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Does DiMaggio's War total include Dwar?
1/8/2014 10:05 AM
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Am I reading correctly that places that calculate WAR, have changed the way they calculate it over the years?
1/8/2014 10:08 AM
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Like 143 for Cy Young in the old way, but 160 in the new way?
1/8/2014 10:08 AM
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Yes to both. Post 2002 WAR uses video data to evaluate fielding.
1/8/2014 10:09 AM
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So there's really no way to accurately calculate anyone's WAR before 2002?
1/8/2014 10:10 AM
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Posted by bad_luck on 1/8/2014 10:03:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 1/8/2014 9:40:00 AM (view original):
Is it safe to assume BL is using WAR?    If so, there are half a dozen within 10%(and I believe BL has used 30% as a rough number for "meaningless") range of Raines.    I also believe BL has said dWAR is somewhat questionable.    If both of these hold true, Raines might be 5th or 15th.    Just eyeballing the stats, he's no better than 10th or so. 
I never said anything about 30% being meaningless. I said you should round WAR to the nearest whole number. Ignore the number after the decimal. So instead of 69.1, Raines is 69. Gwynn gets rounded up to 69. Duke Snider gets rounded up to 67. Joe DiMaggio down to 78. Etc.
I don't keep a file with your posts in it like you do mine but, yeah, you did.    Something to the effect of the difference between a single season WAR of 3.8 was not significantly different than a single season of 3.1.
1/8/2014 10:10 AM
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Posted by The Taint on 1/8/2014 10:10:00 AM (view original):
So there's really no way to accurately calculate anyone's WAR before 2002?
The fielding values aren't great but better than anything else we have. Think of the fielding calculation as more of an approximation.
1/8/2014 10:13 AM
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What happens when they again change the way WAR is calculated...is that going to change how good a player was during his career?
1/8/2014 10:14 AM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 1/8/2014 10:10:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/8/2014 10:03:00 AM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 1/8/2014 9:40:00 AM (view original):
Is it safe to assume BL is using WAR?    If so, there are half a dozen within 10%(and I believe BL has used 30% as a rough number for "meaningless") range of Raines.    I also believe BL has said dWAR is somewhat questionable.    If both of these hold true, Raines might be 5th or 15th.    Just eyeballing the stats, he's no better than 10th or so. 
I never said anything about 30% being meaningless. I said you should round WAR to the nearest whole number. Ignore the number after the decimal. So instead of 69.1, Raines is 69. Gwynn gets rounded up to 69. Duke Snider gets rounded up to 67. Joe DiMaggio down to 78. Etc.
I don't keep a file with your posts in it like you do mine but, yeah, you did.    Something to the effect of the difference between a single season WAR of 3.8 was not significantly different than a single season of 3.1.
You round and the difference is 1. But a difference of one isn't big. 3.1 and 3.4 are essentially the same. Like 3.6 and 3.9.
1/8/2014 10:15 AM
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Posted by bad_luck on 1/8/2014 10:13:00 AM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 1/8/2014 10:10:00 AM (view original):
So there's really no way to accurately calculate anyone's WAR before 2002?
The fielding values aren't great but better than anything else we have. Think of the fielding calculation as more of an approximation.
So in other words.....the people doing WAR calculations are just guessing to what Tris Speaker's DWAR was.....or Duke Sniders?
1/8/2014 10:15 AM
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Or Tim Raines's for the majority of his career?
1/8/2014 10:16 AM
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Posted by The Taint on 1/8/2014 10:14:00 AM (view original):
What happens when they again change the way WAR is calculated...is that going to change how good a player was during his career?
It won't change how good he was but it might change our understanding of how good he was.

1/8/2014 10:17 AM
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Posted by The Taint on 1/8/2014 10:15:00 AM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/8/2014 10:13:00 AM (view original):
Posted by The Taint on 1/8/2014 10:10:00 AM (view original):
So there's really no way to accurately calculate anyone's WAR before 2002?
The fielding values aren't great but better than anything else we have. Think of the fielding calculation as more of an approximation.
So in other words.....the people doing WAR calculations are just guessing to what Tris Speaker's DWAR was.....or Duke Sniders?
They use play by play data, so it isn't a guess. It's just not as accurate as UZR based calculations.
1/8/2014 10:18 AM
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Before 1940, there was just a box or line score...there was no play by play data.
1/8/2014 10:21 AM
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I don't know how they do it for players before play by play data.
1/8/2014 10:25 AM
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