MIRROR, MIRROR - No draft night trades! Topic

Any Trekkers in the house? Well, we've got at least one. "Mirror, Mirror" is a Star Trek: The Original Series episode in which Kirk encounters himself in an alternate timeline. It's equal parts creepy and cool.

So......here's the theme. All NBA Draft trades NEVER HAPPENED! (dun dun dun)

This means:

Kevin Love played for the Memphis Grizzlies
Kawhi Leonard played for the Indiana Pacers
Damian Lillard played for the Brooklyn Nets
Kyrie Irving played for the LA Clippers
Gordon Hayward played for the New York Knicks
Larry Sanders played for the Chicago Bulls
Ricky Rubio played for the Washington Wizards
Serge Ibaka played for the Phoenix Suns
Marc Gasol played for the Los Angeles Lakers
Joakim Noah played for the New York Knicks
LaMarcus Aldridge played for the New York Knicks
Rajon Rondo played for the Los Angeles Lakers
Deron Williams played for the Portland Trail Blazers
Josh Smith played for the Milwaukee Bucks
Luol Deng played for the Phoenix Suns
Pau Gasol played for the Atlanta Hawks
Shawn Marion played for the Dallas Mavericks (originally)
Andrei Kirilenko played for the Orlando Magic
Jason Terry played for the Golden State Warriors
Vince Carter played for the Golden State Warriors
Dirk Nowitzki played for the Milwaukee Bucks
Ray Allen played for the Minnesota Timberwolves
Kobe Bryant played for the Charlotte Hornets
Chris Webber played for the Orlando Magic, while Anfernee Hardaway played for the Golden State Warriors
Shawn Kemp played for the Philadelphia 76ers
Dan Majerle played for the Cleveland Cavaliers
Dennis Rodman played for the Cleveland Cavaliers
Scottie Pippen played for the New York Knicks
Arvydas Sabonis played for the Boston Celtics
Jeff Hornacek played for the Los Angeles Lakers
Terry Porter played for the Boston Celtics
Charles Barkley played for the LA Clippers
Derek Harper played for the Atlanta Hawks
James Worthy played for the Cleveland Cavaliers
Dominique Wilkins played for the Utah Jazz
Kevin McHale played for the Golden State Warriors
Larry Smith played for the Detroit Pistons
Magic Johnson played for the Utah Jazz (wait, what?)
Robert Parish played for the Los Angeles Lakers
Bill Russell played for the St. Louis/Atlanta Hawks

AND MORE!


Rules:
1. $48M cap
2. No twisting
3. You can use any player's season that played for your franchise (in this timeline). For example, any Ray Allen Bucks season with a Timberwolves team.
4. The timeline only counts for the player's first team. Any seasons after the player's first team can be used as they are in real life.
5. If you can find a link for the trade, it counts. If you can't find a link, you can't use that player.
6. REMEMBER: You cannot use players from our reality, e.g. Anfernee Hardaway with the Orlando Magic! Make sure to take that into consideration when drafting a franchise.


You can reference this page for a (hopefully) complete list: http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Years/2014.htm
Switch the year out in the link to get any draft year.


Franchises are drafted first come, first serve. If you post it, it's yours.



Owner list:
bds9992 - Hawks (unless one of the next 2 owners wants it)
benhoidal - Jazz
hardened - Cavaliers
superrobb420 - Heat



By the way, no strict rules with the team name. As long as it includes the club name (e.g. "Lakers" or "Suns") it's a valid name for the league. Go crazy.


update (12:39 AM EST, 9/22/15): I definitely missed/fumbled a couple of the non-trades on the initial post. Check to see if I've changed anyone you were looking at. I think I got all of the major ones. Some (like Goran Dragic with the Toronto Raptors, or Mookie Blaylock with the Portland Trail Blazers) are technically true, but Mookie's really good seasons are with the Hawks, anyway, and Dragic's really good seasons are with the Suns the second time around, which wouldn't count.
9/25/2015 1:27 PM (edited)
I'll take the Jazz
9/20/2015 10:26 AM
I will take the Rodman Cavs
9/21/2015 10:23 PM
The biggest draft night trade that never happened was in 1984.  Portland offered the number two pick in the draft with Clyde Drexler and Calvin Natt for Ralph Sampson.  I was said that the Rockets would have definitely taken Michael Jordan with that pick.

That would have meant a starting lineup of Natt, Jordan, Drexler, Robert Reid, Olajuwon.
9/22/2015 8:49 AM
I'm wondering what you are counting as a draft trade. The Kyrie for Baron Davis trade happened in February, not on draft night. This implies that you want to include pick swaps for this league, but some picks were passed around more than once. Would Eric Bledsoe be eligible for the Thunder and Heat, or just Heat?
9/22/2015 11:28 AM
Posted by superrobb420 on 9/22/2015 11:28:00 AM (view original):
I'm wondering what you are counting as a draft trade. The Kyrie for Baron Davis trade happened in February, not on draft night. This implies that you want to include pick swaps for this league, but some picks were passed around more than once. Would Eric Bledsoe be eligible for the Thunder and Heat, or just Heat?
Right, yeah. It says "draft night" in the title, but that's more of a hook to get people to the thread. (Also, that was originally my idea, but it's more fun if you expand the definition a little bit.)

Any player that would've played for a different first team, had they not been traded at some point, now plays for the team that didn't trade them. Teams like the New York Knicks, for example, could've had quite a few more All-Stars.

I'm counting Bledsoe (his Clipper seasons only) with the Heat, as it was originally their pick.
9/22/2015 12:20 PM
Joe Barry Carroll to Golden State which sent Robert Parish and Kevin McHale to Boston
9/22/2015 6:43 PM
Posted by hardened on 9/22/2015 6:44:00 PM (view original):
Joe Barry Carroll to Golden State which sent Robert Parish and Kevin McHale to Boston
However, the Warriors received the pick used to select Parish from the Lakers as compensation for signing Cazzie Russell.

www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Years/1976.htm


www.celticsblog.com/2014/11/6/7165141/hail-to-the-chief-stoic-center-robert-parish-celtics
9/22/2015 7:11 PM
I will take a team, tbd.
9/24/2015 1:57 PM
I'm going to take the Hawks unless anyone else is set on it. If any one of the next three owners to sign up wants it, I'll relinquish it.
9/24/2015 4:24 PM
I'm leaning towards the Knicks but haven't finalized anything.
9/24/2015 4:47 PM
So if I took the Thunder I could have everyone they've drafted, including their draft night trade aways like Bledsoe and Pondexter?
9/24/2015 4:57 PM
I will take the Heat
9/24/2015 5:16 PM
Posted by cjok1051 on 9/24/2015 4:57:00 PM (view original):
So if I took the Thunder I could have everyone they've drafted, including their draft night trade aways like Bledsoe and Pondexter?
Not everyone. For example, Jeff Green's seasons with the Sonics would now be Celtics seasons. The pick used to select Bledsoe actually belonged to the Heat. It seems the Pondexter pick originally belonged to the Suns, so any of Pondexter's seasons with his first team would now be available for a Suns team.

If a trade didn't involve a pick, there's no significance.


As a reference, I would go to this link: www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Years/2010.htm

Look at the left-hand column. Whatever team is there is the team that originally had the pick, then traded it.
9/24/2015 5:27 PM
Definitely confused. So if I select Kobe, I can surround him with any Hornets player from any season?
12/14/2015 10:13 PM
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