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Posted by MikeT23 on 2/25/2012 5:50:00 PM (view original):
I'm sure you've seen charts like this before(well, maybe not if you're getting your info from the WifS sim engine):



Who do you think was responsible for those low outside pitches that kept Williams in the low .200s?
Shockingly, this has been ignored. 
2/25/2012 6:20 PM
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Just in case no one likes Ted's hit chart.



Anyone wanna guess who's responsible for the location of those pitches?
2/25/2012 6:25 PM
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http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2007/05/the_location_of.php
2/25/2012 6:27 PM
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I'm gonna guess that Joe P. Sheehan and Baseball Analysts are hacks.
2/25/2012 6:28 PM
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Sheehan is one of the best.  I'd bet every dollar in my bank account that if you asked him, he'd choose FIP over WHIP.
2/25/2012 6:30 PM
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Good.  What do you think of his article on location of pitches and the ability to hit them?

As a secondary question, who is responsible for pitch location?
2/25/2012 6:34 PM
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In particular this:


 

The location of a pitch is one important factor in determining its fate. If a batter swings at a pitch thrown low in the strike zone, he has a good chance of hitting a ground ball, while if he swings at a higher pitch, there is a greater chance of him hitting the ball in the air. A difference in location of a couple of inches can be the difference between a home-run and a shattered bat. Pitchers need to be able to throw to precise locations and hitters need to be able to recognize if a ball is going to be hittable. As you can probably guess by now, this article is going to focus on the location of pitches, in and around the strike zone.

2/25/2012 6:35 PM
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It was interesting.

The pitcher controls pitch location.
2/25/2012 6:35 PM
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Do I need to ask any other questions?
2/25/2012 6:36 PM
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No, the article seems pretty straightforward to me.

Are you trying to make a point?
2/25/2012 6:38 PM
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The location of a pitch is one important factor in determining its fate.

And, of course, your response on this page seems to refute much of what you've claimed in the previous 49 pages:

"The pitcher controls pitch location."

Seems he has quite a bit of control of the situation. 
2/25/2012 6:40 PM
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I've never argued that a pitcher didn't control location or that the pitch didn't affect contact.  Just that once contact is made, whether or not the ball becomes an out is not in the pitchers hands.
2/25/2012 6:43 PM
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It's so funny watching him try to make that statement without having stupid.

"The pitcher controls pitch location, but not where the ball goe....DAMN!!"

2/25/2012 6:44 PM
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At this point, I'm willing to agree about disagreeing with jrd about Carlton v. Hunter.  He is unmovable in his conviction about Carlton.  I have mounds of evidence that tell me that his performance is indistinguishable from Hunter's during the period in which their careers coincided, and that they were equals in talent.

On the other hand, jrd's reliance on and application of certain advanced statistics and his disregard of others show that in terms of baseball intelligence, he is massively retarded.  His "debate" skills involve avoiding direct answers to questions, rehashing the same flawed arguments over and over, and constant reiteration of the point he is unable to intelligently defend.  In short, he is an idiot.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
2/25/2012 6:49 PM (edited)
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Posted by jrd_x on 2/25/2012 6:43:00 PM (view original):
I've never argued that a pitcher didn't control location or that the pitch didn't affect contact.  Just that once contact is made, whether or not the ball becomes an out is not in the pitchers hands.
K, for one final attempt...let's try this a different way. Let's say you're right in a literal sense...the pitcher has no control because he's not (for the sake of this argument) the one fielding the ball.

 

Which has a better chance of being turned into an out - a ground ball on the infield, or a liner to the gap?

2/25/2012 6:46 PM
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