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Yep, and all the dumbass chatter by retards like randle was just so much nonsense that they insisted on posting over and over again.  The only thing worse was claiming Buff was the "heart and soul" of the team.
1/25/2011 6:53 PM
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Posted by moy23 on 1/25/2011 4:44:00 PM (view original):
Revisions to the playoff seeding system in 1993-94 awarded division winners with the top spots in each conference. In the 15 seasons since, a division champ has made the Stanley Cup Finals every year, winning it 12 of the 15 times.

Year: Stanley Cup Finalists
2009: (4) PIT over (2) DET
2008: (1) DET over (2) PIT
2007: (2) ANA over (4) OTT
2006: (2) CAR over (8) EDM
2004: (1) TBL over (6) CGY
2003: (2) NJD over (7) ANA
2002: (1) DET over (3) CAR
2001: (1) COL over (1) NJD
2000: (4) NJD over (2) DAL
1999: (1) DAL over (7) BUF
1998: (2) DET over (4) WAS
1997: (3) DET over (2) PHI
1996: (2) COL over (4) FLA
1995: (5) NJD over (1) DET
1994: (1) NYR over (7) VAN

The only non-division winners to hoist the hardware since the new seeding scenario are New Jersey (5th seed in 1995, 4th seed in 2000) and Pittsburgh (4th seed in 2009). Interestingly, both failed to win as division champions (NJD 2001, PIT 2008).

The Presidents' Trophy winner has made it to the Finals six times in this span (NYR 1994, DET 1995, DAL 1999, COL 2001, DET 2002, DET 2008), claiming the Cup in each appearance. Amazingly, only once have the top seeded teams in each conference met in the Finals (2001). At the other end of the spectrum, Cinderellas' seeded 6th or worse have found themselves there five times (VAN 1994, BUF 1999, ANA 2003, CGY 2004, EDM 2006). None have won.

In short, unless you're the Devils or Penguins, your best bet to sip from Lord Stanley's mug begins with clinching your division. That way, at least, you have history on your side.
The above list is a good example of the playoffs being a crapshoot.  Only once in 15 years have the #1s in each conference made the finals in the same year, a 1 and 2 only made it once.  Last season you had a 2 and an 8; there are quite a few 7s in that list also.

Make the playoffs and take your chances on getting hot. 
1/25/2011 8:21 PM
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3-2-1 now since Jan 11th, 2011 (seven points in 6 games)

That's only 1 game over .500, and your team needs to go 10 over .500 to make the playoffs.

At this pace you will get 91 points and miss the playoffs.

Better get hot, or hope everyone else slumps.  Canucks went 2-1-3 in their last six and it was their biggest slump of the season???
1/26/2011 12:16 AM
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Posted by mudbone1969 on 1/25/2011 6:53:00 PM (view original):
Yep, and all the dumbass chatter by retards like randle was just so much nonsense that they insisted on posting over and over again.  The only thing worse was claiming Buff was the "heart and soul" of the team.

He was referring to "Your Playoff run" where without Buff you don't beat the Canuck's or the Sharks.

Nor can you replace Buff's 11 goals in the playoffs which had Buff tied for your team's lead in playoff goals with P Sharp.  Buff is a piece of the puzzle that the Hawks will miss (and miss now).  You under estimated his departure along with the other NON CORE players you lost.............It is going to be soooooooo SWEEEEEET when the Hawks miss the playoffs so we can RUB it in your faces......

1/26/2011 12:55 AM
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That's only 1 game over .500, and your team needs to go 10 over .500 to make the playoffs.

At this pace you will get 91 points and miss the playoffs.
 
Is there some magical number that they need to hit to make the playoffs?
So you're just assuming the other teams will all play better than the Blackhawks for the rest of the season?
1/26/2011 1:11 AM
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He was referring to "Your Playoff run" where without Buff you don't beat the Canuck's or the Sharks.
Then he should have said that and kept from looking like a bigger *** than he already is.
1/26/2011 1:12 AM
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Big loss to the 9 seed wild last night
1/26/2011 7:58 AM
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First off, the Blackhawks, like any other team, don't HAVE to reach ANY amount of points to guarantee a playoff spot, they just need to have more points than 7 teams in the West, no more no less.

Second, with or without Buff, the Hawks would have beaten the Canucks last season. Why? Because the Canucks beat themselves when they let the Hawks off the ropes. They let them get in their heads again and frustrate them into taking bad penalties. They also didn't get much production from their secondary scoring thanks to Kesler's bum shoulder. That being said, I'm not SO naive as to think the Hawks would have won the Cup without Buff, or Ladd or Versteeg. They were all integral parts of the Championship team and no one should ever try and take that away from them. Their losses sting, no doubt about it, but to say that they were "irreplaceable" on the team is a stretch, especially when you consider who the Hawks would have lost had they kept them (Sharp, Bolland, Kane, Seabrook...). It might not be this season, but our cupboard is not bare and suitable "role player" replacements are in the system (Beach, Morin, Leddy...).

Third, you are completely right moy, last night was a big one. You just can't lose to teams like that. I can't even say that I didn't like the effort though. They played a decent enough game, but the Wild just cashed in on their chances and we didn't.

Fourth, what's worse? Being a defending Stanley Cup Champion that makes the payoffs as the 8 seed or being the #1 seed losing to the defending Stanley Cup Champions for the 3rd straight playoff? Careful what you wish for juskay. Now I'm not saying that's gonna happen because I think the Canucks are primed for a long run, but I bet if you gave Vigneault & Co. a choice, the Hawks is the last team they'd want to face in round 1.

