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Posted by robusk on 1/11/2016 2:27:00 PM (view original):
This sounds ridiculously awesome shine.  I LOVE the idea.  I am starting a new job next week so maybe can't commit but I reserve the right to join down the road.
Thanks Robusk! I love the feedback I am getting in sitemail  and here. That was my goal to open a dialogue and think outside the box for a progressive league. Even if I don't get this off the ground (considering the state of the basketball sim) maybe someone might look at this concept, refine it and come up with a great league. I think this one could work really well.
1/11/2016 3:02 PM
This is a great concept. I don't think I have time to budget for a league like this now. But keep me in mind when looking for replacement owners!
1/11/2016 10:50 PM
Things I like about this concept:
Three eras of players
blind bids
only being able to use a player 4 seasons
no reason to tank

Things I don't like:
the 25% limit (and how ties are broken)
only being able to use the first 4 (or 4 out of first 5 seasons with a redshirt) seasons of a player
the specific years you are starting with, I think 59-60, 79-80, 99-00 would be better
1/11/2016 11:48 PM
Posted by benhoidal on 1/11/2016 10:50:00 PM (view original):
This is a great concept. I don't think I have time to budget for a league like this now. But keep me in mind when looking for replacement owners!
Thanks benhoidal
1/12/2016 10:48 AM
Posted by ncmusician_7 on 1/11/2016 11:48:00 PM (view original):
Things I like about this concept:
Three eras of players
blind bids
only being able to use a player 4 seasons
no reason to tank

Things I don't like:
the 25% limit (and how ties are broken)
only being able to use the first 4 (or 4 out of first 5 seasons with a redshirt) seasons of a player
the specific years you are starting with, I think 59-60, 79-80, 99-00 would be better
Thanks for the feedback ncmisician

the 25% limit (and how ties are broken) -I would likely change the limit to 50%. Chances are both owners will not have the same amount to spend on the second rd. At this point it would be like a draft league where one team would win the draft lottery. How else could ties be done with out dragging it out or creating move overhead in running of the league? I know everyone wants all tools at their disposial to get every player they want , but if two owners spend all of their budget going after one player and one owner comes away with nothing wouldn't that hurt the league?

only being able to use the first 4 (or 4 out of first 5 seasons with a redshirt) seasons of a player - What do you link or dislike about this?

the specific years you are starting with, I think 59-60, 79-80, 99-00 would be better - I know we all want to start with the meat (Wilt/Bird/Magic era) But have patience we will get there. 


1/12/2016 12:37 PM (edited)
Posted by grayfoxx on 1/12/2016 11:53:00 AM (view original):
**The second round of bidding you must only bid on those players that were on the list you provided in rd. 1. You will not need to submit a list of players you plan on recruiting after the second round. Any money spent on a player not won or tied will be returned to that owner for next round bidding. **

What if you lose all 12 players you put bids on?
This is one reason why I have a cap on the amount you can spend on one player. Maybe there should be some sort of other protections for this (open to suggestions). 
1/12/2016 2:17 PM
A question about long careers. I understand why Kareem isn't on the available player list since 75-76 is his 7th season. I assume he will be a freshman in the leagues 2nd season (76-77)? After competing for league seasons 2-5, will he appear as a freshman in year 80-81? And if this is true, you couldn't recruit him if you had him in league years 2-5?

Also, on the above question. What if you do lose all 12 players you bid on in round 1? Say you only went $250 on 1 guy, and spread your remaining $750 on 11 others. It just happens you lost all of them. Probably a rare occurrence but possible. I would assume you would be allowed a fresh list of 12 for round 2. It's not like getting a fresh list of 12 for the 2nd round would be a large advantage, you already lost out on your top 12 picks. After round 2, everyone including you can go after any available player.

BTW. I really like this concept for a theme.
1/12/2016 3:21 PM (edited)
Posted by grayfoxx on 1/12/2016 3:11:00 PM (view original):
????????????????????

Who do I bid on in round 2 if I lose all of my first round bids?
The player pool will be large so you will have a chance to bid on guys who have not been taken, but I may need to rethink a way I could build in some sort of safety net.
1/12/2016 6:04 PM (edited)
Oh I see what you're saying, you're saying you lose any money you spend on a guy that doesn't result in you winning him.  So if someone spends $250 on Garnett and so do two other people, we all lose $250 permanently and have to bid again the next round.  Kind of like true recruiting.  Got it.

I was conceiving of it more as an auction, where you got back the money that was unsuccessfully bid.

I'll have to think about which way makes more sense.

1/12/2016 6:00 PM
only being able to use the first 4 (or 4 out of first 5 seasons with a redshirt) seasons of a player - What do you link or dislike about this?

I'll answer from my perspective, as it's the #1 thing holding me back at this point:  Many of the more interesting seasons to use are further in a player's career.  I'd much rather pick 4 seasons (consecutive or otherwise) to use than have to use the first 4.  Take Barkley, for instance... if I could choose, I'd go 86-87, 87-88, 88-89 & 89-90.  But under your system, I wouldn't have a shot at those great 89 & 90 seasons.  You'll never get Wilt's 67 season, Lebron's 09, 10, 12, 13 & 14 seasons, most of Jordan's best seasons, any of Worm's elite seasons, only one full minute Stockton, never get to Curry's mvp seasons, etc.  That's a total turnoff to me.  In the spirit of competition, it's something everyone faces, yes, but it lacks the "WHAT IF?!" punch I desire in a theme league.  I suspect NC7 has similar feelings.
1/12/2016 8:41 PM
Posted by shine06 on 1/12/2016 12:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ncmusician_7 on 1/11/2016 11:48:00 PM (view original):
Things I like about this concept:
Three eras of players
blind bids
only being able to use a player 4 seasons
no reason to tank

