and I never thought to do that. Your turnovers are super high as a result but your shooting efficiency seems to make up for it. Gafford is stupid efficient and Okongwu is a good back up as Gafford doesn’t have a lot of minutes. Something else I am noticing is a flaw in my own team building. I try to make sure to always have over 60 Assist% but I am beginning to think over 60 for the starters and over 50 for the bench. Might be worth it get better in other stats like you have done here. Overall well done, I do not think that a lot of owners would think to use the player combinations you have, I certainly wouldn’t have but it is paying you back in spades. I think you have a true title contender on your hands. The only thing about your team that has me concerned is your turnovers. You have been overcoming them in the regular season and I hope they aren’t your undoing come playoff/Championship time. While you are 4th in turnovers, the other top team is has the 2nd least. Good luck the rest of the way!

PS….HOW DID I NOT NOTICE 21-22 PAYTON PRITCHARD SHOOTS 100% FROM THE FREE THROW LINE. THAT IS INSANE…..

Thanks for sharing. Would be interested in this york score.Rodman with 18, I guess you don't get penalized much by lack of usage? He's pretty close to a a zero offensively, except for the Oreb.

I have been going higher usage teams when possible recently, with mixed success. Not that it's a high priority, but if it's available I grab it. In this case it was about putting high FT% and FTrate guys with Wilt. Lillard and Amare were drafted specifically to address that. And I punted on Ben Simmons and wasted that draft pick when I realized it would be too many missed FTA.

"Would be interested in this york score.Rodman with 18, I guess you don't get penalized much by lack of usage? He's pretty close to a a zero offensively, except for the Oreb."

Usage in the York score is based on your usage-eFG ratio. The formula for the eFG% of the score is (Players eFG-50)×2(usage/100). So for Rodman the would be (56.4-50)x2(11.1/100) which results in a total of 1.4. So yeah his offense doesn't contribute much.

His rebounding on the other hand is another story. The formula for rebounding is (Players TReb%-20)/2. So for Rodman that would be [(17.1+31.6) -20] /2 which results in a total of 14.4. This number is added to the results of formulas for eFG, TRB%, Ast%, TOP48, FP48, and Def rating. That number is then multipled by MPG/48. Rebounders have the most point potential with the York score and Rodman plays a lot of minutes thus resulting in him having a crazy score.

Because the rebounding skews the numbers so much I like to compare scores by position. The best players by position they can play are
PG- LeBron James 12-13 (13.7 score)
SG- Lebron James 12-13
SF- Rodman 91-92 (18.6 score)
PF- Rodman 91-92
C- Wilt Chamberlain 66-67 (24.9 score)

I will also say I do not use the score as a team building tool. It's an evaluation tool. So if I make a team I will calculate the team score and if it isn't up to snuff according to the score I go back to the drawing board.

Posted by samuelyork93 on 6/12/2025 5:53:00 AM (view original):
"Would be interested in this york score.Rodman with 18, I guess you don't get penalized much by lack of usage? He's pretty close to a a zero offensively, except for the Oreb."

Usage in the York score is based on your usage-eFG ratio. The formula for the eFG% of the score is (Players eFG-50)×2(usage/100). So for Rodman the would be (56.4-50)x2(11.1/100) which results in a total of 1.4. So yeah his offense doesn't contribute much.

His rebounding on the other hand is another story. The formula for rebounding is (Players TReb%-20)/2. So for Rodman that would be [(17.1+31.6) -20] /2 which results in a total of 14.4. This number is added to the results of formulas for eFG, TRB%, Ast%, TOP48, FP48, and Def rating. That number is then multipled by MPG/48. Rebounders have the most point potential with the York score and Rodman plays a lot of minutes thus resulting in him having a crazy score.

Because the rebounding skews the numbers so much I like to compare scores by position. The best players by position they can play are
PG- LeBron James 12-13 (13.7 score)
SG- Lebron James 12-13
SF- Rodman 91-92 (18.6 score)
PF- Rodman 91-92
C- Wilt Chamberlain 66-67 (24.9 score)

I will also say I do not use the score as a team building tool. It's an evaluation tool. So if I make a team I will calculate the team score and if it isn't up to snuff according to the score I go back to the drawing board.

Thanks for sharing. Do you change the base value for rebounding by position? So that Rodman season is probably SF and with your -20 you could say 20creb is about average for a SF. Do you lower that for guards and increase for FC? I do that to help with the position assessments and team build. So a player who has creb of 17 would score low on that formula, but if they're a PG that's a pretty solid rebounder.

