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MikeT23
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A well-deserved non-election.   He doesn't get better as time moves forward. 
1/7/2014 4:05 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 1/7/2014 4:05:00 PM (view original):
A well-deserved non-election.   He doesn't get better as time moves forward. 
You're right, he just remains HOF-worthy.
1/7/2014 4:17 PM
MikeT23
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For those with lower HOF standards, sure.   

1/7/2014 4:19 PM
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There are 20 LF in the Hall of Fame. Raines was better than all but 5 of them.

Admitting him to the Hall raises the standard for left fielders.
1/7/2014 7:10 PM
MikeT23
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Yeah, "He's as good as...." doesn't work for me.    Probably said that quite a few times.
1/7/2014 7:51 PM
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Ken Gurick didn't vote for anyone from the steroid era. Only player he voted for was Morris.
1/7/2014 8:48 PM
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Let's remember, Mike was the one who once upon a time suggested a HOF of 25 hitters and 25 pitchers, and if you wanted to add someone new, you had to remove an existing member to keep it at 50.

It's like a school requiring a 4.0 GPA to make the Honour Roll.
1/7/2014 8:53 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 1/7/2014 7:51:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, "He's as good as...." doesn't work for me.    Probably said that quite a few times.
I know you've said that. And if the argument for Raines was, "he was only better than Rice," I'd agree with you.

But he was better than 75% of the left fielders already in the hall. That's way past borderline, that's a slam dunk.
1/7/2014 8:58 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 1/7/2014 7:10:00 PM (view original):
There are 20 LF in the Hall of Fame. Raines was better than all but 5 of them.

Admitting him to the Hall raises the standard for left fielders.
I'm curious.  Who are the "only 5" LFers in the HOF you would put ahead of Raines?
1/7/2014 9:07 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 1/7/2014 8:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 1/7/2014 7:51:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, "He's as good as...." doesn't work for me.    Probably said that quite a few times.
I know you've said that. And if the argument for Raines was, "he was only better than Rice," I'd agree with you.

But he was better than 75% of the left fielders already in the hall. That's way past borderline, that's a slam dunk.
Maybe there should only be 5. 
1/7/2014 9:11 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 1/7/2014 9:07:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/7/2014 7:10:00 PM (view original):
There are 20 LF in the Hall of Fame. Raines was better than all but 5 of them.

Admitting him to the Hall raises the standard for left fielders.
I'm curious.  Who are the "only 5" LFers in the HOF you would put ahead of Raines?
It's really only 4 already in. I counted Bonds as already too.

Bonds
Williams
Henderson
Yaz
Simmons

Do you see any other Hall of a Fame left fielders better than Raines?
1/7/2014 10:03 PM
masterdebate
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Musial off the top of my head.
1/7/2014 10:12 PM
tecwrg
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Willie Stargell.

Billy Williams.

Ralph Kiner.
1/7/2014 10:22 PM
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Brock, Delahanty, Yaz
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