Posted by tecwrg on 1/11/2014 10:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 1/11/2014 1:50:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 1/11/2014 11:08:00 AM (view original):
Glavine had five 20 win seasons. Mussina had only one, in his final season.
Glavine also had 2 CY awards, and finished 2nd or 3rd four other times. Mussina only had one top 3 finish.
Those are meaningful differences between the two.
20 wins is arbitrary. Mussina won 17 or more games 8 times. Glavine did it 6 times.
And anyway, the pitcher win/loss stat is useless.
20 is arbitrary? And 17 is not?
And despite your continued assertions, pitcher W/L is a relevant stat. Unless you can produce an example of a pitcher getting credit for a win in a game that his team loses.
That was my point. There's nothing special about 20. Or 21. Or 17. Moving the win number up or down a couple makes whichever pitcher you want look better.
What if I gave you examples of pitchers pitching absolutely horrible and still getting credit for the win? Or throwing an amazing game and getting the loss?
Hilariously ironic that the guy who freaks out when someone uses WAR readily accepts pitcher wins as evidence of one pitcher's superiority.