Agreed
That doesn't mean the Yankees wouldn't be better off with Ryan at ss

Posted by seamar_116 on 2/17/2014 6:29:00 PM (view original):
you are correct Tec...playing a 39 y/o with a bad ankle at shortstop, who has limited range essentially his whole career is a much better move. I am not going to bother listing the host of MLB players who have changed positions in their careers because the team wanted them to, because none of them is as special as Derek Jeter.

Are you saying you're thinking that Jeter moving to 2B is a better option?

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Posted by tecwrg on 2/15/2014 7:58:00 AM (view original):
As a fan of "the great" Cal Ripken, perhaps you shouldn't be throwing stones about selfish players.

Give me one example of a game where his playing hurt the team. Cal at even 70% was always better than the next available option at SS for the Orioles.

I'll be waiting.

Really?

OK.  June 23, 1996.  CR Jr. went 0-3 with 3 K's.  Somebody else might have gotten a couple of hits.

You want more?  I'll list every hitless game he ever had during "the streak" if that will help.

Moron.

WTF does that prove? By your logic, even Miggy was hurting his team last year by going 0-fer in some games. It has nothing to do with the streak.

Just because hindsight tells you a guy went 0-3, that means he was selfish to play that day? And I'm the moron?

God, you're reaching MikeT levels of obnoxious stupidity. At least try to make your arguments relevant to the topic at hand.

Posted by tecwrg on 2/16/2014 8:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by seamar_116 on 2/16/2014 1:10:00 AM (view original):
One June 23rd, 1996..Kevin Appier struck out 11, allowed 2 hits in 8 IP in a 4-0 shut out of the Orioles. Ripken struck out 3 times in 3 AB hitting 6th. All of his Ks came with the bases empty and the two players behind him, also were hitless for the day. It does not appear that his lack of offense cost the Orioles the game. Defensively, Ripken only had 4 balls hit his way during the game. One was through the hole between 3b-SS for a hit, one he got to in the hole and threw the runner out (+) play, and the others were routine ground outs. He also was the middle man on a 4-6-3 DP.

I think it is safe to say that Ripken did not "hurt" his team on this day. I'd be careful about tossing the "moron" label around if you are only going to cite one aspect of the game of baseball in analyzing a game or career.

"Just seeing Cal out there everyday was an inspiration. He was always a settling presence."  Chris Hoiles

So . . . "Great game Cal, keep up the good work"?

Again, has nothing to do with the streak.

Idiot.

Posted by tecwrg on 2/16/2014 10:17:00 AM (view original):
"Give me one example of a game where his playing hurt the team."

That was jt's question.  It's a ridiculous premise.  I answered in kind.

The final seven years of so of Ripken's streak, he was a very ordinary player.  It's mind-boggling to believe that the Orioles benefited from him being there every single day for 1100+ consecutive games during those seven seasons.

Streak ended in '98. He was MVP in '91...Top 20 in MVP voting '93-'95.

TERRIBLE!!

Posted by The Taint on 2/17/2014 10:53:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by Jtpsops on 2/14/2014 8:15:00 PM (view original):
Typical MikeT throwing up smokescreens..."B-b-but it's ARod!!" So because ARod is a piece of garbage, that makes Jeter less of a ****** teammate? Showing your teammates up on the field or sitting back as "The Captain" and watching one of your teammates get devoured by anyone and everyone makes him the shittiest of teammates. I don't care who the player in question is. Even last year, when ARod came back as Public Douche #1, Girardi stood up and said "It doesn't matter what he's done or how people feel about him. He's one of us and we're going to support him". Never EVER heard that from Captain Derek.

How about another example - Ripken. Final years of his career, team gets Bordick who at that point was a far superior defender at SS. So what happens? Ripken moves to 3B. Jeter should be taking it upon himself to go to the Yankees and say "Look, if you guys can get Drew in here, I'll move to 2B because it'll make this team way better". Wouldn't happen in a million years because Jeter doesn't put himself out for the betterment of the team.

And to those saying I'm just hating on Jeter because he's a Yankee - I've never had a bad thing to say about Pettitte or Rivera. Rivera was the epitome of class. Jeter, far from it.

Oh bullshit...in an 18 year career or however long it was, Jeter has a problem with one guy and that's going to be his legacy?  Bullshit.  Nobody likes Arod.  Jeter gets a pass on Aroid.

So you think he's encouraging the team to sign Drew and offering to move to 2B? Because that truly would greatly improve the Yankees for the coming season, and give them a SS for the next year or two after Jeter leaves.

Drew wants 14 million a season and is a fixture on the DL, and he costs a draft pick which the Red Sox will gain.

Greatly is a pretty substantial overstatement.

You may want to go over the rules sometime. The team signing him forfeits the draft pick. It's gone. It doesn't go to the other team.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/16/2014 3:48:00 PM (view original):
The thing I find funny is "Who plays there if not Jeter?"   Let's say, when A-Rod signed, they moved Jeter.   A-Rod "outgrew" the position in a couple of years.  The Yankees haven't been able to cherrypick players for years.   We saw what they ran out there last year.   He's been their best option for a long time.  And, quite honestly, I don't think being the next Yankee SS is such a great thing for a career.   You don't want to be the guy that replaces the guy.   You wanna be the next guy.

Jeter is WELL BELOW the league RF throughout his career. He's right around the league average in fielding %.

Many players could have replaced him and done better defensively.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/17/2014 8:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cobra on 2/17/2014 8:27:00 PM (view original):
Agreed
That doesn't mean the Yankees wouldn't be better off with Ryan at ss

As much as I hate to say it, it's Ripken-like.   Ripken had to know that going out on the field when he was well-below 100% was hurting the team.  However, only he could take himself out of the line-up and he wasn't going to do it.  The "streak" became bigger than the team.   Jeter playing SS, and only SS for the Yankees, is so similar that it's silly. 

