Osama Bib Laden: Rot In Hell!!!!! Topic

Yes, as a matter of fact.  They were celebrating the mass murder of 3000 innocent people.

Americans were celebrating (albeit overenthusiastically) the assassination of a mass murderer.



Not just any 'ol mass murderer - the one who (gloriously) took responsibility of the murder of said 3,000 innocent people

5/2/2011 5:53 PM (edited)
A lot of people letting out a lot of steam in their own way.  Everyone gets through it differently.  

The majority of people here (this is only my opinion of what I observed) were very quiet about it.  They used it as an opportunity to reflect on that day.   



5/2/2011 8:27 PM (edited)
I am not a Christian, but these quotes Kind of sum up my thoughts on the matter:

"The Roman Catholic Church responded to the news of bin Laden's death with this statement: 'Faced with the death of a man, a Christian never rejoices, but reflects on the serious responsibility of everyone before God and man, and hopes and pledges that every event is not an opportunity for a further growth of hatred, but of peace.'

'I think that's on the mark,' says Mike Hayes, a campus minister at the University at Buffalo. 'As a Catholic Christian, I cannot celebrate the death of anyone, especially when it is done violently. Naturally, my human nature fights against that idealism, especially when I think of those who I lost personally that day and all those who lost their life on 11 September."

5/2/2011 11:44 PM
according to his faith he is surrounded by virgins, he actually might be celebrating his death.
5/3/2011 9:33 AM
Posted by winnetka1 on 5/3/2011 9:33:00 AM (view original):
according to his faith he is surrounded by virgins, he actually might be celebrating his death.
That would mean that his faith was "right" and we are all condemned.
5/3/2011 3:42 PM
The thing I don't get is everyone acting like Bin Laden was gunned down by the US in "cold blood".  It's not like he threw out his hands and said "ok boys, slap the cuffs on me!"  There was no way he was going to let himself be taken alive.
5/3/2011 5:31 PM
Posted by zubinsum on 5/2/2011 11:44:00 PM (view original):
I am not a Christian, but these quotes Kind of sum up my thoughts on the matter:

"The Roman Catholic Church responded to the news of bin Laden's death with this statement: 'Faced with the death of a man, a Christian never rejoices, but reflects on the serious responsibility of everyone before God and man, and hopes and pledges that every event is not an opportunity for a further growth of hatred, but of peace.'

'I think that's on the mark,' says Mike Hayes, a campus minister at the University at Buffalo. 'As a Catholic Christian, I cannot celebrate the death of anyone, especially when it is done violently. Naturally, my human nature fights against that idealism, especially when I think of those who I lost personally that day and all those who lost their life on 11 September."

This.  Sounds.  Good.
5/3/2011 6:00 PM
You do what it takes to keep your loved ones safe from harm and, while never rejoicing in the killing of any man, you take quiet comfort in knowing they sleep a little safer tonight. 
5/3/2011 6:55 PM
Just as each of us who were afftected by 9/11 had to deal with it in our own way, so it is with this event.  For many, 9/11 is still an open wound, and if OBL's death helps bring those folks some measure of closure or peace within, then I think it's great. 

Personally, I don't believe most people are celebrating death per se, but rather a long, hard fought battle victory in an ongoing war.  If we are not permitted to celebrate a victory over those that would seek to destroy our nation and our loved ones, then that's carrying the PC thing a little too far.
5/3/2011 7:12 PM
 If we are not permitted to celebrate a victory over those that would seek to destroy our nation and our loved ones, then that's carrying the PC thing a little too far.


Well said.
5/3/2011 8:52 PM
Posted by bklynborn on 5/3/2011 8:52:00 PM (view original):
 If we are not permitted to celebrate a victory over those that would seek to destroy our nation and our loved ones, then that's carrying the PC thing a little too far.


Well said.
It is a free country no one id denied permission to celebrate.  What we debate is a personnal choice and or feelings about celebrating or not.
5/3/2011 11:14 PM
FWIW, thumbs up from the Dalai Lama...

latimes.com

Dalai Lama suggests Bin Laden's death was justified

Speaking at USC, the Buddhist spiritual leader says of the Al Qaeda chief's assassination: 'Forgiveness doesn't mean forget what happened.'

By Mitchell Landsberg, Los Angeles Times

May 4, 2011

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As the leader of Tibetan Buddhism, the 14th Dalai Lama says he practices compassion to such an extent that he tries to avoid swatting mosquitoes "when my mood is good and there is no danger of malaria," sometimes watching with interest as they swell with his blood.

Yet, in an appearance Tuesday at USC, he appeared to suggest that the United States was justified in killing Osama bin Laden.

