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Spre was tough. Really ruined his rep with that gotta feed my kids crap .. and by owing the most back taxes in the state of minnesota!
8/23/2011 12:00 PM
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Posted by badja on 8/23/2011 11:02:00 AM (view original):
Walton is really a bench player here IMO.  He didn't have a season of over 2300 mins, and only 2 over 1500. 

Dwight is young, but has 6/7 solid seasons over 2800 mins and never missed any real time.  LeBron the same.

DWade barely makes the cutoff with 5 of 8 solid seasons.   Still, injury is a constant concern with him.

I think 3-5 prime years.    Durant for example is a great young player, but very green.  He does not have the mental toughness of an old vet yet. (Lebron could fall into this category as well).

For Grant Hill, a solid young player but with only 1-2 years in his prime.   That's why I did not take him earlier.
Not arguing that Walton won't be a part-time player many years but

He had 5 seasons over 1500 mins
and a 6th season at 1476 minutes.

And no matter the minutes he was mostly the same player when he was out there..
Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1974-75 22 POR NBA 35 1153 20.0 .553 .513 8.8 30.4 20.0 20.5 1.2 4.3       91 1.5 2.2 3.6 0.151
1975-76 23 POR NBA 51 1687 19.5 .494 .471 8.2 32.4 20.6 19.7 1.3 2.5       92 0.7 3.1 3.8 0.109
1976-77 24 POR NBA 65 2264 22.9 .563 .528 9.8 32.3 21.2 15.4 1.3 5.0       91 5.4 4.8 10.2 0.215
1977-78 25 POR NBA 58 1929 24.8 .554 .522 6.5 34.2 20.7 22.8 1.4 4.1 17.2 24.5 105 89 3.6 4.8 8.4 0.209
1979-80 27 SDC NBA 14 337 22.2 .525 .503 8.7 32.5 20.2 15.5 1.1 6.1 16.7 26.3 101 101 0.2 0.5 0.8 0.108
1982-83 30 SDC NBA 33 1099 18.0 .540 .528 7.2 27.9 16.7 14.9 1.4 6.3 19.6 18.9 101 103 0.6 1.3 2.0 0.086
1983-84 31 SDC NBA 55 1476 17.9 .570 .556 10.2 26.4 18.3 17.1 1.4 3.3 23.2 20.6 102 107 0.7 1.6 2.3 0.074
1984-85 32 LAC NBA 67 1647 17.8 .558 .521 11.7 28.1 20.2 13.0 1.4 4.6 22.3 19.3 102 103 0.6 2.7 3.3 0.097
1985-86 33 BOS NBA 80 1546 17.0 .606 .562 10.4 27.3 19.4 13.6 1.2 3.8 23.2 17.3 108 97 1.6 3.4 5.0 0.157
1986-87 34 BOS NBA 10 112 5.6 .429 .385 12.1 18.5 15.6 9.7 0.4 5.0 31.5 18.1 79 104 -0.3 0.2 -0.1 -0.047
Career     NBA 468 13250 20.0 .551 .521 9.1 30.2 19.8 17.1 1.3 4.2 20.6 20.6 103 96 14.7 24.6 39.3 0.142
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Player

DRB%
1. Bill Walton* 30.19
2. Swen Nater 30.08
3. Dennis Rodman* 29.57
4. Dwight Howard 29.13
5. Marcus Camby 27.64
6. Carlos Boozer 26.88
7. Tim Duncan 26.30
8. Dikembe Mutombo 26.20
9. Dave Cowens* 25.80
10. Kevin Garnett 25.72
8/23/2011 12:46 PM (edited)
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1500 minutes equates to barely over 18 minutes per game.  Since he did have 5 seasons at that level, that's how much I'll consider him playing.  Had he had less than 5 seasons at that level (like players such as Durant - the less than 5 seasons part), I'd reduce his contributions even more.
8/23/2011 12:47 PM
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In my mind when I am evaluating say Kevin Durant. That team has Durant on it for 4 years and then doesn't have durant for the rest of whatever time I'm considering (which for me I think is around 8 years). The rest of the time I have to weigh that team with Robert Horry starting at the 3. 1 of those season's of Durant's is his pretty bad shooting rookie year. So, those 3 years of Durant/MJ that team is a title favorite to me. The rest of the time they may still be contendors as Horry was very solid but I have to weigh them differently (and see the last pick).


Similarly, when I evaluate Walton over such a period I have a couple years in the high 20s, a few years at 18 minutes or so, and probably a missed season for injury or protest. So, those two higher minute Walton seasons the team is more of a contender than the years that Nance is starting at PF with Walton playing off the bench.