I don't change the base value I just compare guards to other guards. Changing the base value wouldn't do anything but change the total number not the difference between the two players I would be comparing. At least if I understand what your saying.

In order to get plus numbers in rebounds you have to have over 20 TREB% no matter your position. Again, I use it as a player comparison tool and evaluation tool. I keep the baseline the same for everyone to give a sense of how good the team is as a whole when you combine every players score together.

Evil Alice and The Wet Sammich - berkelon
I don't understand this team name and it frightens me

Preseason Review:

"SGA, Embiid, T. Chandler, Marion, Nash, Dale Davis, Melton-----Bravo! A master class in drafting for the $52, except for just one piece. Listen, I like Nash and have no problem with him being drafted in the 5th round or later. But SGA is your PG. He is a cheat code. He frees you up to go a little lighter on D at the SG position. (this will sound crazy, but I'd rather see you take a Ray Allen-type here than Nash) Klay T was available as were: CJ McCollum, Jalen Wms, etc...personally, this was a perfect spot to take Bob McAdoo. He could back up Embiid and T. Chandler. SGA, Embiid, T.Chandler, Marion, McAdoo, Beal, Melton = Chip contender Draft Grade: B++ Prediction: Playoffs for sure."

Midseason Review:

Like Rifton, I was mostly a fan of this draft. SGA is amazing and gives lots of flexibility with teambuilding. I would prefer a player with more minutes and less usage than Embiid to pair with Shai, but a reasonable pick. Chandler and Marion are awesome role players to round out your starting 5. Rifton was also on the mark about Nash, I wouldn't go for him in that spot. I feel that the assists you get from him only outweigh the impact of his turnovers when he will be your only volume playmaker. Maybe McAdoo would've been nice here...

Alice + Sammich are a bit below .500 with an almost exactly even point differential through 56 games. I would've expected this team to be better, I'm blaming Nash. You would really like to win the turnover battle with an SGA team, but they are -1.4 per game compared to their opponents. They also have a -0.7 differential on rebounds. They outshoot their opponents slightly with 53.7% eFG to 52.8%, and have an advantage on free throws made and attempted (Thanks Shai & Joel!). That scoring efficiency basically cancels out the possession disadvantage, so the even point differential makes sense. This group had promise, but Nash's turnovers and poor defense are doing too much damage. Small detail, but I don't think Adams is helping much. You could've used more blocks + defense rather than assists. Diabate is a nice find. Rifton was closer on this one, but still missed the mark. I would expect EA&TWS's season to roughly stay the course, they are capable of a playoff run but a tier beneath title contention.

Dreaming Tree - dh555

Preseason Review:

"Kawhi, Hakeem, Pippen, B.Jones, Tree, Jalen Wms, Clingan------ on the surface looks like a good draft. Some of these players do have some warts, though. And I am not sure Kawhi and Pippen can play well together. Pippen is like Dr. J. it's hard to pick the right season to use based on team needs/cohesiveness. BJones TO% is a little higher than I would like, same with Tree's fouls. Draft Grade: C+ Prediction: In the playoff hunt but may come up a little shy"

Midseason Review:

There are some good picks here, but I viewed this draft as less than the sum of its parts. I sound like a broken record bringing up the redundancy of picking so many defense-first players, but often in doing so you build a sub-par offense. As much as I love Hakeem - in real life and WIS - him and Pippen are going to cause issues with their mediocre eFG% and TO%. Kawhi will always be a solid first-rounder, but this is not the cast I would've targeted around him. Drafting so many fouls is going to hurt this defense and take away some of the benefit of your shot-blocking. A volume three-point shooter also would've helped round out this group, opponents will likely have success using an interior defensive setting.

Dreaming Tree are a little under .500 through 64 games with a slightly positive point differential (+0.4). They have a strong defense that allows only 51% eFG, but their own offense is below average at 50.6% shooting. 23-24 J-Dub would have boosted this team with his elite scoring efficiency and three-point shooting, the 24-25 season doesn't impress me. They gain a possession advantage by grabbing 2.7 more rebounds than their opponents while being dead even on turnovers, which helps make up for the shooting. Their biggest issue seems to be fouls, which they are committing 1.8 more of than their opponents. Giving up points at the free throw line is extra damaging to a team that struggles to score; I fear this will continue to plague the DT going forward. Rifton's prediction is on target, this appears to be a possible playoff team with a low ceiling.