Some of it is pride.  Some of it is selfishness.  But, more than anything, I think it's a belief that elite players have that "no one can do it better than me."   You see it with so many aging athletes.

Too bad Ripken "moved himself" to 3B before the streak ended. Kind of kills your argument. He made a switch for the betterment of the team.

Comparing a guy who wants to play, even if he's injured, to a guy who selfishly refused to make a move to help the team because it might tarnish his legacy is what is silly.

Now, on with the truckstop whore stories. We need some entertainment here.

Posted by Jtpsops on 2/17/2014 11:26:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by The Taint on 2/14/2014 10:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jtpsops on 2/14/2014 8:15:00 PM (view original):
Typical MikeT throwing up smokescreens..."B-b-but it's ARod!!" So because ARod is a piece of garbage, that makes Jeter less of a ****** teammate? Showing your teammates up on the field or sitting back as "The Captain" and watching one of your teammates get devoured by anyone and everyone makes him the shittiest of teammates. I don't care who the player in question is. Even last year, when ARod came back as Public Douche #1, Girardi stood up and said "It doesn't matter what he's done or how people feel about him. He's one of us and we're going to support him". Never EVER heard that from Captain Derek.

How about another example - Ripken. Final years of his career, team gets Bordick who at that point was a far superior defender at SS. So what happens? Ripken moves to 3B. Jeter should be taking it upon himself to go to the Yankees and say "Look, if you guys can get Drew in here, I'll move to 2B because it'll make this team way better". Wouldn't happen in a million years because Jeter doesn't put himself out for the betterment of the team.

And to those saying I'm just hating on Jeter because he's a Yankee - I've never had a bad thing to say about Pettitte or Rivera. Rivera was the epitome of class. Jeter, far from it.

Oh bullshit...in an 18 year career or however long it was, Jeter has a problem with one guy and that's going to be his legacy?  Bullshit.  Nobody likes Arod.  Jeter gets a pass on Aroid.

So you think he's encouraging the team to sign Drew and offering to move to 2B? Because that truly would greatly improve the Yankees for the coming season, and give them a SS for the next year or two after Jeter leaves.

Drew wants 14 million a season and is a fixture on the DL, and he costs a draft pick which the Red Sox will gain.

Greatly is a pretty substantial overstatement.

You may want to go over the rules sometime. The team signing him forfeits the draft pick. It's gone. It doesn't go to the other team.

WEll, not the same pick, but the Sox will be rewarded with basically a first round pick while the Yankees lose their first round pick.

Posted by Jtpsops on 2/17/2014 11:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 2/16/2014 10:17:00 AM (view original):
"Give me one example of a game where his playing hurt the team."

That was jt's question.  It's a ridiculous premise.  I answered in kind.

The final seven years of so of Ripken's streak, he was a very ordinary player.  It's mind-boggling to believe that the Orioles benefited from him being there every single day for 1100+ consecutive games during those seven seasons.

Streak ended in '98. He was MVP in '91...Top 20 in MVP voting '93-'95.

TERRIBLE!!

'92 to '98, his OPS+ was 96.  Less than league average for somebody who was always regarded as an "offensive" player.  He was only above 100 in two of those seven seasons, and not by much.

He was very ordinary once he turned 31 years old.  Ordinary players on the backside of their careers may benefit from a day off here or there.

Posted by Jtpsops on 2/17/2014 11:22:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tecwrg on 2/15/2014 7:58:00 AM (view original):
As a fan of "the great" Cal Ripken, perhaps you shouldn't be throwing stones about selfish players.

Give me one example of a game where his playing hurt the team. Cal at even 70% was always better than the next available option at SS for the Orioles.

I'll be waiting.

Really?

OK.  June 23, 1996.  CR Jr. went 0-3 with 3 K's.  Somebody else might have gotten a couple of hits.

You want more?  I'll list every hitless game he ever had during "the streak" if that will help.

Moron.

WTF does that prove? By your logic, even Miggy was hurting his team last year by going 0-fer in some games. It has nothing to do with the streak.

Just because hindsight tells you a guy went 0-3, that means he was selfish to play that day? And I'm the moron?

God, you're reaching MikeT levels of obnoxious stupidity. At least try to make your arguments relevant to the topic at hand.

So what kind of response to "give me one example of a game where his playing hurt the team" would be "acceptable" to you?

Or are you just in "DENY, DENY, DENY!!!" mode?

Posted by tecwrg on 2/18/2014 6:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Jtpsops on 2/17/2014 11:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg on 2/16/2014 10:17:00 AM (view original):
"Give me one example of a game where his playing hurt the team."

That was jt's question.  It's a ridiculous premise.  I answered in kind.

The final seven years of so of Ripken's streak, he was a very ordinary player.  It's mind-boggling to believe that the Orioles benefited from him being there every single day for 1100+ consecutive games during those seven seasons.

Streak ended in '98. He was MVP in '91...Top 20 in MVP voting '93-'95.

TERRIBLE!!

'92 to '98, his OPS+ was 96.  Less than league average for somebody who was always regarded as an "offensive" player.  He was only above 100 in two of those seven seasons, and not by much.

He was very ordinary once he turned 31 years old.  Ordinary players on the backside of their careers may benefit from a day off here or there.

LOL.   "He was MVP in '91 and the streak ended a mere 7 years later!!!!!   No way was he hurting the team during those 1000+ games!!!!!"


Dumbass.

Tecwg agreeing with Miket23!

shocking!

Using that sort of retarded logic, we should get a 2006-2009 version of Jeter.    He'll hit about .330 with an OBP over .400 while slugging .450.    If he can do that, I'll take sub-standard D.