Posted by Jtpsops on 2/29/2012 1:24:00 PM (view original):
You are dumb. Did you really suggest taking BABIP out of WHIP? So we should make it WHOBOPIP (Walks plus hits on balls out of play per inning pitched)?

You're just not getting it. WHIP represents the whole. BABIP is a fraction of the whole. It's not that BABIP is meaningless, but it doesn't give you the entire picture because it excludes stats.

If you ordered a pizza and someone gave you just a crust and sauce, what would you say? "This sucks! It's only half of the pizza equation!" And then when he adds cheese and toppings, you say "It still has crust and sauce - it sucks!!"

You still are not grasping basic concepts. Quantity vs. Quality, Partial vs. Whole, etc. For a supposed stat nerd and college grad, you really have a lot of trouble with the basics.

Posted by jrd_x on 2/29/2012 7:21:00 PM (view original):
You never did say who the pitchers were though.

Posted by tecwrg on 2/29/2012 7:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 2/29/2012 7:21:00 PM (view original):
You never did say who the pitchers were though.

I did not. 

Posted by jrd_x on 2/29/2012 7:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rsp777 on 2/29/2012 7:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 2/29/2012 11:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tecwrg2 on 2/29/2012 11:08:00 AM (view original):
He's got going to answer.  You have to wonder why not.

You know exactly why not.

You won't tell me whether or not you altered the stats.

No, it's because you're a chicken-**** who has done nothing but prove to EVERYONE reading this thread that you are AFRAID to back up your supposedly superior ability to judge players based on stats alone.

Hey genius, I already answered him.

Moron.

Posted by Jtpsops on 2/29/2012 5:50:00 PM (view original):
WHIP and ERA in tandem are usually pretty reliable. Low WHIP + Low ERA = great pitcher. High WHIP + Low ERA = unreliable but great at getting out of jams. Low WHIP + High ERA = likely good stuff, but poor command and lots of HR.  High WHIP + High ERA = sucks.

Each of those stats gives you valuable information. BABIP does not offer anything off value. All that information (and a lot more) can be gained from WHIP.

Posted by rsp777 on 2/29/2012 7:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jtpsops on 2/29/2012 5:50:00 PM (view original):
WHIP and ERA in tandem are usually pretty reliable. Low WHIP + Low ERA = great pitcher. High WHIP + Low ERA = unreliable but great at getting out of jams. Low WHIP + High ERA = likely good stuff, but poor command and lots of HR.  High WHIP + High ERA = sucks.

Each of those stats gives you valuable information. BABIP does not offer anything off value. All that information (and a lot more) can be gained from WHIP.

That seems like the most sound thinking presented in this entire thread.

Posted by jrd_x on 2/29/2012 7:37:00 PM (view original):
I thought you said you were going to get those?

Posted by jrd_x on 2/29/2012 7:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rsp777 on 2/29/2012 7:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jtpsops on 2/29/2012 5:50:00 PM (view original):
WHIP and ERA in tandem are usually pretty reliable. Low WHIP + Low ERA = great pitcher. High WHIP + Low ERA = unreliable but great at getting out of jams. Low WHIP + High ERA = likely good stuff, but poor command and lots of HR.  High WHIP + High ERA = sucks.

Each of those stats gives you valuable information. BABIP does not offer anything off value. All that information (and a lot more) can be gained from WHIP.

That seems like the most sound thinking presented in this entire thread.

Well that's debatable.  But we're left with the problem that Carlton had a lower ERA and higher WHIP than Hunter.  Which lead jtpsops to insist that WHIP was the most important stat for pitchers.

Posted by MikeT23 on 2/29/2012 7:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jrd_x on 2/29/2012 7:37:00 PM (view original):
I thought you said you were going to get those?

Why would I do that?   I don't think they exist.