Posted by mudbone1969 on 2/11/2011 10:28:00 PM (view original):
BTW, Pisani got elbowed by a guy who left his feet to deliver the hit, which is illegal.  Ham Sandwich caught a puck in the chest.

Yeah, they're sure soft.  They were soft too last season, IIRC.  All you haters kept blathering about it, remember?  Then we won this...



Take a good look at it here, because the Flyers don't have a chance at it.

Read the names on the cup.  You'll see the flyers on there twice.  You do realize the flyers have only missed the playoffs 8 times in franchise history and have 2 stanley cups in 6 finals appearances since '67.... 

I guess when you only win the cup once every 50 years you have to talk it up ---- judging by this season it could be a long long time before they win another.  enjoy ;)

Posted by andru2797 on 2/11/2011 11:00:00 PM (view original):
I have to agree with moy. no way this game should even be close. the hawks seemed to lose steam after the no goal call on what appeared to be a 4-0 goal. that changed the game. hawks took their foot off the gas and now there paying for it. on the plus side frolic has looked ok.

dallas turned this game around with toughness.  they started following thru checks and clobbering the hawks with legal/illegal hits.  It brought the crowd back into the game and crushed that fragile team confidence the hawks had.  

last year the hawks had tough guys like eager, buff, and sopel that could continually apply pressure.  when the flyers were attacking kaner in the finals it was buff to the rescue.  this year they have no one that can do that.

sure the hawks can score still - but without toughness they can't beat the confidence out of anyone.


even if the hawks win here - its a loss since all in the west but SJ scored at least 1 point tonight.  That and the fact they gave up a 3 goal lead to a team thats ahead of them in the standings.

Tonight in the west:

2 points:   DAL, MIN, CBJ, DET, ANA
1 point:  CHI, STL, CGY
0 points:   SJ, COL


Hawks can't afford to keep falling behind.

CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

3-0 Lead????

WTF!!

Andru said you guys were better on the road???

Glass half full=at least you got 1 point??
Glass half empty=you gave away the other point???

Why play Turco???  Stick with Crawford???

 Going down ,down down ... me and Buff are having a pitcher of beer together laughing at the sad sack Hawks,,haha

Posted by moy23 on 2/11/2011 11:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mudbone1969 on 2/11/2011 10:28:00 PM (view original):
BTW, Pisani got elbowed by a guy who left his feet to deliver the hit, which is illegal.  Ham Sandwich caught a puck in the chest.

Yeah, they're sure soft.  They were soft too last season, IIRC.  All you haters kept blathering about it, remember?  Then we won this...



Take a good look at it here, because the Flyers don't have a chance at it.

Read the names on the cup.  You'll see the flyers on there twice.  You do realize the flyers have only missed the playoffs 8 times in franchise history and have 2 stanley cups in 6 finals appearances since '67.... 

I guess when you only win the cup once every 50 years you have to talk it up ---- judging by this season it could be a long long time before they win another.  enjoy ;)

Wrong.  The Flyers have lost six straight finals appearances, 1976, 1980, 1985. 1987. 1997, 2010.  The longest current streak of Stanley Cup Finals futility and tied for the longest streak ever.  If you're going to quote facts, get them right.

Posted by mudbone1969 on 2/11/2011 9:10:00 PM (view original):
.I can't take this awful team with no heart and soul, getting abused like this on the road.  I'm glad all you haters were right about us, just like you were last year when all we heard was how the Hawks had no chance.

Keep up the talk???

Your mouth runnith over???

MUDDY, MUDDY, MUDDY, WATERs ahead????........................So f^%cking MUDDY, you can not see anything??

Posted by holer on 2/12/2011 1:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by moy23 on 2/11/2011 11:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mudbone1969 on 2/11/2011 10:28:00 PM (view original):
BTW, Pisani got elbowed by a guy who left his feet to deliver the hit, which is illegal.  Ham Sandwich caught a puck in the chest.

Yeah, they're sure soft.  They were soft too last season, IIRC.  All you haters kept blathering about it, remember?  Then we won this...



Take a good look at it here, because the Flyers don't have a chance at it.

Read the names on the cup.  You'll see the flyers on there twice.  You do realize the flyers have only missed the playoffs 8 times in franchise history and have 2 stanley cups in 6 finals appearances since '67.... 

I guess when you only win the cup once every 50 years you have to talk it up ---- judging by this season it could be a long long time before they win another.  enjoy ;)

Wrong.  The Flyers have lost six straight finals appearances, 1976, 1980, 1985. 1987. 1997, 2010.  The longest current streak of Stanley Cup Finals futility and tied for the longest streak ever.  If you're going to quote facts, get them right.