I think how people judge this is going to be subjective and different. Our only instructions are to weigh prime and longevity and possibly to consider a 5-10 year window.
8/23/2011 12:57 PM (edited)
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Walton's career = 4.5 years if he'd played 36 mins per game.

 

Player

DRB%
1. Bill Walton* 30.19
2. Swen Nater 30.08
3. Dennis Rodman* 29.57
4. Dwight Howard 29.13
5. Marcus Camby 27.64
6. Carlos Boozer 26.88
7. Tim Duncan 26.30
8. Dikembe Mutombo 26.20
9. Dave Cowens* 25.80
10. Kevin Garnett 25.72

This is not really accurate since we can't just take the best 4.5 years for all the other players on the list. 
Walton will have an amazing 20 mins per game in this league.
8/23/2011 12:58 PM
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Similarly swen nater played almost the exact same number of nba minutes.

My only point about Walton is that he wasn't a 1-2 year wonder (And to correct the statement that he only played 1500 minutes twice). He actually spread those minutes over a lot of years where he played part time. I drafted him for that 20 mins of dominance knowing I could get 35 minutes of quality later on (hi larry nance)

Anyway, enough Bill Waltoning haha! I
8/23/2011 1:04 PM
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Tue 8/22 Round 8
8:00 113  jayharvill  Lamar Odom
9:00 114  all3 Bill Laimbeer
10:00 115  steelers821 Dan Majerle
11:00 116  imahobbit Eddie Jones
12:00 117  xxevilivexx Swen Nater
1:00 118  logain Latrell Sprewell
2:00 119  sweg
3:00 120  badja
4:00 121  longtallbrad
5:00 122  ashamael
6:00 123  sappy
7:00 124  snydpie
8:00 125  garyman
9:00 126  dh555
10:00 127  malone9975
11:00 128  empdenied
8/23/2011 1:41 PM
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Posted by logain on 8/23/2011 12:57:00 PM (view original):
In my mind when I am evaluating say Kevin Durant. That team has Durant on it for 4 years and then doesn't have durant for the rest of whatever time I'm considering (which for me I think is around 8 years). The rest of the time I have to weigh that team with Robert Horry starting at the 3. 1 of those season's of Durant's is his pretty bad shooting rookie year. So, those 3 years of Durant/MJ that team is a title favorite to me. The rest of the time they may still be contendors as Horry was very solid but I have to weigh them differently (and see the last pick).


Similarly, when I evaluate Walton over such a period I have a couple years in the high 20s, a few years at 18 minutes or so, and probably a missed season for injury or protest. So, those two higher minute Walton seasons the team is more of a contender than the years that Nance is starting at PF with Walton playing off the bench.

I think how people judge this is going to be subjective and different. Our only instructions are to weigh prime and longevity and possibly to consider a 5-10 year window.
Also Horry was a better PF than SF as he wasn't quick enough to defend most SF's especially after the hip injury. The SF's in this league would take advantage of Horry! He would have his hands full with the PF's in this league also. Horry was an avg regular season player at best but was a clutch post season player. 

Dream was the great protector!

Rodman could play the 3's defensively but they seriously lack offense with Horry & Rodman on the floor at the same time. Neither can get their own shot or create for others especially when the shot clock is tickin down. Horry was an excellent wing passer to the post standing still though, just ask Dream! His entry pass was as good as any!

Horry & Rodman are both my boys though! High energy/hustle and great toughness for these skinny boys. They get in ur heads like Laimbeer, & Mahorn taught Rodman to do! Head Games! 
8/23/2011 2:36 PM (edited)
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-Laimbeer alert-

All current players who take dives and whine to refs should watch these! 

www.youtube.com/watch

www.youtube.com/watch
8/23/2011 4:56 PM
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we caught the clock.. sweg, badja, brad and ash can pick anytime
8/23/2011 4:59 PM
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Tayshaun Prince

6'9"  and can be put on guards and forwards.  He'll do as good a job as anyone slowing down the greats.  Decent offense with range. 
4 time all def team. 

8/23/2011 5:05 PM (edited)
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Definitely filling in cracks here.

Gerald Wallace.

He gives me yet another athletic, long-limbed defender.  He can play up to three positions in a pinch, although will see most time at small forward.  He adds rebounds, steals, blocks, and a few 3s.  While he's not a high-octane scorer, he's capable of an explosion every now and then. 
8/23/2011 5:25 PM
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Hey malone go to utube and watch Dream embarrace Robinson and then tell me Dream wasn't a post player! L M F A O! Seriously? F-ing unstoppable with his back to the basket! That is what a post player does but no one did it better than Dream! A few as good but none better. Plus he absolutely dominated games defensively!
8/23/2011 6:19 PM
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hmm
8/23/2011 7:01 PM
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Dale Ellis

8/23/2011 7:01 PM
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