That being said though, when the Penguins won the Cup in 2008, they were only 24-21-5 after 50 games and looking VERY ordinary before going 21-7-4 the rest of the way, so it's not TOTALLY crazy to think the Hawks can still turn their season into a successful one.

I mean when you think about it, the only players who have over-achieved this season are Patrick Sharp and Corey Crawford. If any or all of Jonathan Toews, Pat Kane, Marian Hossa, Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook can play the remaining 32 games at the level everyone knows they're capable of, I don't think anyone really believes this is a non-playoff team.
1/26/2011 9:13 AM
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Posted by jiml60 on 1/26/2011 1:11:00 AM (view original):
That's only 1 game over .500, and your team needs to go 10 over .500 to make the playoffs.

At this pace you will get 91 points and miss the playoffs.
 
Is there some magical number that they need to hit to make the playoffs?
So you're just assuming the other teams will all play better than the Blackhawks for the rest of the season?
Based on league history, 95 points is pretty much a lock for the playoffs.  Last season 94 points and you were out.  Hawks are on pace for 91 points, I will all but guarantee they miss the playoffs if they only acheive 91 points.  But you're right, no magic number of points are a lock to make or miss playoffs.

With 38 games left in the season (On Jan 11th).  I made the statement that the Hawks need to go 24-14 the rest of the way (10 games over .500).  This would give the Hawks 97 points and a lock for the playoffs.  So far 6 games have passed and you only went 1 game over .500.  Now you have 32 games left and you will need to go 20-12 to get 96 points.  Anything less than 20-12 in the western conf. and you may not make the playoffs.

This is not a Hawk Hater post, this is a true statement.........So go 20-12 the rest of the way and see you in the playoffs.  I will update your team's progress on a weekly basis in this forum........Mostly because it will be fun to see the Hawks fall on their *****.......lol
1/26/2011 7:01 PM
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juskay the reason your logic doesn't work exactly right is because it not only depends what record they accumulate, but against who. Of the remaining 32 games for the Hawks, they have 21 against Western Conference opponents 9 of which are against division rivals, and 11 are Eastern teams. Now they could conceivably go 20-12 and miss the playoffs if all 12 losses are to teams they are battling for position with. Conversely, they could go 17-15 and lose 11 of those 15 to the Eastern teams, which would mean that they went 17-4 against Conference/Division rivals, effectively adding to their point total while subtracting potential points from the teams they're battling with and make the playoffs.


1/26/2011 7:13 PM
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Andru, my way (go 20-12 get 96 points) simplified your teams situation.  You are clouding the issue with bs.  You guys get 91 points you aint goin to the playoffs, you get 96 points you are in.  If I am wrong about either of these two statments then I will refrain from badgering you Hawk fans in the future.  Add and subtract all you want, but bottom line get 91 points in the west you finish NO HIGHER THAN 10th place.  NOW Let me cloud your issue...........

Hawks have 32 games left and only 12 HOME-20 on ROAD:

Teams who are close:
Nashville (4 points up on Hawks)plus 1 game in hand and play 21 HOME-12 on ROAD.
Phoenix (1 point up on Hawks)play 17 HOME-15 on ROAD
Anaheim (4 points up on Hawks)played 2 more games and play 16 HOME-14 on ROAD
Minnesota (1 point behind Hawks)plus 1 game in hand and play 17 HOME-16 on ROAD
San Jose  (1 point behind Hawks)plus 1 game in hand and play 16 HOME-17 on ROAD
Colorado (tied with Hawks)plus 1 game in hand and play 14 HOME-19 on ROAD

With the fewest HOME games remaining the Disadvantage goes to HAWKS,  add to the fact that Los Angeles, St Louis, Calgary(choke while holding back laughter), and even Columbus could still get hot and pass the Hawks.

Not Hawk Hater numbers..........Just the facts.
1/26/2011 7:54 PM
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I love it.  Win the Cup and jealous haters who are fans of teams that haven't won jack spit in forever...or never in some cases...get boners when we lose a couple games and start laughing.

If winning the Cup inspires this much vitriol, I'm gonna by stock in Pepto-Bismol in Calgary and Vancouver and Philly.
1/26/2011 8:09 PM
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Posted by mudbone1969 on 1/26/2011 8:09:00 PM (view original):
I love it.  Win the Cup and jealous haters who are fans of teams that haven't won jack spit in forever...or never in some cases...get boners when we lose a couple games and start laughing.

If winning the Cup inspires this much vitriol, I'm gonna by stock in Pepto-Bismol in Calgary and Vancouver and Philly.
I've always enjoyed watching the hawks struggle but I enjoy watching the Penguins, devils, and rangers struggle even more.

Funny though the hawks win their 2nd cup in close to 50 years and hawks fans start talking about how other teams havent won jack spit in forever... lol.
1/26/2011 8:17 PM
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All I did was post some FACTS.......The FACTS are the Hawks better get hot now, or they don't make the playoffs.  Uphill climb ahead for the defending champs.

Can't wait to start a forum:  FROM CHAMPS TO CHUMPS in JUST 12 ROSTER MOVES...................lol
How to replace "DEMI-GODS with DUMMIES"

Randle.......Feel free to help me out here?
1/26/2011 8:23 PM
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If you need a blatant retard like randle to back you up, you should find another front to fight on.  You may as well as Jtard to help you out.
1/26/2011 8:34 PM
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