How do you think SLB is still skewed/warped... Topic

Posted by davep on 5/14/2015 4:06:00 PM (view original):
The ballparks don't seem to matter much. When I load up with triplers & pick a favorable park; they don't get nearly as many 3B's as one would expect. The same holds true for doublers in what should be a favorable park for them.
Yeah, I've seen that too. I think they allowed batters' assumed speeds to be a factor in extra-base hits, but I'm not sure. But they did reduce the ballparks' XBH effects and they have not infrequently over-adjusted one thing or another (when they were not infrequently making adjustments, that is).

Edit: It may well vary by ballpark and by player (and the two in combination). Pitchers may also be a factor for all I know, in one ballpark or another. When all sorts of operations are brought together, I think the law of unintended consequences can be a bear. There may even be some mysteries of chaos theory that occur, I'd suspect.

5/14/2015 8:47 PM (edited)
The theme is getting there... It may become more than one, since I'm chatting it up with an SLB'er to be named later.
5/14/2015 7:18 PM
Having taken over a 60 win progressive team, making no significant changes to the roster, and seeing them win 100 games in the next season, simply by moving from Kansas City to Seattle, convinces me that ballparks matter and are being handled fine...

If you think ballpark 2B/3B effects aren't that significant, consider that that might also be the case in real life. The +/- numbers are relative on a 1-to-4 scale, and only the fact of being +/-/0 itself is truly absolute.
5/14/2015 9:05 PM
Unc, thanks, but while I don't have the figures, I've played triples hitters in Comerica and they hit significantly more triples on the road than at home, and in more than one season as I recall. At AT&T, I'm not having that issue.
5/14/2015 10:16 PM
One thing that confuses me is the range. To me it makes sense that speed=better range, mostly in the outfield. So I'm confused when I see a 93 speed outfielder with B range and then that 6 mil Elton Chamberlain that everyone uses has A+ range in the outfield and he has like 60 speed

EDIT: 59 speed PITCHER 1888 Elton Chamberlain has A+ range while 91 speed OUTFIELDER 1987 Tim Raines has only B range (Outfield range)
5/15/2015 10:54 AM (edited)
Well, they base range on actual total chances by innings played. Then, they make at least a minor, blankety attempt at adjusting this by era or by strikeout totals in a given season, or something.

Other things besides speed do come into play, such as getting a jump on the ball, quickness, placing oneself in the best place to begin with, precision in getting to the ball and catching it, fearlessness and coordination in discomforting and risky plays, nimbleness to release the ball after it's caught, throwing arm and accuracy....
5/15/2015 12:06 PM (edited)
Posted by frazzman80 on 5/14/2015 9:14:00 AM (view original):

The most major flaw I see in the sim is that players who are slightly fatigued aren't punished enough for being fatigued, even though it takes more than 10% of PAs/pitches to show fatigue in the first place. The fatigue curve should be harsher in order to incentivize people to play players at 100% and draft accordingly to do so. It's too easy right now to draft fewer than 5,000 PAs and 1,250 IP and play players who are slightly fatigued because fatigue effects aren't harsh enough from 92-99%.

If you are running a this as a theme league, you could have a rule where any player who appears in a game at 97% or lower results in a forfeit.

This would mean teams would have to draft an actual bench and more PAs/IP in general, provide off days for players and not designate players to be sacrificial lambs with 0/0 pitchers or throwing out fatigued 200k backups as a strategy. It would force owners to manage lineups early in the season to save players for the stretch run, making the game more realistic.

I agree with this.  I take great pains in ensuring I put out lineups with 100%.  I would like to see more negative effect for being below 100%.
5/15/2015 4:50 PM
I agree on penalizing tired players more.  I posted awhile ago about how little impact fatigue had on catcher defense:

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5/15/2015 5:21 PM
Yes, OF range is based purely on the underlying stats of the player involved.  Whether he is fast or not is irrelevant.  If his speed helps him to get to more batted balls in MLB, then that shows up in the record.  If it doesn't then there is no reason to adjust his range upwards for it.

Chet Lemon was not particularly fast - he had superb range.
Lonnie Smith was very fast - he had average to below-average range.
Billy North had both speed and range.
Greg Luzinski had neither.


5/15/2015 5:28 PM
Fatigue

As for the theme in process, I don't see the Commish being the Fatigue Police, but I could require a certain minimum of PA/162 and IP/162 in the draft. Any suggestions?

My guess is that this might improve fielder defense just a mite, overall.

(BTW, I'm really liking the idea I've cooked up for countering the "10%" batting bump.)

5/16/2015 8:53 AM
Luzinski had the beef brisket torso. If he could get to the ball, he could just put his chest and belly in front of it, then catch it on the rebound.
5/16/2015 8:58 AM
Posted by ArlenWilliam on 5/16/2015 8:54:00 AM (view original):
Fatigue

As for the theme in process, I don't see the Commish being the Fatigue Police, but I could require a certain minimum of PA/162 and IP/162 in the draft. Any suggestions?

My guess is that this might improve fielder defense just a mite, overall.

(BTW, I'm really liking the idea I've cooked up for countering the "10%" batting bump.)

Take the average PA/s and IP of all teams from MLB in 2014. That should be your minimums.
5/16/2015 2:45 PM
From BBR

2014 AL Averages: 6146 PAs and 1,453 IP
2015 NL Averages: 
6116 PAs and 1,454 IP
5/16/2015 2:49 PM
Posted by ArlenWilliam on 5/16/2015 8:58:00 AM (view original):
Luzinski had the beef brisket torso. If he could get to the ball, he could just put his chest and belly in front of it, then catch it on the rebound.
Just sharing but I believe Greg luzinski is the only major leaguer who won a world series and also won a hs state championship.... As a coach.... In football....in NJ
5/16/2015 3:12 PM
Posted by frazzman80 on 5/16/2015 2:49:00 PM (view original):
From BBR

2014 AL Averages: 6146 PAs and 1,453 IP
2015 NL Averages: 
6116 PAs and 1,454 IP
Thank you, Mr. Frazz. I do believe we will figure out a way to use those figures... probably just the NL figures since we won't be using the Despicable Hitter rule.
5/16/2015 7:19 PM
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