Is WAR a stat? Topic

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no, its a measurement of total bases per at bat. How is that unclear?
9/7/2016 1:33 PM
tecwrg
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Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 12:54:00 PM (view original):
W/L is a counting stat. Like hits, runs scored, strikeouts, etc. It just counts two different things together.

Duh.
What is it counting?
You don't know what W/L is counting?

Do you understand baseball?
I need someone to explain what output is measured by pitcher W/L.

A pitcher pitches 6 innings. He gives up 7 hits, 2 walks, 3 runs, and strikes out 4. What is his W/L output?
For that game, it's one of three discrete results: 1-0, 0-0 or 0-1.

What's his WAR for that game?
9/7/2016 1:36 PM
tecwrg
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Do you need a calculator to help you figure that out?

9/7/2016 1:38 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 1:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 12:54:00 PM (view original):
W/L is a counting stat. Like hits, runs scored, strikeouts, etc. It just counts two different things together.

Duh.
What is it counting?
You don't know what W/L is counting?

Do you understand baseball?
I need someone to explain what output is measured by pitcher W/L.

A pitcher pitches 6 innings. He gives up 7 hits, 2 walks, 3 runs, and strikes out 4. What is his W/L output?
For that game, it's one of three discrete results: 1-0, 0-0 or 0-1.

What's his WAR for that game?
So his W/L isn't determined by how he pitched?
9/7/2016 1:38 PM
MikeT23
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Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:27:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 9/7/2016 1:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 12:14:00 PM (view original):
Yes, but the point of SLG is to give us a way to measure a player's power.

The weights used in SLG are pretty good. It's a good stat. But that doesn't mean there isn't a better way to measure power.

Similarly, Fangraphs' WAR calculation is pretty good at its goal. But Baseball Reference thinks there's a better way to calculate a stat that measures a player's offensive, defensive, and base running value.
I'm sorry Argue Monkey, who says it's a way to measure a player's power?

"Power" could be "measured" by exit velocity. A bloop single is not "powerful" but it counts for 1 base. Or, in your WobA or whatever the **** you mentioned, .89 bases. But it damn sure ain't powerful. Neither is a 23 ft dribbler that gets beaten out. Hitting a ******* baseball hard is "powerful".

I think SLG measures total bases/AB not power.
So you don't think SLG is a measurement of a hitter's power?
Do you think a bloop single or 23 ft dribbler is powerful? Do they count as a positive it SLG%?

As an ADVANCED METRICS fuckwad, I figure you'd be all over exit velocity. The end result doesn't matter but the action does.
9/7/2016 1:45 PM
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Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 1:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 12:54:00 PM (view original):
W/L is a counting stat. Like hits, runs scored, strikeouts, etc. It just counts two different things together.

Duh.
What is it counting?
You don't know what W/L is counting?

Do you understand baseball?
I need someone to explain what output is measured by pitcher W/L.

A pitcher pitches 6 innings. He gives up 7 hits, 2 walks, 3 runs, and strikes out 4. What is his W/L output?
For that game, it's one of three discrete results: 1-0, 0-0 or 0-1.

What's his WAR for that game?
So his W/L isn't determined by how he pitched?
Cmon BL. You know how wins and losses work. Don't do this to yourself.
9/7/2016 1:47 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/7/2016 1:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:27:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 9/7/2016 1:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 12:14:00 PM (view original):
Yes, but the point of SLG is to give us a way to measure a player's power.

The weights used in SLG are pretty good. It's a good stat. But that doesn't mean there isn't a better way to measure power.

Similarly, Fangraphs' WAR calculation is pretty good at its goal. But Baseball Reference thinks there's a better way to calculate a stat that measures a player's offensive, defensive, and base running value.
I'm sorry Argue Monkey, who says it's a way to measure a player's power?

"Power" could be "measured" by exit velocity. A bloop single is not "powerful" but it counts for 1 base. Or, in your WobA or whatever the **** you mentioned, .89 bases. But it damn sure ain't powerful. Neither is a 23 ft dribbler that gets beaten out. Hitting a ******* baseball hard is "powerful".

I think SLG measures total bases/AB not power.
So you don't think SLG is a measurement of a hitter's power?
Do you think a bloop single or 23 ft dribbler is powerful? Do they count as a positive it SLG%?

