you know i agree about the commenation also. i love mccarver, but i haven't listened to those 2 for a while...and they were way to analytical i think...my mom is a big fan, and said she didn't like the guys on t.v ( i had been listening while working to radio, and enjoyed valentine and orel immensely)...i thought kubek was great: honest and insightful, and joe was great and knew his baseball astutely...i thought kubek as good as you get...of course mr scully taught us the game, gl all