Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/19/2012 6:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/19/2012 3:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jiml60 on 5/19/2012 2:09:00 PM (view original):
The truth hurts, buddy, especially when you can't accept it.

Why is always whitey crying over the perceived "race card", just goes to prove Jensen's points further.

if you can find a way to counter Jensen's observations without crying about racism or the race card, I'll accept it, but your posting history is borderline racist at the least.

I accept that Obama being elected does not mean there are no racists in America. What it does prove is when large nubers of Americans are in a room with no one looking they will choose the best man, regardless of race.

Defending against racism is very hard. People like Jensen have made anyone claiming not to be a racist suspect.

The proof of racism gets a little odd. Things like the voter id laws are branded as racist, even though they treat everyone the same.

The main reason I find his ideas flawed isnt based on my beliefs, they are based on the lack of evidence on his part. In order for his ideas to be true, Ameerica must be a racist nation. We are by far the most racially diverse major nation in the world.

Did you miss my response Jim?

Posted by jiml60 on 5/22/2012 5:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/22/2012 2:42:00 PM (view original):
So you admit that you never had an accepted legal claim to the ladn until we offered land to you by treaty.

And what if the US hadnt claimed the land. Wouldnt another power from somewhere in the world who wasnt as nice as us come by and crush you like a bug? You did not have the ability to defend yourself by modern standards.

Arnt the natives better off now than they would have been?

I guess if you count being alive instead of massacred.

Posted by jiml60 on 5/22/2012 11:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/19/2012 6:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/19/2012 3:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jiml60 on 5/19/2012 2:09:00 PM (view original):
The truth hurts, buddy, especially when you can't accept it.

Why is always whitey crying over the perceived "race card", just goes to prove Jensen's points further.

if you can find a way to counter Jensen's observations without crying about racism or the race card, I'll accept it, but your posting history is borderline racist at the least.

I accept that Obama being elected does not mean there are no racists in America. What it does prove is when large nubers of Americans are in a room with no one looking they will choose the best man, regardless of race.

Defending against racism is very hard. People like Jensen have made anyone claiming not to be a racist suspect.

The proof of racism gets a little odd. Things like the voter id laws are branded as racist, even though they treat everyone the same.

The main reason I find his ideas flawed isnt based on my beliefs, they are based on the lack of evidence on his part. In order for his ideas to be true, Ameerica must be a racist nation. We are by far the most racially diverse major nation in the world.

Did you miss my response Jim?

No, just tired of responding to your idiocy.

Posted by greeny9 on 5/22/2012 11:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/22/2012 2:42:00 PM (view original):
So you admit that you never had an accepted legal claim to the ladn until we offered land to you by treaty.

And what if the US hadnt claimed the land. Wouldnt another power from somewhere in the world who wasnt as nice as us come by and crush you like a bug? You did not have the ability to defend yourself by modern standards.

Arnt the natives better off now than they would have been?

Quite, the natives are much better off now then they would have been.  The only thing worse would have been complete and utter extermination.  Amerika tried, but couldnt quite manage it.  Considering how many natives were living on the continent before Europeans starting killing them off.  Id say it was pretty much a massacre, what else could have happened that would have been worse?  lol Swampy, the US claimed the land?  how about England, France, Spain, and the Netherlands claimed the land.  All 4 countries had their hand in "taming" the land.

Posted by greeny9 on 5/22/2012 11:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/22/2012 2:42:00 PM (view original):
So you admit that you never had an accepted legal claim to the ladn until we offered land to you by treaty.

And what if the US hadnt claimed the land. Wouldnt another power from somewhere in the world who wasnt as nice as us come by and crush you like a bug? You did not have the ability to defend yourself by modern standards.

Arnt the natives better off now than they would have been?

Quite, the natives are much better off now then they would have been.  The only thing worse would have been complete and utter extermination.  Amerika tried, but couldnt quite manage it.  Considering how many natives were living on the continent before Europeans starting killing them off.  Id say it was pretty much a massacre, what else could have happened that would have been worse?  lol Swampy, the US claimed the land?  how about England, France, Spain, and the Netherlands claimed the land.  All 4 countries had their hand in "taming" the land.

Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/23/2012 12:22:00 AM (view original):

Posted by jiml60 on 5/22/2012 11:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/19/2012 6:35:00 PM (view original):

Posted by swamphawk22 on 5/19/2012 3:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jiml60 on 5/19/2012 2:09:00 PM (view original):
The truth hurts, buddy, especially when you can't accept it.

Why is always whitey crying over the perceived "race card", just goes to prove Jensen's points further.

if you can find a way to counter Jensen's observations without crying about racism or the race card, I'll accept it, but your posting history is borderline racist at the least.

I accept that Obama being elected does not mean there are no racists in America. What it does prove is when large nubers of Americans are in a room with no one looking they will choose the best man, regardless of race.

Defending against racism is very hard. People like Jensen have made anyone claiming not to be a racist suspect.

The proof of racism gets a little odd. Things like the voter id laws are branded as racist, even though they treat everyone the same.

The main reason I find his ideas flawed isnt based on my beliefs, they are based on the lack of evidence on his part. In order for his ideas to be true, Ameerica must be a racist nation. We are by far the most racially diverse major nation in the world.

Did you miss my response Jim?

No, just tired of responding to your idiocy.

Humor me this once.

Actually respond to my points.

Posted by seamar_116 on 5/23/2012 3:25:00 AM (view original):
You did a helluva job then without even trying. But I know that you mean by exterminate, like rounding  them up, removing them from the land they had lived on for centuries and put them in sub-standard living conditions, deny them citizenship rights, allow outsiders to peddle alcohol to them, and  forcibly remove their children and send them to schools for re-education....hey wait a minute.....

You mean like the ovens and gas chambers, right? But hey, they couldn't defend themselves so they got what they deserved....Swamp you are a Social Darwinist...a Socialist, if you will.

Posted by seamar_116 on 5/23/2012 3:25:00 AM (view original):
You did a helluva job then without even trying. But I know that you mean by exterminate, like rounding  them up, removing them from the land they had lived on for centuries and put them in sub-standard living conditions, deny them citizenship rights, allow outsiders to peddle alcohol to them, and  forcibly remove their children and send them to schools for re-education....hey wait a minute.....

You mean like the ovens and gas chambers, right? But hey, they couldn't defend themselves so they got what they deserved....Swamp you are a Social Darwinist...a Socialist, if you will.

Posted by stillsleepin on 5/23/2012 1:39:00 PM (view original):
Custer wrote a text book on attacking Indian tribes. He stuck to his method during Little Big Horn and was killed as he deserved to be. His method was based on attacking smaller eastern tribes. He advocated attacking the encampment full of women, children and elderly. He knew that if he focused his attention on the warriors, the women, children and elderly would naturally make their escape (who wouldn't?) Sherman said "the only good Indian is a dead Indian". These were men of their times with attitudes that probably weren't exceptional.

If the US was never entirely responsible for the extinction of a tribe, that's a technicality. I doubt it was from a lack of effort or a grand plan that said "don't kill 'em all".

The "they couldn't stop us" attitude strikes me as an attitude of the 80's. The 1880's.

If your neighbors are unarmed and you have an AK-47, is it ok for you to kill them? I mean, they can't stop you, right?

We battled the Canadians during the revolution and in 1812. They stopped us so we didnt conquer Canada. We battled the Indians and they couldnt stop us and we conquered their land.

I know this is tough on some poeple but the weak get swallowed up.

As I have said if we didnt take over their land, someone else would have,

And the fact that you think the idea of defending yourself is an outdated idea shows some bias.