As an ADVANCED METRICS fuckwad, I figure you'd be all over exit velocity. The end result doesn't matter but the action does.
You didn't answer the question. Is SLG used as a way to measure a hitter's power?
9/7/2016 1:48 PM
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Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 1:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 12:54:00 PM (view original):
W/L is a counting stat. Like hits, runs scored, strikeouts, etc. It just counts two different things together.

Duh.
What is it counting?
You don't know what W/L is counting?

Do you understand baseball?
I need someone to explain what output is measured by pitcher W/L.

A pitcher pitches 6 innings. He gives up 7 hits, 2 walks, 3 runs, and strikes out 4. What is his W/L output?
For that game, it's one of three discrete results: 1-0, 0-0 or 0-1.

What's his WAR for that game?
Which WAR calculation will we be using?
9/7/2016 1:48 PM
MikeT23
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Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 9/7/2016 1:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:27:00 PM (view original):
Posted by MikeT23 on 9/7/2016 1:12:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 12:14:00 PM (view original):
Yes, but the point of SLG is to give us a way to measure a player's power.

The weights used in SLG are pretty good. It's a good stat. But that doesn't mean there isn't a better way to measure power.

Similarly, Fangraphs' WAR calculation is pretty good at its goal. But Baseball Reference thinks there's a better way to calculate a stat that measures a player's offensive, defensive, and base running value.
I'm sorry Argue Monkey, who says it's a way to measure a player's power?

"Power" could be "measured" by exit velocity. A bloop single is not "powerful" but it counts for 1 base. Or, in your WobA or whatever the **** you mentioned, .89 bases. But it damn sure ain't powerful. Neither is a 23 ft dribbler that gets beaten out. Hitting a ******* baseball hard is "powerful".

I think SLG measures total bases/AB not power.
So you don't think SLG is a measurement of a hitter's power?
Do you think a bloop single or 23 ft dribbler is powerful? Do they count as a positive it SLG%?

As an ADVANCED METRICS fuckwad, I figure you'd be all over exit velocity. The end result doesn't matter but the action does.
You didn't answer the question. Is SLG used as a way to measure a hitter's power?
You didn't answer the question.

Do you think a bloop single or 23 ft dribbler is powerful? Do they count as a positive it SLG%?



9/7/2016 1:49 PM
bad_luck
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Pretty sure I asked you first. Answer my question and I will happily answer yours with a direct yes/no answer.
9/7/2016 1:54 PM
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Oh, are you back to making demands?

Do you think a bloop single or 23 ft dribbler is powerful? Do they count as a positive in SLG%?
9/7/2016 1:55 PM
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I mean, you're just repeating the same question over and over while ignoring mine.

So, ask yourself this, do you really want to be the guy who argues that SLG is not used as a power measurement?

Come on. I know you're dumb, but you can't be that dumb.
9/7/2016 1:57 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/7/2016 1:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 1:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 12:54:00 PM (view original):
W/L is a counting stat. Like hits, runs scored, strikeouts, etc. It just counts two different things together.

Duh.
What is it counting?
You don't know what W/L is counting?

Do you understand baseball?
I need someone to explain what output is measured by pitcher W/L.

A pitcher pitches 6 innings. He gives up 7 hits, 2 walks, 3 runs, and strikes out 4. What is his W/L output?
For that game, it's one of three discrete results: 1-0, 0-0 or 0-1.

What's his WAR for that game?
Which WAR calculation will we be using?
Today is Wednesday. So use the Wednesday formula, I guess.
9/7/2016 1:58 PM
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Posted by d_rock97 on 9/7/2016 1:47:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 1:36:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 1:18:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 9/7/2016 1:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tecwrg on 9/7/2016 12:54:00 PM (view original):
W/L is a counting stat. Like hits, runs scored, strikeouts, etc. It just counts two different things together.

Duh.
What is it counting?
You don't know what W/L is counting?

Do you understand baseball?
I need someone to explain what output is measured by pitcher W/L.

A pitcher pitches 6 innings. He gives up 7 hits, 2 walks, 3 runs, and strikes out 4. What is his W/L output?
For that game, it's one of three discrete results: 1-0, 0-0 or 0-1.

What's his WAR for that game?
So his W/L isn't determined by how he pitched?
Cmon BL. You know how wins and losses work. Don't do this to yourself.
Shhh.

(He's setting a trap. Don't ruin it for him.)
9/7/2016 2:01 PM
bad_luck
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No trap. W/L doesn't measure output. But it's still a stat.
9/7/2016 2:03 PM
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