The Scoring Guards - samuelyork93

Preseason Review:

"Luka, Wade, DoMitchell, Mutombo, JLucas, Vanderbilt, Andersen---- Hmmm, I don't know, just seems like too much. Hard to explain. Just my initial impression is a group of really good players that may not be able to gel into a cohesive unit. Not a fan of Vanderbilt or Andersen in the $52 although I fully see why you picked them. Draft Grade: B Prediction: playoff contender"

Midseason Review:

This draft definitely went heavier on usage than I would've done, but I like it aside from that. Luka and Wade eat up tons of possessions together, but you live with it for the nice offense-defense backcourt pairing. I think someone other than Mitchell would've been better since there are already so many guard minutes, and Wade can be your Luka backup. Nice hits with most of your late round picks. Mutombo and Birdman are great low-usage options for your frontcourt, and Lucas is great value in the fifth (I met Jerry Lucas and got a picture with him at my grandparents' church when I was a kid. Nice guy, enormous hands). Probably could've gone for more upside than Vando at the end of the draft.

The Scoring Guards have been successful this season, leading the division early on and currently have a 56% win rate and +3.4 point differential. They are out-rebounding their opponents by 3.5 per game, and out-shooting them with 54.5% eFG compared to 52.3%. Thank Luka for a lot of that, his 23-24 season is awesome. Clearly Wade is also doing a good job covering for him on the perimeter. This team has a +3.3 edge on assists thanks to those star guards and some extra passing from the frontcourt, which seems to be helpful for their shooting efficiency. They are losing on turnovers with a -1.2 differential, but I honestly would've expected that to be worse with Luka and Wade. The SGs are balanced well with defense and rebounding around their heliocentric offensive players, this seems to be an archetype that can do well. Rifton was a bit low on this squad, I would expect them to have a fighting chance at a title.

The Grizzlies Atum - chewy3344

Preseason Review:

"Rodman, Duncan, Valanciunas, Tatum, Clarke, Kemp, Batum----- absolutely love the fact that chewy chose Rodman here. I have always thought Rodman should be drafted in the Top 20 every time and the fact that one of the Elite 5 picked him at 17 validates my thinking.
(Side note: I personally admire raggedclaws team building in wis more than any other owner, but I find myself getting sniped by chewy more than any other owner. It's uncanny how much the 2 of us think alike in our player picks. I'd be happy to think of myself as "chewy-lite". :)))
I will say that the only pick chewy made that I know that I wouldn't of made is Tatum in the 4th. I am sure he's got a plan, maybe it's to play tatum at PG? Take note of how he beautifully sandwiches Valanciunas between Duncan and Rodman and then supports them with Kemp in the 6th. All moves I think I would of done the exact same thing providing my to's were in good shape b4 selecting Kemp. Draft Grade: A Prediction: Deep playoff run and possible Chip"

Midseason Review:

Really like this draft, lots of Chewy hallmarks here. He loves bludgeoning his opponents on the glass, and Rodman / Duncan / J-Val will definitely help accomplish that. The former two provide the defensive core needed to make J-Val work in the frontcourt. Tatum fits cleanly and provides volume scoring and lots of threes. Kemp is just fantastic value in the 7th and will give needed backup minutes. This team has a limited ceiling in terms of shooting, but clearly the philosophy is to grab every rebound in sight, including their own misses. More assists and threes are needed as well - hopefully that is handled by the undrafted players (I wouldn't worry about it, Chewy loves drafting assists).

The Grizzlies Atum are having an excellent season with a 58% win rate through 69 games, although they just got out of a nasty 7 game skid. They have a +1.3 point differential, which is lower than their record would suggest. As expected, this team has "atum up" on the glass, grabbing a ridiculous 9.4 more rebounds than their opponents. Their 19 offensive rebounds per game are inflated due to poor shooting; they average 50.9% eFG compared to their opponents at 53.2%. The lack of elite perimeter defenders and middling blocks (8.9 per game) seems to be an issue on defense. Some of the offensive struggles may be attributed to low assists, 26.6 per game is lower than you would hope for. That may be resulting in efficiency underperformance, such as Brandon Clarke shooting ~10% lower eFG than expected. The GA also have weaknesses in made free throws and turnovers (+1.2 per game vs. opponents). However, these warts seem manageable in light of the huge possession advantage gained by their rebounding. This team is a solid contender, and the type I could see exceeding expectations in the playoffs. Rifton and I are on the same page here, I foresee this team winning plenty more games and making at least the second round of the postseason.