Things I don't like:
the 25% limit (and how ties are broken)
only being able to use the first 4 (or 4 out of first 5 seasons with a redshirt) seasons of a player
the specific years you are starting with, I think 59-60, 79-80, 99-00 would be better
Thanks for the feedback ncmisician

the 25% limit (and how ties are broken) -I would likely change the limit to 50%. Chances are both owners will not have the same amount to spend on the second rd. At this point it would be like a draft league where one team would win the draft lottery. How else could ties be done with out dragging it out or creating move overhead in running of the league? I know everyone wants all tools at their disposial to get every player they want , but if two owners spend all of their budget going after one player and one owner comes away with nothing wouldn't that hurt the league?

only being able to use the first 4 (or 4 out of first 5 seasons with a redshirt) seasons of a player - What do you link or dislike about this?

the specific years you are starting with, I think 59-60, 79-80, 99-00 would be better - I know we all want to start with the meat (Wilt/Bird/Magic era) But have patience we will get there. 


(1) If I place a bid on a player and don't get him (because of a tie-breaker or I'm outbid), do I get that money back?
(2) Take a look at the post by ashamael.  You're eliminating the primes of a lot of players.
(3) Prior to the 59-60 season, most of the player-seasons aren't particularly useful.
1/13/2016 1:08 AM
Posted by bmbigdog44 on 1/12/2016 3:21:00 PM (view original):
A question about long careers. I understand why Kareem isn't on the available player list since 75-76 is his 7th season. I assume he will be a freshman in the leagues 2nd season (76-77)? After competing for league seasons 2-5, will he appear as a freshman in year 80-81? And if this is true, you couldn't recruit him if you had him in league years 2-5?

Also, on the above question. What if you do lose all 12 players you bid on in round 1? Say you only went $250 on 1 guy, and spread your remaining $750 on 11 others. It just happens you lost all of them. Probably a rare occurrence but possible. I would assume you would be allowed a fresh list of 12 for round 2. It's not like getting a fresh list of 12 for the 2nd round would be a large advantage, you already lost out on your top 12 picks. After round 2, everyone including you can go after any available player.

BTW. I really like this concept for a theme.
My intent was only to have players available only the first four years of their career as that available list represents. With the feedback I have obtained I would change the rules the rule to where you recruit the first four years of a players career then they would return to the players pool and could be bid on again for the next for years of their career and so on. So All player season in WIS would be used. 

I would put it to a league vote to put in place a rule where if you had a player when he returns to the player pool you could not recruit him again. In round 2 you were not able to sign any players  (or even if you did sign a few) you would be able to go after any player you want from that point on. 
1/13/2016 3:07 AM
Posted by tarheel1991 on 1/12/2016 6:00:00 PM (view original):
Oh I see what you're saying, you're saying you lose any money you spend on a guy that doesn't result in you winning him.  So if someone spends $250 on Garnett and so do two other people, we all lose $250 permanently and have to bid again the next round.  Kind of like true recruiting.  Got it.

I was conceiving of it more as an auction, where you got back the money that was unsuccessfully bid.

I'll have to think about which way makes more sense.

That is the case you would get your money back to spend on other players, but by that point most of the good players would be taken if you tried to go all in on one guy. It might be better if i did some sort of staggered approach to rolling out players to be bid upon so all good players are not taken in the first or second rd.
1/13/2016 3:10 AM
Posted by grayfoxx on 1/12/2016 6:31:00 PM (view original):
Posted by shine06 on 1/12/2016 6:04:00 PM (view original):
Posted by grayfoxx on 1/12/2016 3:11:00 PM (view original):
????????????????????

Who do I bid on in round 2 if I lose all of my first round bids?
The player pool will be large so you will have a chance to bid on guys who have not been taken, but I may need to rethink a way I could build in some sort of safety net.
That is what I would expect, but your post says we can ONLY BID on the guys we bid on in the first round.
I will look at how the is worded again, but the first rd. you submit a list of players. the second rd. you bid only on those players from the list. After that you can bid on any player left.
1/13/2016 3:13 AM
Posted by ashamael on 1/12/2016 8:41:00 PM (view original):
only being able to use the first 4 (or 4 out of first 5 seasons with a redshirt) seasons of a player - What do you link or dislike about this?

I'll answer from my perspective, as it's the #1 thing holding me back at this point:  Many of the more interesting seasons to use are further in a player's career.  I'd much rather pick 4 seasons (consecutive or otherwise) to use than have to use the first 4.  Take Barkley, for instance... if I could choose, I'd go 86-87, 87-88, 88-89 & 89-90.  But under your system, I wouldn't have a shot at those great 89 & 90 seasons.  You'll never get Wilt's 67 season, Lebron's 09, 10, 12, 13 & 14 seasons, most of Jordan's best seasons, any of Worm's elite seasons, only one full minute Stockton, never get to Curry's mvp seasons, etc.  That's a total turnoff to me.  In the spirit of competition, it's something everyone faces, yes, but it lacks the "WHAT IF?!" punch I desire in a theme league.  I suspect NC7 has similar feelings.
After obtaining feedback, I would open up all player season. so the first time a player is available in the database you are bidding on only their first four seasons. Then that player would return to the player pool and you could bid on their next four seasons and so on.
1/13/2016 3:16 AM
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