As a human being, Bin Laden may have deserved compassion and even forgiveness, the Dalai Lama said in answer to a question about the assassination of the Al Qaeda leader. But, he said, "Forgiveness doesn't mean forget what happened. … If something is serious and it is necessary to take counter-measures, you have to take counter-measures."

It was, perhaps, an example of the Dalai Lama confounding expectations, something he appears to relish doing. The 75-year-old leader spoke on the first day of what was to have been a four-day trip to Southern California; he was delayed by two days when he fell ill in Japan.

Aides said he was forced to cancel appearances in Long Beach on Sunday and at UCLA on Monday because doctors had advised him not to attempt the long flight from Tokyo until he felt better. He had been in Japan offering condolences and support after the March 11 earthquake and tsunami.

He showed no ill effects when he took the stage at USC's Galen Center on Tuesday morning. Appearing robust and in good humor, he told the audience that he had suffered first from a sore throat, then from side effects of medication that made him "very faint."

"Today, I feel terrific," he said before putting on a red and gold USC baseball cap that fortuitously matched the colors of his traditional robes.

This was the Dalai Lama's first U.S. visit since stepping down recently as the day-to-day political leader of Tibet's government in exile, and his focus was largely on spiritual matters. He fled Tibet in 1959 as Chinese forces consolidated control over the country, and has lived in India ever since, frequently traveling the world in support of the Tibetan cause.

His speech at USC was titled, "Secular Ethics, Human Values and Society," a topic that was sufficiently broad to allow him to range over matters as diverse as the consciousness of animals, the strengths of India's multicultural society and the nature of happiness.

The Dalai Lama spoke about the importance of religious tolerance, and about the shared values of all major religions. But he said that people could not attain happiness through prayer, and that "this happy life is not a religious concept." Happiness, he said, is a secular concept, so "our aim is secular."

"I'm Buddhist," he said. "I respect religion. But I talk always about secularism."

The audience, which included some 3,000 USC students, responded to his message respectfully, even adoringly. Afterward, however, some complained that they had trouble understanding him; the Dalai Lama often speaks about thorny concepts in accented English, sometimes relying on a translator to fill in gaps.

Many others said they were inspired. And some spoke about the Dalai Lama in the sort of enigmatic terms one might expect of the Buddhist leader himself.

"I think truth is eternal, so we did not expect new truth," said the Rev. Cecil "Chip" Murray, a prominent African Methodist Episcopal pastor. "But I think we were reading the truth of him; therefore, the truth took on new meaning. He was metaphysical and physical."

On Wednesday, the Dalai Lama was scheduled to accept an award from Amnesty International in Long Beach and speak at UC Irvine before leaving California.

5/3/2011 11:31 PM
Posted by zubinsum on 5/3/2011 11:14:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bklynborn on 5/3/2011 8:52:00 PM (view original):
 If we are not permitted to celebrate a victory over those that would seek to destroy our nation and our loved ones, then that's carrying the PC thing a little too far.


Well said.
It is a free country no one id denied permission to celebrate.  What we debate is a personnal choice and or feelings about celebrating or not.
Zing!  haha

I figure most people know that I am using "permitted" in regard to what celebratory feelings are socially acceptable or socially permissable. 

However, many people are denied permission to celebrate in this country.  It depends on the time, place and manner in which you choose to do so.
5/3/2011 11:51 PM
Did anyone else find it interesting that the author of the article re the Dalai Lama referred to the act as "the assassination of" OBL?

While the definition of "assassination" varies to some degree, the generally accepted meaning is 'the sudden/surprise murder (which has a very specific legal meaning) of a socially/politically prominent person, typically for political reasons.'

That just hit me as odd.  Personally, I think to call this an assassination is to give too much credence to OBL, and it seems somewhat of a swipe at our government and military.
5/4/2011 1:51 AM
I noticed that.  Assassination has a negative connotation, and it means murder rather than killing.  I don't think of Bin Laden as murdered.  He was a terrorist who was shot and killed.  You wouldn't say, "In heavy fighting along the Rhine at the end of World War II, Allied troops murdered a hundred German soldiers and assassinated their generals."
 
Talk about the banal face of evil and the difference between perception and reality.  Whatever theories were floating around about Bin Laden holed up in a cave or wherever, not too many people would have guessed that he was living in a gated suburban mansion outside Islamabad with nine women, 23 children, a flock of pet rabbits and a driveway full of expensive SUV's.  The neighbors' main complaint seemed to be that they didn't donate to local charities.  Wonder if they mowed the lawn and had Sunday barbecues.
5/4/2011 4:51 AM
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