Thanks for the correction. Even better..... flyers avg reaching the finals ~2x decade and winning a Stanley cup ~1x every 2 decades. How do the hawks stack up since the expansion in '67? Congrats on the 1 cup hawks. It's gonna be a long time before you glimpse another one.

Edit.... just looked it up.. hawks have missed the playoffs 9 times in the last 12 years, about to make it 10 in 13, in a league where more than 1/2 the teams in the conf make the playoffs every year.

actually moy, lack of toughness is where I disagree in terms of what the hawks need. the red wings have managed to win 4 Stanley cups on skill and team play and the hawks arec built to do the same, so not every team has to brawl its way to a cup. bryan bickell, troy brouwer, Jake dowell and Dave bolland all add their fair share of sandpaper to the lineup. a bigger issue is consistency and defensive play, two much more valuable and important elements for a championship team than so called toughness. the hawks are allowing half a goal a game and 4 shots more per game this season. also, their pk which was a strength last season has dropped nearly 10% this year, thanks in part to weak goaltending from Mr. turbo.

Posted by andru2797 on 2/12/2011 9:02:00 AM (view original):
actually moy, lack of toughness is where I disagree in terms of what the hawks need. the red wings have managed to win 4 Stanley cups on skill and team play and the hawks arec built to do the same, so not every team has to brawl its way to a cup. bryan bickell, troy brouwer, Jake dowell and Dave bolland all add their fair share of sandpaper to the lineup. a bigger issue is consistency and defensive play, two much more valuable and important elements for a championship team than so called toughness. the hawks are allowing half a goal a game and 4 shots more per game this season. also, their pk which was a strength last season has dropped nearly 10% this year, thanks in part to weak goaltending from Mr. turbo.

Brawling is stupid.... when I say toughness I mean following through on checks, overpowering teams physically and not letting up pressure, getting players positioned in front of the net, and not taking any **** from your opponent. I'm not suggesting the hawks sit in the penalty box. Detroit, Imo, is a very physical team - they play sound technically like you suggest which includes following through on checks, they are always applying pressure on the other team and rarely let up, and they are generally a pretty deep team, except in the net. I've never thought of detroit as a team of fancy skaters. Detroit has always been blue collar tough it out hard working when it comes to the wings..... and that's toughness.

if that's what you mean, than I don't think anyone can accuse guys like Jonathan toews, Brent Seabrook, troy brouwer, Patrick Sharp, or bryan bickell of not working their ***** off every night. if they got some more consistent play from Dave bolland, nik hjalmarsson and pat kane they would be fine. I think they still have enough good players to be a top 4 team in the west, they just haven't been able to get everyone pulling in the same direction for an extended period.

I have news for you too.... nobody in the league is scared to take a hit from bryan bickell, troy brouwer, Jake dowell or Dave bolland. that's why teams take so many shots at Kane and Toews. there is no consequence.

I'm repulsed that you think the hawks are built anything like the wings.

Lastly..... good forchecking can take pressure off a defense. Right now the hawks are forcing themselves to play physical (when its not natural to their game) and its leaving them out of position and handicapping the team. I watch a lot of hockey.... I'm telling you the hawks physical play looks forced and unnatural. They have great skaters and shooters but lack in size, depth, and toughness

Posted by andru2797 on 2/12/2011 9:55:00 AM (view original):
if that's what you mean, than I don't think anyone can accuse guys like Jonathan toews, Brent Seabrook, troy brouwer, Patrick Sharp, or bryan bickell of not working their ***** off every night. if they got some more consistent play from Dave bolland, nik hjalmarsson and pat kane they would be fine. I think they still have enough good players to be a top 4 team in the west, they just haven't been able to get everyone pulling in the same direction for an extended period.

It's not a one or two player thing. Sure Sharp, toews, hossa have grit and toughness. It needs to be a team philosophy - not a team luxury. I'm not really talking about heart to win when I say toughness.... more of a stubbornness to not lose where a team will do whatever it takes.

Just like last night..... the hawks get a lead, their opponent gets more physical than the hawks, the hawks give up their lead. happens like clockwork.

the hawks are built exactly like the wings. I remember in the mid 90s before they finally won a cup everyone called the wings, and yzerman, and fedorov too soft to win. then when those guys were gone, everyone said they'd never win with datsyuk and zetterberg. toughness isn't the only way to win hockey games, despite what brains and flyers fans might think. I've said from the start that I thought the hawks were unlikely to repeat and I stick to that, but to say that toews, kane, Sharp, hossa, Keith and Seabrook are not good enough to ever contend again is simply non-sensical. Detroit builds their team with good scouting and good player development. they draft and develop speed skill and discipline. the hawks philosophy is the same, but well only know in about a decade or so if they indeed scouted, drafted and developed as well as the wings have the last 20 years.

Who you calling "Brains"?

Flamesfans want to know??